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« on: December 17, 2019, 09:13:59 PM »
« edited: January 21, 2020, 07:26:41 AM by Pericles »

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MILITARY JUSTICE ACT

HOUSE BILL

Be it resolved in the Atlasian Congress Assembled,

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SECTION 1.

1. This Act may be cited as the "Military Justice Act”.

SECTION 2.

1. The following crimes may not be punishable by death under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, whether during times of peace or war:
a) Mutiny or sedition
b) Misbehavior before the enemy
c) Subordinate compelling surrender
d) Improper use of countersign
e) Forcing a safeguard
f) Aiding the enemy
g) Espionage
h) Improper hazarding of vessel
i) Rape
j) Desertion
k) Assaulting or willfully disobeying a superior commissioned officer
l) Lurking as a spy or acting as a spy
m) Misbehavior of a sentinel or lookout

2. Executions imposed by military tribunals shall be conducted by firing squad.

3. Executions conducted during peacetime and occurring within the territory of the Republic of Atlasia shall be in a public space.
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Passed the House of Representatives 6-1-0-2
X YE
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Sponsor: MB
Senate Designation: SB 21-27
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« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2019, 10:34:18 PM »

I'll sponsor
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« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2019, 04:39:02 PM »

So death penalty has never been abolished?
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« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2019, 07:41:25 PM »

24 hours to object to MB sponsoring this.
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« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2019, 01:08:55 AM »

MB is recognized as the sponsor and is invited to speak on this bill.
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« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2019, 12:17:29 AM »

"You are leaving the battle, deserters will be shot!!!"

You know there many times I flew a plane in Battlefield 1942 out of the zone and the health reached zero before I could get it to fly back. It didn't help that I had a crappy mouse and keyboard at the time.


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« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2019, 02:44:56 PM »

This removes the death penalty in the military for every offense but murder. The state shouldn't be putting people to death for these crimes, however serious they may be. This should have been dealt with a while ago.
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« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2019, 01:54:52 PM »

I would raise the point that as was raised in the house, if the concern with murder be that someone's life is being ended one must note that many of these crimes could lead to the same result.

An example comes to mind from the movie Dirty Dozen where Charles Bronson explains that the reason he is locked up because he shot a man who panicked and ran off with all the spare ammunition in a fire fight.

In a combat situation, most all of these cause the death of one's comrades.

I am not exactly in a position to research this, but isn't it often the case that accessory is charged the same when it comes to murder in a criminal sense?
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« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2019, 02:50:14 AM »

I would raise the point that as was raised in the house, if the concern with murder be that someone's life is being ended one must note that many of these crimes could lead to the same result.

An example comes to mind from the movie Dirty Dozen where Charles Bronson explains that the reason he is locked up because he shot a man who panicked and ran off with all the spare ammunition in a fire fight.

In a combat situation, most all of these cause the death of one's comrades.

I am not exactly in a position to research this, but isn't it often the case that accessory is charged the same when it comes to murder in a criminal sense?
Ftr I don't even support the death penalty for murder, but small steps...
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« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2019, 12:50:45 PM »
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I would raise the point that as was raised in the house, if the concern with murder be that someone's life is being ended one must note that many of these crimes could lead to the same result.

An example comes to mind from the movie Dirty Dozen where Charles Bronson explains that the reason he is locked up because he shot a man who panicked and ran off with all the spare ammunition in a fire fight.

In a combat situation, most all of these cause the death of one's comrades.

I am not exactly in a position to research this, but isn't it often the case that accessory is charged the same when it comes to murder in a criminal sense?
Ftr I don't even support the death penalty for murder, but small steps...

I don't support it except for serial murder/rape and of course treason. Tongue

For the military it has long been established that the military carries with a need for a certain level of discipline otherwise it can become very dangerous, especially dangerous for a democracy.

There is then beyond the harm that many of these above actions can cause including death on a mass scale.  I am not saying it would be appropriate sentence in every case of a guard falling asleep, but there are situations where I think it is the appropriate punishment.
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« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2020, 02:28:46 AM »

Remember this old clip from Mount and Musket earlier today at work, thought it relevant.

https://youtu.be/v6c4CP_YN3Q?t=339
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« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2020, 05:01:16 AM »

motion for a final vote. 24 hours to object.
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« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2020, 10:24:54 PM »

I don't support this bill.
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« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2020, 10:21:01 PM »

Why are we taking this weird roundabout instead of outlawing the death penalty in totality?
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« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2020, 02:36:55 AM »

Why are we taking this weird roundabout instead of outlawing the death penalty in totality?
do you want to introduce an amendment? I'm not against that.

Withdraw my motion.
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« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2020, 09:12:40 PM »

I offer the following amendment.

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MILITARY JUSTICE ACT

HOUSE BILL

Be it resolved in the Atlasian Congress Assembled,

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SECTION 1.

1. This Act may be cited as the "Military Justice Act”.

SECTION 2.

1. The following crimes may not be punishable by death under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, whether during times of peace or war:
a) Mutiny or sedition
b) Misbehavior before the enemy
c) Subordinate compelling surrender
d) Improper use of countersign
e) Forcing a safeguard
f) Aiding the enemy
g) Espionage
h) Improper hazarding of vessel
i) Rape
j) Desertion
k) Assaulting or willfully disobeying a superior commissioned officer
l) Lurking as a spy or acting as a spy
m) Misbehavior of a sentinel or lookout

2. Executions imposed by military tribunals shall be conducted by firing squad.

3. Executions conducted during peacetime and occurring within the territory of the Republic of Atlasia shall be in a public space.


1. It is hereby prohibited for any crime to be punishable by death under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
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« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2020, 05:30:45 AM »

24 hours to object to the amendment.
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« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2020, 10:36:17 AM »

The amendment is adopted.
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« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2020, 11:12:25 AM »

I guess final vote time then?
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« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2020, 03:25:26 PM »


Do you want to make a final vote motion?
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« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2020, 01:11:49 AM »


Yes I motion for a final vote.
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« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2020, 03:10:56 AM »

24 hours to object to the final vote motion.
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« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2020, 03:37:17 AM »

Senators have 72 hours to vote Aye, Nay or Abstain on this bill.
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« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2020, 12:26:07 PM »

Nay
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« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2020, 12:34:28 PM »

Aye. The amended version's great.
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