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« Reply #75 on: December 11, 2019, 04:58:35 am »

This is basically a parody. A 80/20 Left/Right forum where the 20% right-wingers are already 15% NeverTrump and Kasich-type Republicans and 5% Trump-supporting. There is no need for this thread, you can already count genuine Trump-supporting Republicans on this forum on a hand.

This is one of the best posts of 2019, thank you! Yes, this forum is largely an echochamber that lacks more self-awareness than your nearest narcissistic diva.

Keep in mind that OSR is someone who treats Atlas in the same way he treats forums to post his Star Wars Lore opinions in. NeverTrump Republicans are the 'good guys' to cheerlead and hype up, and getting along with Democrats is a virtue to feel good about adhering to, even if they walk all over you.




Wait so someone who blindly supports one party over another is principled but someone like me who is saying no I wont blindly support a politician just because of party affiliation then that person is treating politics like some game. What type of upside down world is that

Also if Biden wins but the Republicans still control the senate the leftist agenda will be blocked and heck even if they have 51 senators it will be blocked cause Manchin and Sinema wont go along with the leftist agenda .


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« Reply #76 on: December 11, 2019, 05:01:41 am »

Also if Biden wins but the Republicans still control the senate the leftist agenda will be blocked and heck even if they have 51 senators it will be blocked cause Manchin and Sinema wont go along with the leftist agenda .

LMAO, Manchin and Sinema would never cast a decisive vote against their own party on any major legislation. You’re so naïve it’s almost cute.
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« Reply #77 on: December 11, 2019, 05:02:49 am »

Also if Biden wins but the Republicans still control the senate the leftist agenda will be blocked and heck even if they have 51 senators it will be blocked cause Manchin and Sinema wont go along with the leftist agenda .

LMAO, Manchin and Sinema would never cast a decisive vote against their own party on any major legislation. You’re so naïve it’s almost cute.


Manchin won’t vote for bs like single payer , massive tax hikes , abolishing filibuster etc
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« Reply #78 on: December 11, 2019, 05:14:22 am »

Sad to see you slowly melting into the Borg.

Vote for guy who openly wants to crush the poor with taxes to force them to live like he wants them to instead! How can you take yourself seriously?

You yourself acknowledge the GOP winning a third term is gonna be almost impossible in 2024, and that 2022 map is an absolute disaster for the GOP and that doenst include factors like the 6 year itch and a very proabable recession. So what will happen is The GOP by 2024 may be wiped out to near 2009 levels and unlike in 2009-10 there will be almost no blue dogs left to stop a far left agenda.

It's unlikely that the GOP will lose control of the senate in 2020. So three words: Supreme. Court. Vacancy.
Filling the likely vacancy will help us more in the long run than the hurt that will result from communists controlling the House and squandering this power for a few more cycles.

Not to mention all the other judicial vacancies there are still left to be filled.


Republicans already have the court now. If Dems though get the trifecta in 2024 with 57+ senators(I would say likely if Trump wins) then single-payer likely passes, green new deal, massive just massive tax hikes will all become law which is a far bigger disaster

What the hell are you smoking? If Trump wins re-election, we are probably looking at having 52 - 54 R senators + Manchin & Sinema. No way in hell 9-11 senate seats flip in 2022 -- zero of those seats are in blue states. A few would flip, but your prediction is beyond insane.




There likely will be a recession in 2022 so if Trump wins and say Republicans have 52-53 seats they will lose : PA, WI, IA, GA, AZ(if McSally wins) for sure and OH probably too since recessions hit states like OH very badly compared to the rest of the nation  . So that means they lose 6 and that drops Republicans down to 47 seats. Then in 2024 they probably lose TX, FL and some other surprise race and that drops them to 44. Ok so thats 56-44 and Dems probably then may well wipe the filibuster out and other than Manchin, Sinema , Tester well that passes and with a far left president well then so many things will get passed.

Dude, you're far too pessmistic

Look

2020 if Trump wins again : republicans lose CO but take AL and maybe MI, by January 2021 the Senate is 53 to 54 R versus 46 to 47 D

2022 under Trump : republicans lose WI + PA + AZ and maybe NC / GA but there is no way democrats defeat Portman, he is a very strong incumbent and Ohio has moved so sharply to the right than democrats won't take the seat with him (we are no longer in 2006) ; same thing with Florida, Rubio is a very strong candidate and FL is generally imune to national waves (see 2018) ; IA is a bit more complicated but if Grassley retires I think that Reynolds would probably be able to keep the seat for us
So in the worst case scenario by January 2023 the Senate is 52 D versus 48 R, but it could also be 51 R versus 49 D

2024 : I disagree, republicans are unlikely to lose FL, I mean Rick Scott defeated a popular incumbent democratic senator in D wave ! Hard to see how FL democrats who have basically no bench anymore flip back the seat, then you have WV and MT which are clearly flippable provided republicans target these seats serioulsy this time and of course Ohio will also be winnable for republicans. The only truely vulnerable seat for us will be TX, especially if current trends in the DFW area continue.
So by January 2025 the Senate would be in the worst (realistic) case scenario 48 R vs 52 D (democrats lose WV but take TX) but it could also very well be 54 R versus 46 D (Republicans keep the senate in 2022 and flip WV/MT and Ohio in 2024) with the most likely scenario being a 52 R vs 48 D Senate

But I don't see how you end up with a 57/43 D Senate majority, even if (unfortunately) red state democrats are still a thing, their numbers is diminishing
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« Reply #79 on: December 11, 2019, 05:20:26 am »

Also if Biden wins but the Republicans still control the senate the leftist agenda will be blocked and heck even if they have 51 senators it will be blocked cause Manchin and Sinema wont go along with the leftist agenda .

LMAO, Manchin and Sinema would never cast a decisive vote against their own party on any major legislation. You’re so naïve it’s almost cute.


Manchin won’t vote for bs like single payer , massive tax hikes , abolishing filibuster etc

Manchin is a populist, not a conservative.
It would not be very hard to convince him to vote for a wealthy tax or a 35% corporate tax rate, you have just to buy his vote by funding a big highway to nowhere in southern WV and the deal is done
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« Reply #80 on: December 11, 2019, 09:52:50 am »


There likely will be a recession in 2022 so if Trump wins and say Republicans have 52-53 seats they will lose : PA, WI, IA, GA, AZ(if McSally wins) for sure and OH probably too since recessions hit states like OH very badly compared to the rest of the nation  . So that means they lose 6 and that drops Republicans down to 47 seats. Then in 2024 they probably lose TX, FL and some other surprise race and that drops them to 44. Ok so thats 56-44 and Dems probably then may well wipe the filibuster out and other than Manchin, Sinema , Tester well that passes and with a far left president well then so many things will get passed.

If there is a recession in 2022, Trump will get blamed regardless.
If there is a recession in 2022, it only hurts his 2024 chances if there is a horrible long recovery like 2008. Reagan had a long recession in 1982 and it was his recovery that everyone remembered into 1984, not the recession. Reagan avoided a potential recession in 1987, which helped Bush 41 the next year get elected, though he screwed up his own reelection a few years later.
If there is a recession in 2022, it will be over by 2024 in any scenario and Trump will take credit. In that scenario some seats may be lost in 2022, but it won't hurt 2024.

In any event, you have no idea whether the next recession will be 2022, 2020, or 2030, so basing your vote on the timing of a variably cyclical event of the future is beyond foolish.
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« Reply #81 on: December 11, 2019, 10:17:40 am »
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Right wingers always have historically chosen fascism even against the most milquetoast leftists (just see them voting for Nazi Bolsonaro over Blairite Haddad in Brazil). Not worth it, you'll get 5 of them to vote for Joe Biden and no one else.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Fascism is a left-wing ideology. (And I don't care about the bull-#### definition from Wikipedia.) Mussolini was a communist and accepted fascism for practical purposes, but was still ideologically far left. Just because Hitler attacked communist Stalin does not make him right wing. The Democrats have always been more aligned with these ideologies than Republicans.

Three main ideologies that make up the Democrat party. (All the conservatives have been purged from the party years ago.)

Fascism is an authoritarian government controlling business. Therefore every time a new regulation is created or a new oversight division is added, that makes the government more fascist. Donald Trump's elimination of regulations and weakening of cabinet administrative powers is the opposite of fascism. Democrats have always pushed for more regulations which makes them more fascist. (along with some of George W. Bush's policies sadly) This includes people like Joe Biden and Barack Obama.

Communism is an authoritarian government controlling peoples well-being and livelihood. Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez policies, for instance. Nobody on the right aligns with these policies.

Socialism and progressivism is the same as communism with one key difference. The communists are honest about what they are trying to achieve. The socialists try to mask it with doublespeak so as not to offend people's natural tendencies towards freedom. This would be someone like Elizabeth Warren.

Nationalism is separate from any of these ideologies, but could be combined with any of them as they were in WW2 with practically every country that was involved in the war regardless of their other policies. You can associate this currently with Republicans to a greater extent than Democrats.

Imperialism is controlling and imposing your ideals and will on other nations. This is also a separate ideological class that could be combined with any of the first three, and to certain extent has existed in both major parties. Libertarians would be an example of a party that is opposed to any kind of Imperialism, except maybe in self-defense.
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« Reply #82 on: December 11, 2019, 10:24:26 am »

Right wingers always have historically chosen fascism even against the most milquetoast leftists (just see them voting for Nazi Bolsonaro over Blairite Haddad in Brazil). Not worth it, you'll get 5 of them to vote for Joe Biden and no one else.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Fascism is a left-wing ideology. (And I don't care about the bull-#### definition from Wikipedia.) Mussolini was a communist and accepted fascism for practical purposes, but was still ideologically far left. Just because Hitler attacked communist Stalin does not make him right wing. The Democrats have always been more aligned with these ideologies than Republicans.

Three main ideologies that make up the Democrat party. (All the conservatives have been purged from the party years ago.)

Fascism is an authoritarian government controlling business. Therefore every time a new regulation is created or a new oversight division is added, that makes the government more fascist. Donald Trump's elimination of regulations and weakening of cabinet administrative powers is the opposite of fascism. Democrats have always pushed for more regulations which makes them more fascist. (along with some of George W. Bush's policies sadly) This includes people like Joe Biden and Barack Obama.

Communism is an authoritarian government controlling peoples well-being and livelihood. Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez policies, for instance. Nobody on the right aligns with these policies.

Socialism and progressivism is the same as communism with one key difference. The communists are honest about what they are trying to achieve. The socialists try to mask it with doublespeak so as not to offend people's natural tendencies towards freedom. This would be someone like Elizabeth Warren.

https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasci14chars.html

These are the 14 characteristics of fascism. Tell me which of these describe Democrats.
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« Reply #83 on: December 11, 2019, 10:39:02 am »


https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasci14chars.html

These are the 14 characteristics of fascism. Tell me which of these describe Democrats.

While I reject his premise that most of these are fascist, but rather totalitarianism (which is both left-wing and right-wing), I will take a bite from your list based on the current state of the parties:

Democrats - #2, #3, #6, #13, #14 for sure.
Republicans - #1, #4,
Both - #7, #8, #9
Neither - #5, #10, #11, #12

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« Reply #84 on: December 11, 2019, 10:56:18 am »

I think that the democratic party would be better described as ''statist'' than as ''fascist''
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« Reply #85 on: December 11, 2019, 10:58:16 am »


https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasci14chars.html

These are the 14 characteristics of fascism. Tell me which of these describe Democrats.

While I reject his premise that most of these are fascist, but rather totalitarianism (which is both left-wing and right-wing), I will take a bite from your list based on the current state of the parties:

Democrats - #2, #3, #6, #13, #14 for sure.
Republicans - #1, #4,
Both - #7, #8, #9
Neither - #5, #10, #11, #12



How do the Democrats disdain human rights?

What scapegoats do the Democrats have?

How do the Democrats control the media

What rampant cronyism and corruption occur under Democrats?

What fraudulent elections have occurred under the Democrats?
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« Reply #86 on: December 11, 2019, 11:08:21 am »
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https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasci14chars.html

These are the 14 characteristics of fascism. Tell me which of these describe Democrats.

While I reject his premise that most of these are fascist, but rather totalitarianism (which is both left-wing and right-wing), I will take a bite from your list based on the current state of the parties:

Democrats - #2, #3, #6, #13, #14 for sure.
Republicans - #1, #4,
Both - #7, #8, #9
Neither - #5, #10, #11, #12



How do the Democrats disdain human rights?

What scapegoats do the Democrats have?

How do the Democrats control the media

Are you serious ? CNN/NBC/MSNCB/Washington Post/NYT ??

By the way how many newspapers endorsed Clinton in 2016 ? Ho many endorsed Trump ?

What rampant cronyism and corruption occur under Democrats?

Hunter Biden ? Speaker Madigan ? Blagojevich ? Clinton Foundation ? Solyndra ?

What fraudulent elections have occurred under the Democrats?
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« Reply #87 on: December 11, 2019, 11:27:48 am »

Communism is an authoritarian government controlling peoples well-being and livelihood. Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez policies, for instance. Nobody on the right aligns with these policies.

Socialism and progressivism is the same as communism with one key difference. The communists are honest about what they are trying to achieve. The socialists try to mask it with doublespeak so as not to offend people's natural tendencies towards freedom. This would be someone like Elizabeth Warren.
Nope. Socialism is an economic system in which the workers control the means of production. That's also true of communism, but communism also requires a stateless, classless society. Progressivism is another thing entirely.
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« Reply #88 on: December 11, 2019, 11:29:59 am »

Right wingers always have historically chosen fascism even against the most milquetoast leftists (just see them voting for Nazi Bolsonaro over Blairite Haddad in Brazil). Not worth it, you'll get 5 of them to vote for Joe Biden and no one else.
"Nazi Bolsonaro" is a hilarious idea.

Yeah, he is probably the most '' Israel friendly '' Brazilian leader in decades
Nazis and anti-Semites can definitely support Israel.
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« Reply #89 on: December 11, 2019, 11:32:11 am »

Right wingers always have historically chosen fascism even against the most milquetoast leftists (just see them voting for Nazi Bolsonaro over Blairite Haddad in Brazil). Not worth it, you'll get 5 of them to vote for Joe Biden and no one else.
"Nazi Bolsonaro" is a hilarious idea.

Yeah, he is probably the most '' Israel friendly '' Brazilian leader in decades
Nazis and anti-Semites can definitely support Israel.

Huh

Also, Bolsonaro is 100% not an anti-semite lol. He's a good President.
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« Reply #90 on: December 11, 2019, 11:39:55 am »

Right wingers always have historically chosen fascism even against the most milquetoast leftists (just see them voting for Nazi Bolsonaro over Blairite Haddad in Brazil). Not worth it, you'll get 5 of them to vote for Joe Biden and no one else.
"Nazi Bolsonaro" is a hilarious idea.

Yeah, he is probably the most '' Israel friendly '' Brazilian leader in decades
Nazis and anti-Semites can definitely support Israel.

Huh

Also, Bolsonaro is 100% not an anti-semite lol. He's a good President.
He's a fantastic president if you hate the gays, the Amazon and indigenous people, but I'm sure you do.

I don't know if he's an anti-semite, but Frenchrepublican (lol) implied that anti-semites can't support Israel. They can, particularly if they see it as a place to put all da Jooz so they don't have to deal with them. And of course, white nationalists in particular can see Israel as an inspiration for their desired ethnostate.
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« Reply #91 on: December 11, 2019, 11:42:05 am »


https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasci14chars.html

These are the 14 characteristics of fascism. Tell me which of these describe Democrats.

While I reject his premise that most of these are fascist, but rather totalitarianism (which is both left-wing and right-wing), I will take a bite from your list based on the current state of the parties:

Democrats - #2, #3, #6, #13, #14 for sure.
Republicans - #1, #4,
Both - #7, #8, #9
Neither - #5, #10, #11, #12



By going after and attacking people for their religious beliefs; trying to force them to be punished if they do not go against their religious beliefs. Fortunately the Supreme Court at least recognizes this for now.

ie. Sisters of Mercy, Jack Phillips (baker)

Organizing boycotts of Christian businesses and organizations or businesses who donated to a conservative politician.

ie. Chick-Fil-A

Organizing campaigns to get people fired for having an opposing viewpoint.


Russia, any GOP politician, anyone wearing a MAGA hat, any black conservative spokesperson.


Pretty much every media outlet except for Fox News, talk radio and a few internet sites.

What rampant cronyism and corruption occur under Democrats?

Frenchrepublican already answered this.

What fraudulent elections have occurred under the Democrats?

Voter fraud - Opposing Real ID act, opposing removing dead people from voter roles, voting twice across precinct or state lines. Voter intimidation (Black Panthers, and going back in history, southern Democrats, KKK)
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« Reply #92 on: December 11, 2019, 12:17:08 pm »


https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasci14chars.html

These are the 14 characteristics of fascism. Tell me which of these describe Democrats.

While I reject his premise that most of these are fascist, but rather totalitarianism (which is both left-wing and right-wing), I will take a bite from your list based on the current state of the parties:

Democrats - #2, #3, #6, #13, #14 for sure.
Republicans - #1, #4,
Both - #7, #8, #9
Neither - #5, #10, #11, #12



By going after and attacking people for their religious beliefs; trying to force them to be punished if they do not go against their religious beliefs. Fortunately the Supreme Court at least recognizes this for now.

ie. Sisters of Mercy, Jack Phillips (baker)

Organizing boycotts of Christian businesses and organizations or businesses who donated to a conservative politician.

ie. Chick-Fil-A

Organizing campaigns to get people fired for having an opposing viewpoint.


Russia, any GOP politician, anyone wearing a MAGA hat, any black conservative spokesperson.


Pretty much every media outlet except for Fox News, talk radio and a few internet sites.

What rampant cronyism and corruption occur under Democrats?

Frenchrepublican already answered this.

What fraudulent elections have occurred under the Democrats?

Voter fraud - Opposing Real ID act, opposing removing dead people from voter roles, voting twice across precinct or state lines. Voter intimidation (Black Panthers, and going back in history, southern Democrats, KKK)

If all those things make Democrats fascist, then surely, you agree that, through the anti-Semetic and Islamophobic rhetoric, advocation of torture, proposed stripping US citizens of their rights, using Hispanics and Muslims as scapegoats, criticism of the free press, cronyism and corruption of the Trump administration, voter suppression, and voter fraud, that the GOP is fascist.
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« Reply #93 on: December 11, 2019, 12:50:09 pm »

Also if Biden wins but the Republicans still control the senate the leftist agenda will be blocked and heck even if they have 51 senators it will be blocked cause Manchin and Sinema wont go along with the leftist agenda .

LMAO, Manchin and Sinema would never cast a decisive vote against their own party on any major legislation. You’re so naïve it’s almost cute.


Manchin won’t vote for bs like single payer , massive tax hikes , abolishing filibuster etc

Manchin is a populist, not a conservative.
It would not be very hard to convince him to vote for a wealthy tax or a 35% corporate tax rate, you have just to buy his vote by funding a big highway to nowhere in southern WV and the deal is done

Manchin is not a populist lol
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« Reply #94 on: December 11, 2019, 01:32:03 pm »

Also if Biden wins but the Republicans still control the senate the leftist agenda will be blocked and heck even if they have 51 senators it will be blocked cause Manchin and Sinema wont go along with the leftist agenda .

LMAO, Manchin and Sinema would never cast a decisive vote against their own party on any major legislation. You’re so naïve it’s almost cute.


Manchin won’t vote for bs like single payer , massive tax hikes , abolishing filibuster etc

Manchin is a populist, not a conservative.
It would not be very hard to convince him to vote for a wealthy tax or a 35% corporate tax rate, you have just to buy his vote by funding a big highway to nowhere in southern WV and the deal is done

Manchin is not a populist lol

Care to explain ? I mean it’s not like if he was some kind of ’’conservative, bow weevils southern democrat’’ . The dude voted against the ACA repeal and against the 2017 Tax reform, he is fairly friendly to labor groups.
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« Reply #95 on: December 11, 2019, 01:44:00 pm »
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If all those things make Democrats fascist, then surely, you agree that, through the anti-Semetic and Islamophobic rhetoric, advocation of torture, proposed stripping US citizens of their rights, using Hispanics and Muslims as scapegoats, criticism of the free press, cronyism and corruption of the Trump administration, voter suppression, and voter fraud, that the GOP is fascist.

First off, I didn't agree that those things made you fascist. That was your list. In fact I think that the only items on that list at all related to fascism are #2, #6, #8, #9, & #13. The other 9 are symptoms of society that are the eventual result of the implementation of fascism.

1.) I have seen no evidence that the GOP or Trump is anti-Semetic. If anything he is the opposite.
2.) It is not Islamophobic or anti-Hispanic to want to enforce the border.
3.) What rights have been stripped from US citizens? It is the Democrats that want to strip the right of free speech (unless it fits with their dogma), the right to bear arms (unless it's to protect a congressman), the right to free practice of religion (unless it doesn't offend a liberal).
4.) Criticism of a free press is free speech, just like the press is free to criticize the president and people who support him at every turn.
5.) What corruption? Do you mean investigating the corruption that Biden admitted to on camera, which is what they are criticizing Trump for, which is the definition of a scapegoat?
6.) What voter suppression? Do you mean restricting the rights of non-citizens to vote based on the constitution, or creating laws so people don't vote twice or in other people's name?
7.) I'll give you cronyism item. That's a figment of every party and every person who's ever been elected to office.
8.) Everyone I've ever seen be arrested for voter fraud in my lifetime has been a Democrat.
9.) The GOP is not fascist. They attempt to remove barriers to freedom. The Democrats seek to add them.
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« Reply #96 on: December 11, 2019, 01:55:28 pm »

Truthfully, I just think you have a vastly different definition of what it means to be a conservative than the vast majority of conservatives in this nation and the world at large.
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« Reply #97 on: December 11, 2019, 02:04:03 pm »

Also if Biden wins but the Republicans still control the senate the leftist agenda will be blocked and heck even if they have 51 senators it will be blocked cause Manchin and Sinema wont go along with the leftist agenda .

LMAO, Manchin and Sinema would never cast a decisive vote against their own party on any major legislation. You’re so naïve it’s almost cute.


Manchin won’t vote for bs like single payer , massive tax hikes , abolishing filibuster etc

Manchin is a populist, not a conservative.
It would not be very hard to convince him to vote for a wealthy tax or a 35% corporate tax rate, you have just to buy his vote by funding a big highway to nowhere in southern WV and the deal is done

Manchin is not a populist lol

Care to explain ? I mean it’s not like if he was some kind of ’’conservative, bow weevils southern democrat’’ . The dude voted against the ACA repeal and against the 2017 Tax reform, he is fairly friendly to labor groups.


McCain and Collins votes against the ACA repeal too , as that bill was horrible .

Also there is a huge difference between supporting ACA and Single Payer which Manchin has already ruled out of supporting and their is a huge difference between supporting pre 2016 tax code vs supporting type of tax code Warren or Bernie want
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« Reply #98 on: December 11, 2019, 03:30:35 pm »

Right wingers always have historically chosen fascism even against the most milquetoast leftists (just see them voting for Nazi Bolsonaro over Blairite Haddad in Brazil). Not worth it, you'll get 5 of them to vote for Joe Biden and no one else.
"Nazi Bolsonaro" is a hilarious idea.

Yeah, he is probably the most '' Israel friendly '' Brazilian leader in decades
Nazis and anti-Semites can definitely support Israel.

Huh

Also, Bolsonaro is 100% not an anti-semite lol. He's a good President.
He's a fantastic president if you hate the gays, the Amazon and indigenous people, but I'm sure you do.

I don't know if he's an anti-semite, but Frenchrepublican (lol) implied that anti-semites can't support Israel. They can, particularly if they see it as a place to put all da Jooz so they don't have to deal with them. And of course, white nationalists in particular can see Israel as an inspiration for their desired ethnostate.

Don't hate any of them, but I do support much needed pension reform and opening up Brazil for economic growth (instead of more dumb red tape).
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« Reply #99 on: December 12, 2019, 07:17:05 am »

There’s a reason that Congress is Article I of the Constitution and the President is Article II.
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