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« Reply #575 on: February 15, 2020, 06:34:54 am »
« edited: February 15, 2020, 06:54:54 am by Zinneke »

Geens has resigned as informateur. He was hoping to bring the PS and N-VA together but Magnette made it clear this morning it wasn't going to happen and the N-VA continue their own Calimero act of "We're willing to negotiate, but only on our terms".

King must give it to an NVA official if only for symbolic reasons now. A real sense that new elections are the only thing that will happen.

Magnette also talked about a potential referendum for the first time, which is a Rubicon for Francophone politicians, that personally I am glad they have finally crossed.
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« Reply #576 on: February 15, 2020, 12:13:31 pm »

Geens has resigned as informateur. He was hoping to bring the PS and N-VA together but Magnette made it clear this morning it wasn't going to happen and the N-VA continue their own Calimero act of "We're willing to negotiate, but only on our terms".

King must give it to an NVA official if only for symbolic reasons now. A real sense that new elections are the only thing that will happen.

Magnette also talked about a potential referendum for the first time, which is a Rubicon for Francophone politicians, that personally I am glad they have finally crossed.
In theory could a N-VAer become pm?
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« Reply #577 on: February 16, 2020, 07:24:42 am »

Geens has resigned as informateur. He was hoping to bring the PS and N-VA together but Magnette made it clear this morning it wasn't going to happen and the N-VA continue their own Calimero act of "We're willing to negotiate, but only on our terms".

King must give it to an NVA official if only for symbolic reasons now. A real sense that new elections are the only thing that will happen.

Magnette also talked about a potential referendum for the first time, which is a Rubicon for Francophone politicians, that personally I am glad they have finally crossed.
In theory could a N-VAer become pm?

Yes, its been touted before and after elections when before 2014 it was unthinkable.
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« Reply #578 on: February 16, 2020, 10:48:56 am »

I'm hoping for new elections here. Problem is that only the far-right and far-left and maybe the Greens will continue to grow. And that the traditional parties + N-VA keep falling in opinion polls, making the deadlock much more problematic. Elections aren't the solution to this government formation crisis. It will only make them tougher, but maybe it isn't a bad thing that "extremist" parties, and the consequent left parties will grow. Traditional parties deserve a historic loss after this debacle.
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« Reply #579 on: February 16, 2020, 05:35:08 pm »

Geens has resigned as informateur. He was hoping to bring the PS and N-VA together but Magnette made it clear this morning it wasn't going to happen and the N-VA continue their own Calimero act of "We're willing to negotiate, but only on our terms".

King must give it to an NVA official if only for symbolic reasons now. A real sense that new elections are the only thing that will happen.

Magnette also talked about a potential referendum for the first time, which is a Rubicon for Francophone politicians, that personally I am glad they have finally crossed.

A referendum on what?
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« Reply #580 on: February 16, 2020, 05:49:54 pm »

Geens has resigned as informateur. He was hoping to bring the PS and N-VA together but Magnette made it clear this morning it wasn't going to happen and the N-VA continue their own Calimero act of "We're willing to negotiate, but only on our terms".

King must give it to an NVA official if only for symbolic reasons now. A real sense that new elections are the only thing that will happen.

Magnette also talked about a potential referendum for the first time, which is a Rubicon for Francophone politicians, that personally I am glad they have finally crossed.

A referendum on what?

"The institutional future of the country"

The issue is that its unclear whether NVA voters vote NVA to be sure to have a right-wing federal government or genuinely out of a wish to one day secede or stop transfers. Most studies on their voters show only 10-15% of NVA voters actually prioritising institutional reform.

The francophones are ready to campaign on that ground. They already spoke as a united front defending Brussels' regional status when NVA came out with their ridiculous plan for having two citizenship models for one city. They want to see if the NVA will escalate enough to potentially alienate risk-averse voters.
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« Reply #581 on: February 17, 2020, 11:25:48 am »

New elections seem to get likelier and likelier - 266 days without a government. Our media reports that the formation process is completely blocked, and that pressure for new elections is rising. The far-right clearly wants new elections. Others are more hesistant about it but secretly preparing for it. I think no-one believes in a solution.
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« Reply #582 on: February 17, 2020, 11:51:43 am »

Five options:

1. Purple - Yellow is death. PS said radically no. N-VA called for the formation of a Flemish front against the French-speaking Social Democrats

2. Vivaldi: CD&V says radically no. "We are allied with N-VA", they say. We want a majority on Flemish side. There is always Défi and cdH that can jump in to give purple - green a majority

3. Purple-green + Défi + cdH. This is something the Open VLD wouldn't want. It would ignore the Flemish, because all Walloon parties would be part of it, while only two out of the 7 Flemish parties would join Purple-green + Défi + cdH. Open VLD is right-wing so they have said this is not an option, because they would surely be decimated in 2024.

4. New elections: Right now, most likeliest option because it has no sense to go on. But no-one wants it either, because there would be two, maybe three winners. The far-right, the greens and the far-left. All other parties would lose according to opinion polls, and there is no majority for new elections.

5. Continuing the deadlock and waiting for 2024: Another option, is to go on with Wilmès 1 and continue that. But that would economically be a disaster for Belgium. All other parties could pretend to talk, or could be in an election modus for the rest of the 5 years, but if that happens radical parties will win in 2024. But it's an option i have considered too. Does anyone want this. Maybe not as an option, but it could inevitably happen. At least, we would improve our own Guinness World Record with it.
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« Reply #583 on: February 17, 2020, 05:33:08 pm »

https://www.7sur7.be/dossier-formation-gouvernementale/magnette-nous-ne-voulons-pas-construire-des-fronts-nous-voulons-construire-des-ponts~aaa559e9/?utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR1P1UPeI_SakVKe_FdPzWm_OkUzy6QHUMH8iuPB2xzbe0TxvhzQWJh26OM&referrer=https://www.facebook.com/

PS chairman: "We don't want to build fronts, we want to build bridges."

Notice the divide between CD&V and cdH and s.pa and PS. I'm sometimes ashamed of being Flemish. I'm proud of Wallonia. Paul Magnette is a hero to having say no to puirple-yellow. If it depended on s.pa we would already have an asocial purple-yellow government.
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« Reply #584 on: February 19, 2020, 05:43:35 am »

https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2020/02/18/rondvraag-nieuwe-verkiezingen/

PVDA + VB + Jean-Marie Dedecker wants new elections. N-VA is undecided. Other parties want to try out the Vivaldi coalition. Although CD&V wants a majority on Flemish side, and that's technically not possible, without N-VA, PVDA and VB.
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