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« Reply #275 on: December 12, 2019, 06:21:11 PM »

Well.... it finally happened with Corbyn what people predicted would happened last time around. In 2017 he got lucky.
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« Reply #276 on: December 12, 2019, 06:21:51 PM »

Boris Johnson could also surpass John Major' 1992 record vote total of 14,093,007 in this election.
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« Reply #277 on: December 12, 2019, 06:22:25 PM »

If the actual counts bear this out, it does indeed look as though British voting patterns are moving closer towards those of the US & Canada - a stronger urban/rural divide, with wealthy urban & suburban areas going left while blue-collar areas go right.

Certainly Sedgefield & Bolsover voting Tory while Kensington & London go Labour more closely resembles American (post-1990s) & Canadian (post-1950s) results than British ones of the last hundred years.
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« Reply #278 on: December 12, 2019, 06:24:53 PM »

If the actual counts bear this out, it does indeed look as though British voting patterns are moving closer towards those of the US & Canada - a stronger urban/rural divide, with wealthy urban & suburban areas going left while blue-collar areas go right.

Certainly Sedgefield & Bolsover voting Tory while Kensington & London go Labour more closely resembles American (post-1990s) & Canadian (post-1950s) results than British ones of the last hundred years.
Same in Italy btw
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« Reply #279 on: December 12, 2019, 06:24:57 PM »

If the actual counts bear this out, it does indeed look as though British voting patterns are moving closer towards those of the US & Canada - a stronger urban/rural divide, with wealthy urban & suburban areas going left while blue-collar areas go right.

Certainly Sedgefield & Bolsover voting Tory while Kensington & London go Labour more closely resembles American (post-1990s) & Canadian (post-1950s) results than British ones of the last hundred years.

It seems like Canada is more regional still than anything else, with Conservatives dominating out West but Libs dominating in Ontario and the Atlantic while Quebec being more like Scotland.
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« Reply #280 on: December 12, 2019, 06:26:12 PM »

Possibly. More likely it's Labour voters being so put off by Corbyn they are voting Conservative.  The working class Labour voter can be pretty right wing on some issues such as crime and foreign policy.

Also, be interesting to see what happens in Dagenham and Rainham; the rather young Tory leader of Havering Council is up against Labour Leaver Jon Cruddas. That could be close.
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« Reply #281 on: December 12, 2019, 06:26:36 PM »

If the actual counts bear this out, it does indeed look as though British voting patterns are moving closer towards those of the US & Canada - a stronger urban/rural divide, with wealthy urban & suburban areas going left while blue-collar areas go right.

Certainly Sedgefield & Bolsover voting Tory while Kensington & London go Labour more closely resembles American (post-1990s) & Canadian (post-1950s) results than British ones of the last hundred years.

It's still to early to assume it'll be a long term trend. If Boris presses forward DC's plan of cutting down the number of constituencies to 600 the electoral map will change significantly in favor of the Conservative Party.
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« Reply #282 on: December 12, 2019, 06:27:11 PM »

It looks very much like the landslide 2017 was going to be. Outside London, I suspect we're looking at a 1920s/30s style Conservative landslide - different areas holding out, of course, but this is a very different world. This was always a possibility: Johnson is not popular, but Corbyn has been for several years the most detested politician in the country.

But as to the future: beware! The British electorate is now extremely volatile and the issues that the next election will be fought over will not be the same as this. Or if they are, they will themselves have changed along the way. And the electorate will respond differently.
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« Reply #283 on: December 12, 2019, 06:27:28 PM »

If the actual counts bear this out, it does indeed look as though British voting patterns are moving closer towards those of the US & Canada - a stronger urban/rural divide, with wealthy urban & suburban areas going left while blue-collar areas go right.

Certainly Sedgefield & Bolsover voting Tory while Kensington & London go Labour more closely resembles American (post-1990s) & Canadian (post-1950s) results than British ones of the last hundred years.
The issue is that the UK Center Left vote is split, whereas the right wing vote is unified. In this analogy, this election is like the USA's 2016 election, and in the next election, the Home Counties all flip center-left while Labour continues to crater in the North. This means Labour has to go back to the Blair (or at least Milliband) days with the Lib Dems cratering so as to win in places like Surrey and Southwest London, or some Lab-Lib agreement has to be worked out. Regardless, Labour cannot count on economic leftism coupled with wavering on other issues to carry them forward in the future.
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« Reply #284 on: December 12, 2019, 06:27:33 PM »

If the actual counts bear this out, it does indeed look as though British voting patterns are moving closer towards those of the US & Canada - a stronger urban/rural divide, with wealthy urban & suburban areas going left while blue-collar areas go right.

Certainly Sedgefield & Bolsover voting Tory while Kensington & London go Labour more closely resembles American (post-1990s) & Canadian (post-1950s) results than British ones of the last hundred years.

It seems like Canada is more regional still than anything else, with Conservatives dominating out West but Libs dominating in Ontario and the Atlantic while Quebec being more like Scotland.


Though the SNP generally Lacks the Bloc quebecois racist streak
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« Reply #285 on: December 12, 2019, 06:28:09 PM »

If national numbers end up around 44-32, then this isn't really that surprising in that it is somewhere around the higher range of expected margin, with several polls predicting something like that or close to it.
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« Reply #286 on: December 12, 2019, 06:28:10 PM »

Not much change in Newcastle Central

Tories on 9k there last election
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« Reply #287 on: December 12, 2019, 06:28:19 PM »

Labour hold Newcastle Central.
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« Reply #288 on: December 12, 2019, 06:28:24 PM »

Newcastle Central
Lab - 21,568 - 57.55%
Con - 9,290 - 24.79%
Lib - 2,709 - 7.23%
Brx - 2,542 - 6.78%
Grn - 1,365 - 3.64%

Swing - 3.75% from Lab to Con
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« Reply #289 on: December 12, 2019, 06:28:28 PM »

So the Newcastle won.
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« Reply #290 on: December 12, 2019, 06:29:06 PM »

If the actual counts bear this out, it does indeed look as though British voting patterns are moving closer towards those of the US & Canada - a stronger urban/rural divide, with wealthy urban & suburban areas going left while blue-collar areas go right.

Certainly Sedgefield & Bolsover voting Tory while Kensington & London go Labour more closely resembles American (post-1990s) & Canadian (post-1950s) results than British ones of the last hundred years.

It seems like Canada is more regional still than anything else, with Conservatives dominating out West but Libs dominating in Ontario and the Atlantic while Quebec being more like Scotland.


That's true too; Prairie cities still go Tory, but plush ridings in other big urban areas in the West, East & Quebec - think Quadra, Mount Royal, Rosedale and so forth - have been strongly Liberal for a long time. Put it another way: the 'old money' areas are Liberal, while the 'new money' places are Conservative.
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« Reply #291 on: December 12, 2019, 06:30:20 PM »

CON not gaining that much but BXP eating into LAB vote.
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« Reply #292 on: December 12, 2019, 06:30:22 PM »

Houghton and Sunderland South - Lab HOLD - 10.96% swing from Lab to Con
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« Reply #293 on: December 12, 2019, 06:30:38 PM »

Labour down 9k votes in Sunderland from 2017. Looks to be largely from Brexit voters not to the Tories.
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« Reply #294 on: December 12, 2019, 06:30:56 PM »

Houghton & Sunderland South: LAB wins but down 18.7%. BBC said it's "in line with the exit poll."
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« Reply #295 on: December 12, 2019, 06:31:40 PM »

Blyth picked up by Tories.
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« Reply #296 on: December 12, 2019, 06:32:00 PM »

Blyth Valley flips.
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« Reply #297 on: December 12, 2019, 06:32:11 PM »

11% swing to the Tories in Houghton and Sunderland South (still a 3,115 majority, but very worrying for other seats).
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« Reply #298 on: December 12, 2019, 06:32:23 PM »


Not exactly with a big majority, but still that's a big loss for Labour.
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« Reply #299 on: December 12, 2019, 06:32:26 PM »

Holy ****
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