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« on: December 08, 2019, 10:56:02 pm »

I get why you want to support Trump as even though I have been a Never Trumper from day 1, there have been many times I have considered leaving that Never Trump Train .

Yes I like many of his policies such as : Taxes  , Regulations, his economic policy in general, China, Judges and despise the direction the Democratic Party is going. So if I was just voting on policy, yes I would vote for Trump in 2020. So despite that I believe conservatives should not vote for Trump in 2020 and these are the reasons

1. His behavior has utterly disgraced the office of President of the United States in every way possible and now to add insult to injury over the past few months he has openly made it clear he believes he is above the law.

If you are a principled conservative that alone should disqualify them alone from getting your vote as that violates every basic conservative principle possible. Now if this isnt enough (which it should be) here is the political reason why you shouldnt support Trump in 2020


2. Imagine 2022 and 2024 in a Trump reelection

2022 and 2024 are very likely going to be bloodbaths for the GOP during Trump's 2nd term as there very likely will be a recession in that time period , Trump fatigue will be at all time levels. So if you are scared of a Democratic Presidency now imagine after 2024 when Dems win the Presidency in a 2008 style victory with massive majorities in Congress. That means with those majorities single-payer, massive tax hikes , amnesty etc will pass easily as unlike 2009-10 there are basically no blue dogs left and history has showsn when new programs are created its almost impossible to repeal them. Right now yes a Dem will win will move the nation to the left but they wont have the majoirty to pass the  far left agenda .

Oh and add Texas could be lost for the GOP in 2024 after 8 years of Trump which will throw the party wilderness for many years so tell me what has Trump done that will be worth all this. Now I am sure you would all agree that Bush winning a 2nd term in 2004 wasnt worth it




1. Socialism is worse. Even Biden supports a public option, which would be another disastrous entitlement program, bankrupt many insurers and hospitals, and throw tons of people off their healthcare plans (healthcare becomes less of a perk when it can also be gotten free, so businesses would stop offering it). Plus, it'd put too many lives into the hands of government and expand the role of government too much. People fail to talk about this, but even Biden would raise taxes by a trillion + more than Clinton would have, and I didn't vote for her either.

2. Yes, and this is all a major worry to me. But he's the only credible choice for my values, so I'm sticking with him. Better dead than red isn't just a slogan.

3. It was worth it. Bush 04 was a good thing - it was what happened after that wasn't.
Literally sums up everything wrong with you guys. So “socialism”  and “entitlement” is a fundamental threat to democracy but Trump undermining the rule of law along with checks and balances isn’t? Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? Practically ever other western democracy from Canada, Britain, France, Germany, and the Scandinavias elect socialists into power all the time along with having a bigger nanny state then us and they are mostly healthy democracies. The idea that mainstream liberal positions on healthcare and welfare you think is more dangerous than Trump’s conduct shows how off the spectrum your ideological movement has gone
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Hindsight is 2020
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« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2019, 11:14:10 pm »

I get why you want to support Trump as even though I have been a Never Trumper from day 1, there have been many times I have considered leaving that Never Trump Train .

Yes I like many of his policies such as : Taxes  , Regulations, his economic policy in general, China, Judges and despise the direction the Democratic Party is going. So if I was just voting on policy, yes I would vote for Trump in 2020. So despite that I believe conservatives should not vote for Trump in 2020 and these are the reasons

1. His behavior has utterly disgraced the office of President of the United States in every way possible and now to add insult to injury over the past few months he has openly made it clear he believes he is above the law.

If you are a principled conservative that alone should disqualify them alone from getting your vote as that violates every basic conservative principle possible. Now if this isnt enough (which it should be) here is the political reason why you shouldnt support Trump in 2020


2. Imagine 2022 and 2024 in a Trump reelection

2022 and 2024 are very likely going to be bloodbaths for the GOP during Trump's 2nd term as there very likely will be a recession in that time period , Trump fatigue will be at all time levels. So if you are scared of a Democratic Presidency now imagine after 2024 when Dems win the Presidency in a 2008 style victory with massive majorities in Congress. That means with those majorities single-payer, massive tax hikes , amnesty etc will pass easily as unlike 2009-10 there are basically no blue dogs left and history has showsn when new programs are created its almost impossible to repeal them. Right now yes a Dem will win will move the nation to the left but they wont have the majoirty to pass the  far left agenda .

Oh and add Texas could be lost for the GOP in 2024 after 8 years of Trump which will throw the party wilderness for many years so tell me what has Trump done that will be worth all this. Now I am sure you would all agree that Bush winning a 2nd term in 2004 wasnt worth it




1. Socialism is worse. Even Biden supports a public option, which would be another disastrous entitlement program, bankrupt many insurers and hospitals, and throw tons of people off their healthcare plans (healthcare becomes less of a perk when it can also be gotten free, so businesses would stop offering it). Plus, it'd put too many lives into the hands of government and expand the role of government too much. People fail to talk about this, but even Biden would raise taxes by a trillion + more than Clinton would have, and I didn't vote for her either.

2. Yes, and this is all a major worry to me. But he's the only credible choice for my values, so I'm sticking with him. Better dead than red isn't just a slogan.

3. It was worth it. Bush 04 was a good thing - it was what happened after that wasn't.
Literally sums up everything wrong with you guys. So “socialism”  and “entitlement” is a fundamental threat to democracy but Trump undermining the rule of law along with checks and balances isn’t? Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? Practically ever other western democracy from Canada, Britain, France, Germany, and the Scandinavias elect socialists into power all the time along with having a bigger nanny state then us and they are mostly healthy democracies. The idea that mainstream liberal positions on healthcare and welfare you think is more dangerous than Trump’s conduct shows how off the spectrum your ideological movement has gone

It's a much bigger one, and yes. As Alex Tocqueville once said, America will endure until the day Congress discovers it can bribe us with our own money. And besides, the fact that I wouldn't want Trump to babysit my family won't ever justify robbing those who work hard to pay for the takers and gimmes of this world.
Again that’s ridiculous. The rest of the Western world has completely debunked your insane notions. Also that last sentence is just a good reminder of what Scrounges your party 
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