Joe Biden 2020 campaign megathread v3 (pg 45 - mass-dropout aftermath)

[Rookie Yinzer]

Black voters in places like Lancaster, SC don't care about any of this mess and will be selecting Joseph R. Biden on February 29.

Even if Biden wouldn't cut Social Security in the 2020s, it is another sign that he has poor judgement that he did seriously try to in the past, and shows he wouldn't stand up for progressive priorities as strongly as other contenders (in particular, Bernie).

The Senate controls the agenda which is why I've largely cooled off on my Biden hate. He will sign whatever the Democratic Senate sends him and unless he wants his party to be slaughtered in the midterm he will not cooperate with a McConnell-led Senate to cut Social Security. Some of the loudest critics are overreacting because it's the 4th quarter and Biden is still not down the way so many (including myself) hoped he would be. The attack is disingenuous and reeks of desperation.

[GeneralMacArthur]

Biden does not want to cut social security.  He never has.

The Sanders attack is, as could be expected, a massive disgraceful lie.

The 1995 quote is from the balanced budget amendment debate when Republicans were trying to slash spending everywhere but especially social security.  Biden wanted to rescue social security by freezing it instead of cutting it.

That's why the quote has him saying "freeze" instead of "cut." The Sanders team, famous for their love of nuance has been claiming that freezing is the same as cutting.  But in 1995, freezing was the polar opposite of cutting.

Sanders was in Congress at the time and certainly remembers watching these debates from the back bench.  He knows this is a big fat lie.  Yet he persists in the attack anyway.  Why?  Because he's a liar.  He's a dishonest politician.  Plain and simple.

[Ebsy]

If a benefit (such as Social Security) by statute receives annual increases corresponding to inflation, removing or lessening those increases is, effectively, a cut. This is not hard to understand.

[Lord Halifax]

Black voters in places like Lancaster, SC don't care about any of this mess and will be selecting Joseph R. Biden on February 29.

So what? SC won't matter if Bernie wins IA/NH/NV. Why are you so convinced the Deep South will decide this primary? If Bernie does reasonably well in TX and wins CA he'll be fine without the Deep South.

[Rookie Yinzer]

Black voters in places like Lancaster, SC don't care about any of this mess and will be selecting Joseph R. Biden on February 29.

So what? SC won't matter if Bernie wins IA/NH/NV.

Sure Jan.

[Lord Halifax]

Black voters in places like Lancaster, SC don't care about any of this mess and will be selecting Joseph R. Biden on February 29.

So what? SC won't matter if Bernie wins IA/NH/NV.

Sure Jan.

Stupid answer. Why do you expect SC to matter more than the three other early states combined?

[TrendsareUsuallyReal]

Black voters in places like Lancaster, SC don't care about any of this mess and will be selecting Joseph R. Biden on February 29.

So what? SC won't matter if Bernie wins IA/NH/NV.

Sure Jan.

He has a point though. If Bernie wins the first three contests (as is looking increasingly likely), he’ll probably get an ensuing bump in SC as well, as normally happens when winners of the early contest seize on the momentum. He probably won’t win it, but cutting down Biden’s win in SC from 40 points to 20 or less would go a long way.

[2016]

Sanders, please put that Biden Guy out of Political Business for good. That You!

[BP🌹]

answers that have little substance

hahahahahaha

[Ebsy]

https://twitter.com/MegKinnardAP/status/1220176895041581057

Supporter of welfare reform Joe Biden running into significant opposition in South Carolina's black community.

[ProudModerate2]

https://twitter.com/MegKinnardAP/status/1220176895041581057

Supporter of welfare reform Joe Biden running into significant opposition in South Carolina's black community.

One SC elected official says something, and it becomes "significant opposition in SC's black community."
K.
Please stop. You are better than this.

[Spark]

Meanwhile in Osage, Iowa... Joe Biden meeting with little girls and talking about ice cream.

Sounds like the man we need to save this country LOL.

[Spark]

This is such a bad faith attack on Biden. Even if he supported Social Security cuts in the past, he isn't going to now. The neoliberal era is over. Also, if Social Security is your issue, Warren has the most progressive plan, that expands benefits by $200 a month. This is a play for older voters and is a completely political attack.

Even if Biden wouldn't cut Social Security in the 2020s, it is another sign that he has poor judgement that he did seriously try to in the past, and shows he wouldn't stand up for progressive priorities as strongly as other contenders (in particular, Bernie).

Agreed. We would have two candidates who would cut entitlements.. Trump and Biden. Don’t know who is the lesser of two evils.

[Ebsy]

One SC elected official says something, and it becomes "significant opposition in SC's black community."
K.
Please stop. You are better than this.

So endorsements from minor elected officials were signs of his support in that community, but one of those same elected officials retracting her endorsements is not a sign of problems? I guess you just don't care to listen to women of color.

[Rookie Yinzer]

So endorsements from minor elected officials were signs of his support in that community, but one of those same elected officials retracting her endorsements is not a sign of problems? I guess you just don't care to listen to women of color.

No. His massive leads with black voters both nationally and in South Carolina were signs of support in the black community, and considering SC's black population is more rural than most other states, Biden's support here is probably understated. If I remember correctly Hillary over performed her polling average by 15, while Bernie under performed by 5.

[GeneralMacArthur]

Biden has, on his website, in plain English, that he wants to expand social security.

So if Bruce Reed is some sort of anti-social-security policy sleeper agent, wouldn't Biden be using his recommendations in his policy platform?

You guys just pick these unknown, minor people out of a hat to demonize, caricature, and build conspiracy theories around.  Biden has one of the Obama whiz kids on his team, and that whiz kid may at one point have advocated for cutting parts of social security, so that means Biden must want to cut social security.  It couldn't possibly be that this Reed fella is helping Biden with something other than a dastardly secret plan to kill social security.

Also, when I brought up the fact that like 75% of Bernie's campaign staff were Green Party hacks and pro-Russia sycophants in 2016, I was told that it doesn't matter what their positions were in the past, only what they're doing now on the campaign.  Are we now holding candidates responsible for every single policy position of every single staffer at any point in the last 12 years?

[GeneralMacArthur]

I looked up Bruce Reed and apparently he's a Rhodes Scholar who's been a policy expert for Democratic administrations and campaigns for nearly 30 years.  But yeah let's just demonize him as the second coming of Paul Ryan based on a quote in a screenshot that doesn't even have a source.

[free my dawg]

This man is a monster. Just absolute scum.

https://twitter.com/lhfang/status/1220080108469288965?s=21

Welp. Guess I was wrong.

[Landslide Lyndon]

These people think that Neera Tanden in the second coming of Margaret Thatcher, so allow me to take their characterizations with a handful of salt.

[Vaccinated Russian Bear]

This is such a bad faith attack on Biden. Even if he supported Social Security cuts in the past, he isn't going to now. The neoliberal era is over. Also, if Social Security is your issue, Warren has the most progressive plan, that expands benefits by $200 a month. This is a play for older voters and is a completely political attack.

...It literally is not! This is so deluded. The people who've staffed the Clinton and Obama presidencies are not suddenly going to go away or change their tune under a Biden Administration. If/when there's a recession under a Biden Administration there is a 100% chance that he'll try to cut a grand bargain deal with the Congressional GOP to gut Social Security and you'd have to totally clueless to think that the ideological blank slates that lead the Democratic Caucuses won't happily go along with it.

"If/when there's a recession"

Yes. There have been ~10 years of economic expansion, but you have to think carefully who you'd like to see in WH when the good days are over.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Too bad Biden is corrupted, as it seems, if he would of ran in 2016, he might have gotten away with it, but not in 2020, and hopefully he loses. Biden isnt Hilary due to fact Bill Clinton did way more as Biden did as Veep. Biden didnt do much as Veep anyways

[Epaminondas]

if he would of ran in 2016

is there a reason you write it incorrectly every third post?

[President Johnson]

Too bad Biden is corrupted, as it seems, if he would of ran in 2016, he might have gotten away with it, but not in 2020, and hopefully he loses. Biden isnt Hilary due to fact Bill Clinton did way more as Biden did as Veep. Biden didnt do much as Veep anyways

What the heck are you talking about? Joe Biden was a key player in the Obama Administration, who, with his longstanding connections to lawmakers, was entrusted with several negotiations on Capitol Hill to get things passed. He was also heavily involved in foreign and military policy, where Obama relied on his experience. The two major reasons he was picked for the job and his appeal to blue collar workers. The comparison with Bubba is kind of absurd, since he was the president while Joe was a loyal vice president who had no intention to overshadow his boss (and I'd argue Obama was a better president than Clinton on most issues besides foreign policy). And the "corrupted" stuff has already been debunked hundreds of times. It's a made-up story from Donald Trump and his crownies because they are afraid of him.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

The voters in NH are not standing for corruption and they're voting for Bernie. Obama wasnt perfect he had Benghazi which cost Hilary in her election and now Ukraine with Biden. Also, Black underemployment remained the same as it is now. Blacks still are underemployed.  That's why he lost seats in 2010 and 2014, due to things not being good enough

[Beet]

This is such a bad faith attack on Biden. Even if he supported Social Security cuts in the past, he isn't going to now. The neoliberal era is over. Also, if Social Security is your issue, Warren has the most progressive plan, that expands benefits by $200 a month. This is a play for older voters and is a completely political attack.

...It literally is not! This is so deluded. The people who've staffed the Clinton and Obama presidencies are not suddenly going to go away or change their tune under a Biden Administration. If/when there's a recession under a Biden Administration there is a 100% chance that he'll try to cut a grand bargain deal with the Congressional GOP to gut Social Security and you'd have to totally clueless to think that the ideological blank slates that lead the Democratic Caucuses won't happily go along with it.

"If/when there's a recession"

Yes. There have been ~10 years of economic expansion, but you have to think carefully who you'd like to see in WH when the good days are over.

If there is a recession when Bernie is president, progressive politics are finished anyway. If there's a recession when Trump or Biden are president, progressives can always distance themselves. In either case, recession will be poison for the incumbent's politics.