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« Reply #100 on: December 12, 2019, 09:13:16 pm »

Old School, I have to respectively disagree with you here. Yes, if Trump wins we could lose the Senate in 2022, but we would still have 2 more years before that would happen. Also, even if Trump loses, it does not mean Republicans keep the Senate as the Democrats could very well win 50+ seats in 2020 along with the Presidency. The executive branch is much more valuable than the legislative one and we can't let afford it to be lost. You also have to keep in mind that the Democrat isn't guaranteed to lose in 2024, and they could waltz to re-election if the wrong Republican is nominated.

Long story short, politics bounces way too much to plan for the future so it is smarter to just win when you can and not try to stress about what the result of the win is.
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« Reply #101 on: December 12, 2019, 09:19:18 pm »

Old School, I have to respectively disagree with you here. Yes, if Trump wins we could lose the Senate in 2022, but we would still have 2 more years before that would happen. Also, even if Trump loses, it does not mean Republicans keep the Senate as the Democrats could very well win 50+ seats in 2020 along with the Presidency. The executive branch is much more valuable than the legislative one and we can't let afford it to be lost. You also have to keep in mind that the Democrat isn't guaranteed to lose in 2024, and they could waltz to re-election if the wrong Republican is nominated.

Long story short, politics bounces way too much to plan for the future so it is smarter to just win when you can and not try to stress about what the result of the win is.


I would agree with anyone but Trump. The 2018 electon should have results in elections similar to 1978 which was minor gains for the opposition party but instead it was another 2010. This shows how weak Trump is , despite the economy(which i think an exit poll had nearly 70% thinking economy was good).

If you had Kasich or Rubio in the WH the Republicans would still have both houses today and their future in states like GA would be still pretty solid. Remember this if TX flips , its a disaster of epic proportions for Conservatism and the next decade following that election would be to conservatism what the 1980s were to liberalism , an utter disaster and Trump is causing TX to trend Dem at an alarming rate.


When you see trends like that its best you cut ties with the leader causing those trends before its too late

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« Reply #102 on: December 12, 2019, 11:29:51 pm »

What if we're in a position where we aren't huge on him, but dislike the left more, and think staying home is a better option but everybody I know says a vote for a candidate they hate is better than no vote at all so you might do it out of the idea of picking the one you dislike less
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« Reply #103 on: December 12, 2019, 11:44:58 pm »

Thereís a reason that Congress is Article I of the Constitution and the President is Article II.
Congress delegated enough of its power by now that the president is more powerful but not by much.
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« Reply #104 on: December 13, 2019, 03:55:39 pm »

What if we're in a position where we aren't huge on him, but dislike the left more, and think staying home is a better option but everybody I know says a vote for a candidate they hate is better than no vote at all so you might do it out of the idea of picking the one you dislike less
Exactly. Presidential elections are no longer popularity contests, but rather unpopularity contests. The voters pick their poison and have to choose the least-worse candidate, than the best candidate. It techincally means the same thing, but it is the mindset that is different nowdays.
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« Reply #105 on: December 13, 2019, 07:33:53 pm »
« Edited: December 13, 2019, 07:37:10 pm by Frenchrepublican »

Also if Biden wins but the Republicans still control the senate the leftist agenda will be blocked and heck even if they have 51 senators it will be blocked cause Manchin and Sinema wont go along with the leftist agenda .

LMAO, Manchin and Sinema would never cast a decisive vote against their own party on any major legislation. Youíre so naÔve itís almost cute.


Manchin wonít vote for bs like single payer , massive tax hikes , abolishing filibuster etc

Manchin is a populist, not a conservative.
It would not be very hard to convince him to vote for a wealthy tax or a 35% corporate tax rate, you have just to buy his vote by funding a big highway to nowhere in southern WV and the deal is done

Manchin is not a populist lol

Care to explain ? I mean itís not like if he was some kind of ííconservative, bow weevils southern democratíí . The dude voted against the ACA repeal and against the 2017 Tax reform, he is fairly friendly to labor groups.


McCain and Collins votes against the ACA repeal too , as that bill was horrible .

Also there is a huge difference between supporting ACA and Single Payer which Manchin has already ruled out of supporting and their is a huge difference between supporting pre 2016 tax code vs supporting type of tax code Warren or Bernie want

Well, yeah, but you donít disprove my point, sure he is not a communist like Sanders or Warren, I donít pretend otherwise, but not being a communist doesnít mean youíre a centrist either.

Manchin is a populist and there are few doubt that he would happily vote to increase the corporate tax back to where it was in 2016, maybe you donít care, but increasing the corporate tax by 50% is still a very left wing position, and letís be clear, if youíre a conservative you should not count on this fraud to save your ass
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« Reply #106 on: December 13, 2019, 07:46:45 pm »

Also if Biden wins but the Republicans still control the senate the leftist agenda will be blocked and heck even if they have 51 senators it will be blocked cause Manchin and Sinema wont go along with the leftist agenda .

LMAO, Manchin and Sinema would never cast a decisive vote against their own party on any major legislation. Youíre so naÔve itís almost cute.


Manchin wonít vote for bs like single payer , massive tax hikes , abolishing filibuster etc

Manchin is a populist, not a conservative.
It would not be very hard to convince him to vote for a wealthy tax or a 35% corporate tax rate, you have just to buy his vote by funding a big highway to nowhere in southern WV and the deal is done

Manchin is not a populist lol

Care to explain ? I mean itís not like if he was some kind of ííconservative, bow weevils southern democratíí . The dude voted against the ACA repeal and against the 2017 Tax reform, he is fairly friendly to labor groups.


McCain and Collins votes against the ACA repeal too , as that bill was horrible .

Also there is a huge difference between supporting ACA and Single Payer which Manchin has already ruled out of supporting and their is a huge difference between supporting pre 2016 tax code vs supporting type of tax code Warren or Bernie want

Well, yeah, but you donít disprove my point, sure he is not a communist like Sanders or Warren, I donít pretend otherwise, but not being a communist doesnít mean youíre a centrist either.

Manchin is a populist and there are few doubt that he would happily vote to increase the corporate tax back to where it was in 2016, maybe you donít care, but increasing the corporate tax by 50% is still a very left wing position, and letís be clear, if youíre a conservative you should not count on this fraud to save your ass


I have a question would you take this result a Dem winning in 2020 but Republicans keeping the Senate. Thats the ideal scenario in my opinion because if that happens , none of the 2017 tax reform bill will be repealed
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« Reply #107 on: December 14, 2019, 04:32:21 am »

Also if Biden wins but the Republicans still control the senate the leftist agenda will be blocked and heck even if they have 51 senators it will be blocked cause Manchin and Sinema wont go along with the leftist agenda .

LMAO, Manchin and Sinema would never cast a decisive vote against their own party on any major legislation. Youíre so naÔve itís almost cute.


Manchin wonít vote for bs like single payer , massive tax hikes , abolishing filibuster etc

Manchin is a populist, not a conservative.
It would not be very hard to convince him to vote for a wealthy tax or a 35% corporate tax rate, you have just to buy his vote by funding a big highway to nowhere in southern WV and the deal is done

Manchin is not a populist lol

Care to explain ? I mean itís not like if he was some kind of ííconservative, bow weevils southern democratíí . The dude voted against the ACA repeal and against the 2017 Tax reform, he is fairly friendly to labor groups.


McCain and Collins votes against the ACA repeal too , as that bill was horrible .

Also there is a huge difference between supporting ACA and Single Payer which Manchin has already ruled out of supporting and their is a huge difference between supporting pre 2016 tax code vs supporting type of tax code Warren or Bernie want

Well, yeah, but you donít disprove my point, sure he is not a communist like Sanders or Warren, I donít pretend otherwise, but not being a communist doesnít mean youíre a centrist either.

Manchin is a populist and there are few doubt that he would happily vote to increase the corporate tax back to where it was in 2016, maybe you donít care, but increasing the corporate tax by 50% is still a very left wing position, and letís be clear, if youíre a conservative you should not count on this fraud to save your ass


I have a question would you take this result a Dem winning in 2020 but Republicans keeping the Senate. Thats the ideal scenario in my opinion because if that happens , none of the 2017 tax reform bill will be repealed

Well, yeah a such scenario would be okay, not great but still better than a D trifecta. I think we would be better off with Trump being reelected and republicans keeping the senate, but yeah your scenario would not be too bad either.
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