Clinton says "nobody likes" Sanders and calls him a "career politician"

[Beet]

One thing is for certain... Sanders will never beat Hillary Clinton. He lost his only chance in 2016. She will always be the victor over him.

[beaver2.0]

It annoys me to see people act as if Sanders is this leftist messiah who can do no wrong, but it also seems incorrect to completely demonize him as a total hack.  I think the real Bernie Sanders is somewhere in between those two extremes.

[John Dule]

One thing is for certain... Sanders will never beat Hillary Clinton. He lost his only chance in 2016. She will always be the victor over him.

I bet she feels really good about that too. It definitely helps her sleep at night.

[GoTfan]

One thing is for certain... Sanders will never beat Hillary Clinton. He lost his only chance in 2016. She will always be the victor over him.

 . . . She also lost to Trump.

[DrScholl]

My first paragraph literally singles out people who think Bernie is a self-righteous crank who lost fair and square (i.e. Hillary hacks).  Also, I don’t single out Sanders supporters.  Plenty of Sanders supporters aren’t pointlessly obsessing over the 2016 primaries.  I have no quarrel with them.  

Anyway, the point is there are people being dumb in both camps (Berniecrats and Hacks for Hillary).  Yes, some of Sanders’ supporters sometimes do dumb things.  That’s not an attack on all Berniecrats; it’s a criticism of the ones who are doing the dumb thing in question.  Same deal with Hillary apologists.

Be more careful of what you write comrade or next time you will be labeled enemy of the people.

Sanders is not Stalin, despite what you think.

Stalin wasn't a capitalist and considering that economics is the only issue that matters for some people, I'm not sure why socialists have a problem with Stalin. Didn't the Soviet Union just do what needed to be done to achieve economic balance for the people and keep corporations out?

[GoTfan]

My first paragraph literally singles out people who think Bernie is a self-righteous crank who lost fair and square (i.e. Hillary hacks).  Also, I don’t single out Sanders supporters.  Plenty of Sanders supporters aren’t pointlessly obsessing over the 2016 primaries.  I have no quarrel with them.  

Anyway, the point is there are people being dumb in both camps (Berniecrats and Hacks for Hillary).  Yes, some of Sanders’ supporters sometimes do dumb things.  That’s not an attack on all Berniecrats; it’s a criticism of the ones who are doing the dumb thing in question.  Same deal with Hillary apologists.

Be more careful of what you write comrade or next time you will be labeled enemy of the people.

Sanders is not Stalin, despite what you think.

Stalin wasn't a capitalist and considering that economics is the only issue that matters for some people, I'm not sure why socialists have a problem with Stalin. Didn't the Soviet Union just do what needed to be done to achieve economic balance for the people and keep corporations out?

Juat take a minute to read what you said and realise how monumentally idiotic it sounds.

[DrScholl]

My first paragraph literally singles out people who think Bernie is a self-righteous crank who lost fair and square (i.e. Hillary hacks).  Also, I don’t single out Sanders supporters.  Plenty of Sanders supporters aren’t pointlessly obsessing over the 2016 primaries.  I have no quarrel with them.  

Anyway, the point is there are people being dumb in both camps (Berniecrats and Hacks for Hillary).  Yes, some of Sanders’ supporters sometimes do dumb things.  That’s not an attack on all Berniecrats; it’s a criticism of the ones who are doing the dumb thing in question.  Same deal with Hillary apologists.

Be more careful of what you write comrade or next time you will be labeled enemy of the people.

Sanders is not Stalin, despite what you think.

Stalin wasn't a capitalist and considering that economics is the only issue that matters for some people, I'm not sure why socialists have a problem with Stalin. Didn't the Soviet Union just do what needed to be done to achieve economic balance for the people and keep corporations out?

Juat take a minute to read what you said and realise how monumentally idiotic it sounds.

I'm just using the logic that it seems a lot of socialists use which is that every problem is linked to economic class and nothing else. The communists in Russia got rid of the elitists to establish the USSR which was a closed economy where the means of production were owned by the state. I was under the impression that socialists thought that getting to a socialist economy was the top priority and that everything else was meaningless, but maybe the goalposts have been moved. Doesn't Stalin at least get some points for not being a corporatist?

[GoTfan]

My first paragraph literally singles out people who think Bernie is a self-righteous crank who lost fair and square (i.e. Hillary hacks).  Also, I don’t single out Sanders supporters.  Plenty of Sanders supporters aren’t pointlessly obsessing over the 2016 primaries.  I have no quarrel with them.  

Anyway, the point is there are people being dumb in both camps (Berniecrats and Hacks for Hillary).  Yes, some of Sanders’ supporters sometimes do dumb things.  That’s not an attack on all Berniecrats; it’s a criticism of the ones who are doing the dumb thing in question.  Same deal with Hillary apologists.

Be more careful of what you write comrade or next time you will be labeled enemy of the people.

Sanders is not Stalin, despite what you think.

Stalin wasn't a capitalist and considering that economics is the only issue that matters for some people, I'm not sure why socialists have a problem with Stalin. Didn't the Soviet Union just do what needed to be done to achieve economic balance for the people and keep corporations out?

Juat take a minute to read what you said and realise how monumentally idiotic it sounds.

I'm just using the logic that it seems a lot of socialists use which is that every problem is linked to economic class and nothing else. The communists in Russia got rid of the elitists to establish the USSR which was a closed economy where the means of production were owned by the state. I was under the impression that socialists thought that getting to a socialist economy was the top priority and that everything else was meaningless, but maybe the goalposts have been moved. Doesn't Stalin at least get some points for not being a corporatist?

Again, read over what you just typed and think on it for a second.

[DrScholl]

My first paragraph literally singles out people who think Bernie is a self-righteous crank who lost fair and square (i.e. Hillary hacks).  Also, I don’t single out Sanders supporters.  Plenty of Sanders supporters aren’t pointlessly obsessing over the 2016 primaries.  I have no quarrel with them.  

Anyway, the point is there are people being dumb in both camps (Berniecrats and Hacks for Hillary).  Yes, some of Sanders’ supporters sometimes do dumb things.  That’s not an attack on all Berniecrats; it’s a criticism of the ones who are doing the dumb thing in question.  Same deal with Hillary apologists.

Be more careful of what you write comrade or next time you will be labeled enemy of the people.

Sanders is not Stalin, despite what you think.

Stalin wasn't a capitalist and considering that economics is the only issue that matters for some people, I'm not sure why socialists have a problem with Stalin. Didn't the Soviet Union just do what needed to be done to achieve economic balance for the people and keep corporations out?

Juat take a minute to read what you said and realise how monumentally idiotic it sounds.

I'm just using the logic that it seems a lot of socialists use which is that every problem is linked to economic class and nothing else. The communists in Russia got rid of the elitists to establish the USSR which was a closed economy where the means of production were owned by the state. I was under the impression that socialists thought that getting to a socialist economy was the top priority and that everything else was meaningless, but maybe the goalposts have been moved. Doesn't Stalin at least get some points for not being a corporatist?

Again, read over what you just typed and think on it for a second.

I don't need to think it over. I'm going by the logic of people like you who place socialism and your political goals above all else.

[GoTfan]

My first paragraph literally singles out people who think Bernie is a self-righteous crank who lost fair and square (i.e. Hillary hacks).  Also, I don’t single out Sanders supporters.  Plenty of Sanders supporters aren’t pointlessly obsessing over the 2016 primaries.  I have no quarrel with them.  

Anyway, the point is there are people being dumb in both camps (Berniecrats and Hacks for Hillary).  Yes, some of Sanders’ supporters sometimes do dumb things.  That’s not an attack on all Berniecrats; it’s a criticism of the ones who are doing the dumb thing in question.  Same deal with Hillary apologists.

Be more careful of what you write comrade or next time you will be labeled enemy of the people.

Sanders is not Stalin, despite what you think.

Stalin wasn't a capitalist and considering that economics is the only issue that matters for some people, I'm not sure why socialists have a problem with Stalin. Didn't the Soviet Union just do what needed to be done to achieve economic balance for the people and keep corporations out?

Juat take a minute to read what you said and realise how monumentally idiotic it sounds.

I'm just using the logic that it seems a lot of socialists use which is that every problem is linked to economic class and nothing else. The communists in Russia got rid of the elitists to establish the USSR which was a closed economy where the means of production were owned by the state. I was under the impression that socialists thought that getting to a socialist economy was the top priority and that everything else was meaningless, but maybe the goalposts have been moved. Doesn't Stalin at least get some points for not being a corporatist?

Again, read over what you just typed and think on it for a second.

I don't need to think it over. I'm going by the logic of people like you who place socialism and your political goals above all else.

Then your i pressi9n of the Left is . . . Very, very warped.

[Amtrak Joe]

This thread is going about as good as one could expect...

[DINGO Joe]

It's true, nobody liked Stalin.

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

My first paragraph literally singles out people who think Bernie is a self-righteous crank who lost fair and square (i.e. Hillary hacks).  Also, I don’t single out Sanders supporters.  Plenty of Sanders supporters aren’t pointlessly obsessing over the 2016 primaries.  I have no quarrel with them.  

Anyway, the point is there are people being dumb in both camps (Berniecrats and Hacks for Hillary).  Yes, some of Sanders’ supporters sometimes do dumb things.  That’s not an attack on all Berniecrats; it’s a criticism of the ones who are doing the dumb thing in question.  Same deal with Hillary apologists.

Be more careful of what you write comrade or next time you will be labeled enemy of the people.

Sanders is not Stalin, despite what you think.

Stalin wasn't a capitalist and considering that economics is the only issue that matters for some people, I'm not sure why socialists have a problem with Stalin. Didn't the Soviet Union just do what needed to be done to achieve economic balance for the people and keep corporations out?

Juat take a minute to read what you said and realise how monumentally idiotic it sounds.

I'm just using the logic that it seems a lot of socialists use which is that every problem is linked to economic class and nothing else. The communists in Russia got rid of the elitists to establish the USSR which was a closed economy where the means of production were owned by the state. I was under the impression that socialists thought that getting to a socialist economy was the top priority and that everything else was meaningless, but maybe the goalposts have been moved. Doesn't Stalin at least get some points for not being a corporatist?

He killed millions of people.

[Landslide Lyndon]

He killed millions of people.

And you'll be surprised by how many people are in denial about that and consider it all a capitalist conspiracy to defame a great Communist leader.

[DrScholl]

My first paragraph literally singles out people who think Bernie is a self-righteous crank who lost fair and square (i.e. Hillary hacks).  Also, I don’t single out Sanders supporters.  Plenty of Sanders supporters aren’t pointlessly obsessing over the 2016 primaries.  I have no quarrel with them.  

Anyway, the point is there are people being dumb in both camps (Berniecrats and Hacks for Hillary).  Yes, some of Sanders’ supporters sometimes do dumb things.  That’s not an attack on all Berniecrats; it’s a criticism of the ones who are doing the dumb thing in question.  Same deal with Hillary apologists.

Be more careful of what you write comrade or next time you will be labeled enemy of the people.

Sanders is not Stalin, despite what you think.

Stalin wasn't a capitalist and considering that economics is the only issue that matters for some people, I'm not sure why socialists have a problem with Stalin. Didn't the Soviet Union just do what needed to be done to achieve economic balance for the people and keep corporations out?

Juat take a minute to read what you said and realise how monumentally idiotic it sounds.

I'm just using the logic that it seems a lot of socialists use which is that every problem is linked to economic class and nothing else. The communists in Russia got rid of the elitists to establish the USSR which was a closed economy where the means of production were owned by the state. I was under the impression that socialists thought that getting to a socialist economy was the top priority and that everything else was meaningless, but maybe the goalposts have been moved. Doesn't Stalin at least get some points for not being a corporatist?

He killed millions of people.

That isn't news. My point is that in politics some people are willing to overlook wrongdoing if a leader meets their ideological standards.

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

My first paragraph literally singles out people who think Bernie is a self-righteous crank who lost fair and square (i.e. Hillary hacks).  Also, I don’t single out Sanders supporters.  Plenty of Sanders supporters aren’t pointlessly obsessing over the 2016 primaries.  I have no quarrel with them.  

Anyway, the point is there are people being dumb in both camps (Berniecrats and Hacks for Hillary).  Yes, some of Sanders’ supporters sometimes do dumb things.  That’s not an attack on all Berniecrats; it’s a criticism of the ones who are doing the dumb thing in question.  Same deal with Hillary apologists.

Be more careful of what you write comrade or next time you will be labeled enemy of the people.

Sanders is not Stalin, despite what you think.

Stalin wasn't a capitalist and considering that economics is the only issue that matters for some people, I'm not sure why socialists have a problem with Stalin. Didn't the Soviet Union just do what needed to be done to achieve economic balance for the people and keep corporations out?

Juat take a minute to read what you said and realise how monumentally idiotic it sounds.

I'm just using the logic that it seems a lot of socialists use which is that every problem is linked to economic class and nothing else. The communists in Russia got rid of the elitists to establish the USSR which was a closed economy where the means of production were owned by the state. I was under the impression that socialists thought that getting to a socialist economy was the top priority and that everything else was meaningless, but maybe the goalposts have been moved. Doesn't Stalin at least get some points for not being a corporatist?

He killed millions of people.

That isn't news. My point is that in politics some people are willing to overlook wrongdoing if a leader meets their ideological standards.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Dude, if you want examples just go the impeachment thread.

[GoTfan]

He killed millions of people.

And you'll be surprised by how many people are in denial about that and consider it all a capitalist conspiracy to defame a great Communist leader.

I doubt Sanders supporters do, but you'll just go and dig up some obscure tweet from a persn thatno one outside of your anti-Sanders bubble hads ever heard of to prove me wrong.

My first paragraph literally singles out people who think Bernie is a self-righteous crank who lost fair and square (i.e. Hillary hacks).  Also, I don’t single out Sanders supporters.  Plenty of Sanders supporters aren’t pointlessly obsessing over the 2016 primaries.  I have no quarrel with them.  

Anyway, the point is there are people being dumb in both camps (Berniecrats and Hacks for Hillary).  Yes, some of Sanders’ supporters sometimes do dumb things.  That’s not an attack on all Berniecrats; it’s a criticism of the ones who are doing the dumb thing in question.  Same deal with Hillary apologists.

Be more careful of what you write comrade or next time you will be labeled enemy of the people.

Sanders is not Stalin, despite what you think.

Stalin wasn't a capitalist and considering that economics is the only issue that matters for some people, I'm not sure why socialists have a problem with Stalin. Didn't the Soviet Union just do what needed to be done to achieve economic balance for the people and keep corporations out?

Juat take a minute to read what you said and realise how monumentally idiotic it sounds.

I'm just using the logic that it seems a lot of socialists use which is that every problem is linked to economic class and nothing else. The communists in Russia got rid of the elitists to establish the USSR which was a closed economy where the means of production were owned by the state. I was under the impression that socialists thought that getting to a socialist economy was the top priority and that everything else was meaningless, but maybe the goalposts have been moved. Doesn't Stalin at least get some points for not being a corporatist?

He killed millions of people.

That isn't news. My point is that in politics some people are willing to overlook wrongdoing if a leader meets their ideological standards.

You are veering into some very, very, very strange and dangerous territory in comparing Sanders to Stalin. Are you saying Sanders wants to commit a genocide now? Throw people into work camps? Organise a secret police force?

[DrScholl]

He killed millions of people.

And you'll be surprised by how many people are in denial about that and consider it all a capitalist conspiracy to defame a great Communist leader.

I doubt Sanders supporters do, but you'll just go and dig up some obscure tweet from a persn thatno one outside of your anti-Sanders bubble hads ever heard of to prove me wrong.

My first paragraph literally singles out people who think Bernie is a self-righteous crank who lost fair and square (i.e. Hillary hacks).  Also, I don’t single out Sanders supporters.  Plenty of Sanders supporters aren’t pointlessly obsessing over the 2016 primaries.  I have no quarrel with them.  

Anyway, the point is there are people being dumb in both camps (Berniecrats and Hacks for Hillary).  Yes, some of Sanders’ supporters sometimes do dumb things.  That’s not an attack on all Berniecrats; it’s a criticism of the ones who are doing the dumb thing in question.  Same deal with Hillary apologists.

Be more careful of what you write comrade or next time you will be labeled enemy of the people.

Sanders is not Stalin, despite what you think.

Stalin wasn't a capitalist and considering that economics is the only issue that matters for some people, I'm not sure why socialists have a problem with Stalin. Didn't the Soviet Union just do what needed to be done to achieve economic balance for the people and keep corporations out?

Juat take a minute to read what you said and realise how monumentally idiotic it sounds.

I'm just using the logic that it seems a lot of socialists use which is that every problem is linked to economic class and nothing else. The communists in Russia got rid of the elitists to establish the USSR which was a closed economy where the means of production were owned by the state. I was under the impression that socialists thought that getting to a socialist economy was the top priority and that everything else was meaningless, but maybe the goalposts have been moved. Doesn't Stalin at least get some points for not being a corporatist?

He killed millions of people.

That isn't news. My point is that in politics some people are willing to overlook wrongdoing if a leader meets their ideological standards.

You are veering into some very, very, very strange and dangerous territory in comparing Sanders to Stalin. Are you saying Sanders wants to commit a genocide now? Throw people into work camps? Organise a secret police force?

I didn't compare him to anyone, it was you that mentioned Stalin and now you are accusing me of saying that the great Bernie is planning to commit crimes. All I stated is that it was surprising that a socialist took an issue with Stalin, because I thought anyone who wasn't a capitalist was super cool and off limits for criticism.

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

All I stated is that it was surprising that a socialist took an issue with Stalin, because I thought anyone who wasn't a capitalist was super cool and off limits for criticism.

Okay. But did you "think that", or are you pretending to have "thought that" because you're under the impression that it's a good talking point to own the maroon avatars with?

[GoTfan]

He killed millions of people.

And you'll be surprised by how many people are in denial about that and consider it all a capitalist conspiracy to defame a great Communist leader.

I doubt Sanders supporters do, but you'll just go and dig up some obscure tweet from a persn thatno one outside of your anti-Sanders bubble hads ever heard of to prove me wrong.

My first paragraph literally singles out people who think Bernie is a self-righteous crank who lost fair and square (i.e. Hillary hacks).  Also, I don’t single out Sanders supporters.  Plenty of Sanders supporters aren’t pointlessly obsessing over the 2016 primaries.  I have no quarrel with them.  

Anyway, the point is there are people being dumb in both camps (Berniecrats and Hacks for Hillary).  Yes, some of Sanders’ supporters sometimes do dumb things.  That’s not an attack on all Berniecrats; it’s a criticism of the ones who are doing the dumb thing in question.  Same deal with Hillary apologists.

Be more careful of what you write comrade or next time you will be labeled enemy of the people.

Sanders is not Stalin, despite what you think.

Stalin wasn't a capitalist and considering that economics is the only issue that matters for some people, I'm not sure why socialists have a problem with Stalin. Didn't the Soviet Union just do what needed to be done to achieve economic balance for the people and keep corporations out?

Juat take a minute to read what you said and realise how monumentally idiotic it sounds.

I'm just using the logic that it seems a lot of socialists use which is that every problem is linked to economic class and nothing else. The communists in Russia got rid of the elitists to establish the USSR which was a closed economy where the means of production were owned by the state. I was under the impression that socialists thought that getting to a socialist economy was the top priority and that everything else was meaningless, but maybe the goalposts have been moved. Doesn't Stalin at least get some points for not being a corporatist?

He killed millions of people.

That isn't news. My point is that in politics some people are willing to overlook wrongdoing if a leader meets their ideological standards.

You are veering into some very, very, very strange and dangerous territory in comparing Sanders to Stalin. Are you saying Sanders wants to commit a genocide now? Throw people into work camps? Organise a secret police force?

I didn't compare him to anyone, it was you that mentioned Stalin and now you are accusing me of saying that the great Bernie is planning to commit crimes. All I stated is that it was surprising that a socialist took an issue with Stalin, because I thought anyone who wasn't a capitalist was super cool and off limits for criticism.

Then you are so beyond reason that it's not even worth engaging with you.

[Nightcore Nationalist]

Meanwhile RFKFan is bringing up bog-standard smears in a non-sequitur response to my post. How low can discourse on Atlas possibly go?

it was never particularly high. atlas is truly a reflection of society

We live in a society.

[GeneralMacArthur]

Note that it has now been several days since Clinton alleged that of Sanders senate colleagues, "nobody likes him."

Yet not a single senator has stepped forward to say "hey I actually do like Bernie Sanders."

And the campaign hasn't tried to refute the actual statement, perhaps by pointing out some senators that do like Bernie Sanders.  Instead, in typical Sanders campaign fashion, they've taken it out of context to pretend Hillary said that nobody at all like Sanders, which is obviously untrue and easy to mock.

The reason they had to do that is because it's true.  Nobody in the senate likes Bernie Sanders.  Maybe Elizabeth Warren used to but now he's alienated her as well.

[Young Conservative]

Hillary Clinton must be the least self aware and most out of touch person ever born.

[free my dawg]

Note that it has now been several days since Clinton alleged that of Sanders senate colleagues, "nobody likes him."

Yet not a single senator has stepped forward to say "hey I actually do like Bernie Sanders."

And the campaign hasn't tried to refute the actual statement, perhaps by pointing out some senators that do like Bernie Sanders.  Instead, in typical Sanders campaign fashion, they've taken it out of context to pretend Hillary said that nobody at all like Sanders, which is obviously untrue and easy to mock.

The reason they had to do that is because it's true.  Nobody in the senate likes Bernie Sanders.  Maybe Elizabeth Warren used to but now he's alienated her as well.

Warren actually called all of this a distraction from the real issues. Which has gotten a lot of flack, if anything, from the more cultish elements of my coalition.

She's not necessarily wrong. If you were smart, you would realize that every single day this is in the discussion makes Bernie look better.