Impeachment Megathread Part 3

[GeorgiaModerate]

Don't be an idiot.  Hunter Biden is not relevant to Trump's misconduct in this affair; this is an attempt to deflect (by Trump, his supporters, and you).  Bolton has relevant knowledge of what was going on; Biden does not.

How so? It has literally started the whole Impeachment.


President Trump is claiming that the Bidens conduct in Ukraina was suspicious enough to ask the President of Ukraine to investigate it. I'm incline to agree with Pr. Trump, but the Bidens has of course the right to clarify what the  Hunter was getting paid for?

I'm damn sure, you'd be interested, too, if it was Pence's son working for, let's say, Putin's Gazprom...

If Trump suspected Hunter Biden of actual wrongdoing, he should have had DOJ open an investigation.  There are channels through which they could request help from a foreign government if needed.  If such an investigation were opened, then of course Biden would answer questions.  You don't open an investigation via secret back-channel pressure of a foreign government.  Trump doesn't give a damn about corruption, he just wanted an investigation announced to hurt Joe Biden politically. 

This is a smokescreen and a smear, and I think you're too intelligent to actually believe it's true, so you're just parroting the Trump propaganda.  If so, please stop it; if not, let me know so I can ignore your future posts.

[Sir Mohamed]

Don't be an idiot.  Hunter Biden is not relevant to Trump's misconduct in this affair; this is an attempt to deflect (by Trump, his supporters, and you).  Bolton has relevant knowledge of what was going on; Biden does not.

How so? It has literally started the whole Impeachment.


President Trump is claiming that the Bidens conduct in Ukraina was suspicious enough to ask the President of Ukraine to investigate it. I'm incline to agree with Pr. Trump, but the Bidens has of course the right to clarify what the  Hunter was getting paid for?

I'm damn sure, you'd be interested, too, if it was Pence's son working for, let's say, Putin's Gazprom...

Come on, Mr. Trump was never into caring about corruption in Ukraine. What else has he done other than singling out the son of a political rival? This whole thing is nonsense and it doesn't take much to see through it. Trump didn't even care whether there was an actual investigation in Ukraine. All he wanted is an announcement that makes the Bidens look corrupt to improve his reelection chances. And after he got caught by a whistleblower, he released the aid previously held back.

After all, there is not even evidence Hunter did something wrong legally. He only cashed in a ton of money, which he shouldn't have done from an ethical perspective. And Mr. Trump is the last person on earth to accuse anyone for being greedy.

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

(Sorry for twitter embeds, I know they're kind of a lazy way to post, but...)
https://mobile.twitter.com/Santucci/status/1220741267681923072

"Get rid of her!" is what the voice that appears to be President Trump’s is heard saying. "Get her out tomorrow. I don't care. Get her out tomorrow. Take her out. Okay? Do it.

Nothing all that new here, but it just reinforces that (if the voice indeed belongs to Trump) seemed to be on the warpath with Yovanovitch.  And the recording -- from early 2018 -- appears to line up with Parnas' claims. 

[GeneralMacArthur]

Democrats should offer to let Hunter Biden testify if Republicans will let Stormy Daniels testify, as well as Sherrill Redmon (Mitch McConnell's ex-wife).

That is, of course, if we want to turn this whole thing into a farce where we pull in politically-expedient witnesses who have zero relevant testimony to offer.

[Vaccinated Russian Bear]

Don't be an idiot.  Hunter Biden is not relevant to Trump's misconduct in this affair; this is an attempt to deflect (by Trump, his supporters, and you).  Bolton has relevant knowledge of what was going on; Biden does not.

How so? It has literally started the whole Impeachment.


President Trump is claiming that the Bidens conduct in Ukraina was suspicious enough to ask the President of Ukraine to investigate it. I'm incline to agree with Pr. Trump, but the Bidens has of course the right to clarify what the  Hunter was getting paid for?

I'm damn sure, you'd be interested, too, if it was Pence's son working for, let's say, Putin's Gazprom...

Come on, Mr. Trump was never into caring about corruption in Ukraine. What else has he done other than singling out the son of a political rival? This whole thing is nonsense and it doesn't take much to see through it. Trump didn't even care whether there was an actual investigation in Ukraine. All he wanted is an announcement that makes the Bidens look corrupt to improve his reelection chances. And after he got caught by a whistleblower, he released the aid previously held back.

After all, there is not even evidence Hunter did something wrong legally. He only cashed in a ton of money, which he shouldn't have done from an ethical perspective. And Mr. Trump is the last person on earth to accuse anyone for being greedy.

I never said Trump was "into caring about corruption", but when he saw the Bidens in it, he couldn't resist. It's a politic. Like Benghazi. GOP cared only because Hillary was in it. Very "bad" to single her out, bur it's how it works.

He didn't want to pay because he's promised get along with Putin and Ukrainians set him up during 2016, when they leaked and started investigate Manafort who was then forced out. Trump wanted them to do same but against the Bidens 


I didn't say that Bidens did anything illegal, but it was certainly a corruption (at least in Russia we would call it so). Just imagine if it was about the guys you don't like, like Trumps, in exactly same situation. If even with Trumps you wouldn't call it corrupt, then fine. Otherwise you understand that the only argument is that Biden is good and clean, while Trump is orange baad and corrupt.



But it is getting off topic. If Democrats really think it that Bolton is so important and that it is so obvious that the Bidens didn't do anything wrong, just invite them and explain to american people that you had to accept this "farce" because corrupt GOP forced you too in order to get Bolton, Mulvaney and others to testify.

Let american people decide. They are not stupid! They will see this allegedly obvious republican dishonesty and the Bidens innocence.

[Inmate Trump]

Republicans are traitors.

[Crumpets]

Democrats should offer to let Hunter Biden testify if Republicans will let Stormy Daniels testify, as well as Sherrill Redmon (Mitch McConnell's ex-wife).

That is, of course, if we want to turn this whole thing into a farce where we pull in politically-expedient witnesses who have zero relevant testimony to offer.

What is McConnell trying to hide? We're just asking questions and trying to get to the bottom of things.

[DINGO Joe]

https://mobile.twitter.com/CBSEveningNews/status/1220491412854185984

##BeBest

[President Johnson]

https://mobile.twitter.com/CBSEveningNews/status/1220491412854185984

##BeBest

I actually think Republican senators wouldn't have to worry all too much if they removed Trump. It would certainly be politically suicidal to convict him if he's not removed in the end. But if they collectively voted him out with a ban to run for office again, he might actually be fading away. Of course he'll continue to send out BS tweets, but honestly, if he's out of power, who will care any longer what this increasingly senile clown has to say? Some of his hardcore supporters will be upset for a while but get tired sooner or later. Maybe I'm wrong here, but I can't imagine a former and discredited president having a lot of power.

[SteveRogers]

Democrats should offer to let Hunter Biden testify if Republicans will let Stormy Daniels testify, as well as Sherrill Redmon (Mitch McConnell's ex-wife).

That is, of course, if we want to turn this whole thing into a farce where we pull in politically-expedient witnesses who have zero relevant testimony to offer.

The proper solution would not be to negotiate some asinine “swap” but rather to, much like a real trial, allow both sides to subpoena whichever witnesses they want subject to those subpoenas being quashed if the proponent of the testimony can’t demonstrate that the individual in question is actually a fact witness to anything relevant to the articles of impeachment.

Bolton and Mulvaney are obviously witnesses to Trump’s actions. There’s no valid reason that the prosecution shouldn’t be able to question them. And yes, if the defense team wants to subpoena Hunter Biden in response, then Hunter Biden should absolutely have to show up at the Senate chamber at the appointed time. But if the senators then try to question him about matters that are not relevant to the subject matter of the impeachment articles, then the Chief Justice should be authorized to shut it down and excuse the witness from subpoena.

At least that’s the way it would work if the GOP running the show had any decency.

[Farmlands]

Since it is looking like there will be no witnesses, Murkowski actually has made a fairly compelling argument, when can we expect the trial to end? Assuming it's confirmed, it could end in just the next week, right? Thereby giving time for the Senators who are campaigning for president to return to Iowa just in time for the caucuses.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

https://mobile.twitter.com/CBSEveningNews/status/1220491412854185984

##BeBest

I actually think Republican senators wouldn't have to worry all too much if they removed Trump. It would certainly be politically suicidal to convict him if he's not removed in the end. But if they collectively voted him out with a ban to run for office again, he might actually be fading away. Of course he'll continue to send out BS tweets, but honestly, if he's out of power, who will care any longer what this increasingly senile clown has to say? Some of his hardcore supporters will be upset for a while but get tired sooner or later. Maybe I'm wrong here, but I can't imagine a former and discredited president having a lot of power.

It's not just Trump though. Trump is a useful distraction from all the awful things Republicans are doing, and would be doing whether it was him or Jeb Bush or Mitt Romney in the White House. And with Trump (presuming he's replaced by someone like Biden), they can try to play the "It was all Trump, he was terrible, now let's go back to business as usual". Where Republicans lie, cheat, steal and conspire with Russians to illegally undermine America's democracy. And that last part is the kicker. This isn't just Trump. The entire Republican leadership is complicit. Look at how many people Parnas was spending time with. Look at all the Republican Senators and Representatives who were on the take from Russia, directly via laundered campaign finance donations, or indirectly via the NRA. Fact-find trips to Moscow on the 4th of July (that they tried to hide). The RNC email server ransacked by Russian hackers, and the contents never released. The Republican leadership likely thinks that if Trump goes down, they're all going to be looking at major criminal charges. So they'll bull through and hope they can get away with it in the end, because everyone will be so relieved the mango moron is gone.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

After the Nadler dust up, Trump has improved in the polls and Emerson released a tied poll; whereas, RASSY keeps Trumps approvals at 47% and Secular polls show Trump at 42%. The Nadler dustup is the climax of the Trial and there wont be any witnesses called and the Trial will likely end next week, finally, right before SOTU

[Donald Trump’s Toupée]

Whoops!

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/public_approval_of_the_impeachment_and_removal_of_president_trump-6957.html

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

Whoops!

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/public_approval_of_the_impeachment_and_removal_of_president_trump-6957.html

wHo0pS!

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/

[Queen Isuelt]

https://twitter.com/SenMcSallyAZ/status/1220757126403981312

where do we start martha..arizona senate race 2018? Getting hammered on twitter.

[7,052,770]

So if Trump can't be removed because it's overturning the American people, who ever could be impeached? Why haven't Republicans tried to amend the Constitution to remove the section about impeachment? 🤔🤔🤔

[Donald Trump’s Toupée]

Say it ain’t so, Trump will not go

https://youtu.be/Xk-aS5NdxNI

carry the Senate home nanana

[Hindsight was 2020]

Say it ain’t so, Trump will not go

https://youtu.be/Xk-aS5NdxNI

carry the Senate home nanana

You troll because you can’t defend him on substance

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

The evidence is only enough to sway Murkowski and Collins, but compelling enough to sway Romney and or Lamar Alexander,  it's always been that way.

[Progressive Pessimist]

So if Trump can't be removed because it's overturning the American people, who ever could be impeached? Why haven't Republicans tried to amend the Constitution to remove the section about impeachment? 🤔🤔🤔

Why do they keep forgetting that removing Trump installs Pence who was also elected alongside him?

[Donald Trump’s Toupée]

The reason for stretching this sham of a case to a bore of the full 24 hours was done in the hope that Trump would go into meltdown mode and embarrass and incriminate himself further over those 3 days.

Nope.

Instead, Trump has become further presidential. Lol

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

https://twitter.com/SenMcSallyAZ/status/1220757126403981312

where do we start martha..arizona senate race 2018? Getting hammered on twitter.

Ironic words, coming from a woman who - like Trump - got her current position after an election where a majority of voters voted for someone  else.

[Donald Trump’s Toupée]

GOP Senators will note that there’s been no enlarging public sentiment on this. Don’t see any hope of witnesses or removal.

[Progressive Pessimist]

GOP Senators will note that there’s been no enlarging public sentiment on this. Don’t see any hope of witnesses or removal.

There never was. But not for the reason you laid out.