Clinton says "nobody likes" Sanders and calls him a "career politician"

[GoTfan]

But listen people, it's only Sanders sjpporters who want to re-litigate the 2016 primary. Good to sse the usual suspects trot out their usual attacks as well.

Also, this is kinda hilarious because #ILikeBernie is now trending on Twitter.

[GoTfan]

https://twitter.com/pavanvan/status/1219739535476776961?s=20

Why are you so filled with hatred? It's not good for your health.

[GoTfan]

I'll note that this thread has like 100+ replies and I can't find any posts disputing the actual substance of what Hillary said:

A) Sanders has (virtually) no friends in the Senate, and never has

B) He's never accomplished anything of note

C) He is a "career politician"

Instead it's six pages of "shut your f***ing mouth, bitch, you lost and everyone hates you."

I can just point out that Sanders has won an election without having an office gift-wrapped for him. I also recall him working with McCain on the VA committee to get things done. He's also got more roll call amendments passed in a Rspublican congress than anyone else. I also severely question the judgement of anyone who voted for the Iraq War.

Clinton and her supporters need to stop rehashing 2016 just because Sanders had the sheer gall to run and didn't kiss her feet on request.

[GoTfan]

I'll note that this thread has like 100+ replies and I can't find any posts disputing the actual substance of what Hillary said:

A) Sanders has (virtually) no friends in the Senate, and never has

B) He's never accomplished anything of note

C) He is a "career politician"

Instead it's six pages of "shut your f***ing mouth, bitch, you lost and everyone hates you."

I can just point out that Sanders has won an election without having an office gift-wrapped for him. I also recall him working with McCain on the VA committee to get things done. He's also got more roll call amendments passed in a Rspublican congress than anyone else. I also severely question the judgement of anyone who voted for the Iraq War.

Clinton and her supporters need to stop rehashing 2016 just because Sanders had the sheer gall to run and didn't kiss her feet on request.

Literally the only part of that that's relevant to what Clinton actually said is the part about amendments and the bill he did with McCain.

That one bill is the only piece of legislation he's passed, in 40 years in Congress, that wasn't naming a post office.  Must have been a great bill though right?  No.  It's super basic and not even one page long.  You can read it for yourself: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/BILLS-113s893enr/pdf/BILLS-113s893enr.pdf

As for his amendments, can you name the best amendment he's written?  Let's say in the last ten years to keep it simple.  From what I've seen, all his amendments are either nitpicks or pointless mission statements, nothing that actually accomplished anything.

So while I respect that you're the first person in this thread to actually dispute what Clinton said, I don't think using a one-page bill and a bunch of do-nothing amendments as evidence of Sanders' productivity is a very good argument.

Please just let 2016 go. I understand you hate him becausehe dared to run when Hillary was supposed to be anointed or something, but just let this psychotic hatred go. Honestly, I am yet to see anything that disproves my belief that you'll vote for Trump if Sanders is nominated.

[GoTfan]

Bernie should be ashamed for 2016. Full stop.
But Clinton should let go of the past and do what is good for the country and not stir the pot as an influential public figure.
If the stakes weren’t so high, her behavior would be justified, but we can’t afford retribution right now. Our country is at risk right now, and any damage done with four more years of Trump will take decades to fully reverse.

Tbh Clinton should have either let all her anger against Bernie out in 2017 (as an “I told you so” to his supporters who voted third party) or not said anything at all. This was an emotionally charged decision when we can’t have those.

Yes, he should be ashamed of running for president against Hillary. How dare he sayanything negative.

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Jesus f***ing Christ, people, the 2016 primary fight was 4 years ago.  Why do any of you still care about re-litigating the stupid thing?  If you think Bernie got screwed, fine.  He’s got a real shot this year, so focus on winning over undecided/persuadable primary voters by making a positive case for Bernie.  Complaining about 2016 just makes Berniecrats sound like sore losers championing yesterday’s man.  Think Bernie is a self-righteous crank who lost fair and square?  Great, focus on trying to make a positive case for your preferred candidate because whining about 2016 will do nothing but reopen old wounds for no reason.  

Seriously, who even cares about the 2016 primaries anymore?  Bernie lost the nomination, Hillary lost the GE, and that’s that; blame or don’t blame whoever you want.  It happened and now it is what it is.  It’ll be hard enough for whoever gets nominated - be it Bernie, Pete, Biden, Warren, Bloomberg, or Klobouchar - without everyone getting in meaningless arguments about 2016.  /RantOver

Note: This isn’t directed at any particular poster or side.

It so clearly is that I’m insulted that you’d pretend it’s not.

No, it really isn’t.  But I’ll bite, who is it supposed to be directed at?

Your first paragraph could be easily translated as 'lol Bernie supporters dumb'.

It's not Sanders who's rehashing 2016, so stop pretending he is.

[GoTfan]

Jesus f***ing Christ, people, the 2016 primary fight was 4 years ago.  Why do any of you still care about re-litigating the stupid thing?  If you think Bernie got screwed, fine.  He’s got a real shot this year, so focus on winning over undecided/persuadable primary voters by making a positive case for Bernie.  Complaining about 2016 just makes Berniecrats sound like sore losers championing yesterday’s man.  Think Bernie is a self-righteous crank who lost fair and square?  Great, focus on trying to make a positive case for your preferred candidate because whining about 2016 will do nothing but reopen old wounds for no reason.  

Seriously, who even cares about the 2016 primaries anymore?  Bernie lost the nomination, Hillary lost the GE, and that’s that; blame or don’t blame whoever you want.  It happened and now it is what it is.  It’ll be hard enough for whoever gets nominated - be it Bernie, Pete, Biden, Warren, Bloomberg, or Klobouchar - without everyone getting in meaningless arguments about 2016.  /RantOver

Note: This isn’t directed at any particular poster or side.

It so clearly is that I’m insulted that you’d pretend it’s not.

No, it really isn’t.  But I’ll bite, who is it supposed to be directed at?

Your first paragraph could be easily translated as 'lol Bernie supporters dumb'.

It's not Sanders who's rehashing 2016, so stop pretending he is.

No, it’s “Bernie or Hillary supporters who try to re-litigate the 2016 primaries are being dumb and whining about something that simply doesn’t matter and I’m sick of it."  If you took that paragraph as an attack on one particular side then that might suggest a persecution complex on your part, because I didn’t even criticize Bernie Sanders in my post nor was I thinking about him when I wrote it.

Hillary was being dumb when she made the comments in question b/c all it does is make her sound like a petty, embittered sore loser and Sanders supporters who let themselves get all riled up about what she said are being dumb by freaking out just b/c some formerly influential has-been said something mean about Bernie.  It takes two to tango and no one comes out looking good when the 2016 primaries are re-litigated.

Maybe it’s just me, but I really don’t get the obsession with re-litigating the 2016 primaries when it won’t change anything.  I donated to and canvassed for Bernie’s campaign that cycle.  I enthusiastically voted for him in the primary and may well do so again this cycle if Pete loses Iowa.  Come to think of it, I’ve actually voted for him for President more than you have  I didn’t like Hillary then, can’t stand her now.  None of this is the point though.  The point is that re-litigating the 2016 primaries is counterproductive for the Democratic establishment and Bernie’s campaign alike.  

Except your first paragraphs literally singles out Sanders supporters.

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My first paragraph literally singles out people who think Bernie is a self-righteous crank who lost fair and square (i.e. Hillary hacks).  Also, I don’t single out Sanders supporters.  Plenty of Sanders supporters aren’t pointlessly obsessing over the 2016 primaries.  I have no quarrel with them.  

Anyway, the point is there are people being dumb in both camps (Berniecrats and Hacks for Hillary).  Yes, some of Sanders’ supporters sometimes do dumb things.  That’s not an attack on all Berniecrats; it’s a criticism of the ones who are doing the dumb thing in question.  Same deal with Hillary apologists.

Be more careful of what you write comrade or next time you will be labeled enemy of the people.

Sanders is not Stalin, despite what you think.

[GoTfan]

Preach Hillary! Bernie doesn't know how to coalition build, enforces insane purity tests, and hates the Democratic Party. He would be a terrible and ineffective President and a disaster for Democrats down ballot who would have to defend his ridiculous policies that he can't pay for. There was NO Bernie Sanders backed candidate that flipped a seat from red to blue in 2018. PERIODT.

Get over yourself mate.

A lot of csndidates won by backing Sanders-esque policies. Tim Walz was unapologetically in fvaour of two years of free public college. How many Democrats have signed on in support of Medicare for All? Andrew Cuomo has introduced four years of free public college in New York.

I have a list here if you'd like to continue.

[GoTfan]

One thing is for certain... Sanders will never beat Hillary Clinton. He lost his only chance in 2016. She will always be the victor over him.

 . . . She also lost to Trump.

[GoTfan]

My first paragraph literally singles out people who think Bernie is a self-righteous crank who lost fair and square (i.e. Hillary hacks).  Also, I don’t single out Sanders supporters.  Plenty of Sanders supporters aren’t pointlessly obsessing over the 2016 primaries.  I have no quarrel with them.  

Anyway, the point is there are people being dumb in both camps (Berniecrats and Hacks for Hillary).  Yes, some of Sanders’ supporters sometimes do dumb things.  That’s not an attack on all Berniecrats; it’s a criticism of the ones who are doing the dumb thing in question.  Same deal with Hillary apologists.

Be more careful of what you write comrade or next time you will be labeled enemy of the people.

Sanders is not Stalin, despite what you think.

Stalin wasn't a capitalist and considering that economics is the only issue that matters for some people, I'm not sure why socialists have a problem with Stalin. Didn't the Soviet Union just do what needed to be done to achieve economic balance for the people and keep corporations out?

Juat take a minute to read what you said and realise how monumentally idiotic it sounds.

[GoTfan]

My first paragraph literally singles out people who think Bernie is a self-righteous crank who lost fair and square (i.e. Hillary hacks).  Also, I don’t single out Sanders supporters.  Plenty of Sanders supporters aren’t pointlessly obsessing over the 2016 primaries.  I have no quarrel with them.  

Anyway, the point is there are people being dumb in both camps (Berniecrats and Hacks for Hillary).  Yes, some of Sanders’ supporters sometimes do dumb things.  That’s not an attack on all Berniecrats; it’s a criticism of the ones who are doing the dumb thing in question.  Same deal with Hillary apologists.

Be more careful of what you write comrade or next time you will be labeled enemy of the people.

Sanders is not Stalin, despite what you think.

Stalin wasn't a capitalist and considering that economics is the only issue that matters for some people, I'm not sure why socialists have a problem with Stalin. Didn't the Soviet Union just do what needed to be done to achieve economic balance for the people and keep corporations out?

Juat take a minute to read what you said and realise how monumentally idiotic it sounds.

I'm just using the logic that it seems a lot of socialists use which is that every problem is linked to economic class and nothing else. The communists in Russia got rid of the elitists to establish the USSR which was a closed economy where the means of production were owned by the state. I was under the impression that socialists thought that getting to a socialist economy was the top priority and that everything else was meaningless, but maybe the goalposts have been moved. Doesn't Stalin at least get some points for not being a corporatist?

Again, read over what you just typed and think on it for a second.

[GoTfan]

My first paragraph literally singles out people who think Bernie is a self-righteous crank who lost fair and square (i.e. Hillary hacks).  Also, I don’t single out Sanders supporters.  Plenty of Sanders supporters aren’t pointlessly obsessing over the 2016 primaries.  I have no quarrel with them.  

Anyway, the point is there are people being dumb in both camps (Berniecrats and Hacks for Hillary).  Yes, some of Sanders’ supporters sometimes do dumb things.  That’s not an attack on all Berniecrats; it’s a criticism of the ones who are doing the dumb thing in question.  Same deal with Hillary apologists.

Be more careful of what you write comrade or next time you will be labeled enemy of the people.

Sanders is not Stalin, despite what you think.

Stalin wasn't a capitalist and considering that economics is the only issue that matters for some people, I'm not sure why socialists have a problem with Stalin. Didn't the Soviet Union just do what needed to be done to achieve economic balance for the people and keep corporations out?

Juat take a minute to read what you said and realise how monumentally idiotic it sounds.

I'm just using the logic that it seems a lot of socialists use which is that every problem is linked to economic class and nothing else. The communists in Russia got rid of the elitists to establish the USSR which was a closed economy where the means of production were owned by the state. I was under the impression that socialists thought that getting to a socialist economy was the top priority and that everything else was meaningless, but maybe the goalposts have been moved. Doesn't Stalin at least get some points for not being a corporatist?

Again, read over what you just typed and think on it for a second.

I don't need to think it over. I'm going by the logic of people like you who place socialism and your political goals above all else.

Then your i pressi9n of the Left is . . . Very, very warped.

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He killed millions of people.

And you'll be surprised by how many people are in denial about that and consider it all a capitalist conspiracy to defame a great Communist leader.

I doubt Sanders supporters do, but you'll just go and dig up some obscure tweet from a persn thatno one outside of your anti-Sanders bubble hads ever heard of to prove me wrong.

My first paragraph literally singles out people who think Bernie is a self-righteous crank who lost fair and square (i.e. Hillary hacks).  Also, I don’t single out Sanders supporters.  Plenty of Sanders supporters aren’t pointlessly obsessing over the 2016 primaries.  I have no quarrel with them.  

Anyway, the point is there are people being dumb in both camps (Berniecrats and Hacks for Hillary).  Yes, some of Sanders’ supporters sometimes do dumb things.  That’s not an attack on all Berniecrats; it’s a criticism of the ones who are doing the dumb thing in question.  Same deal with Hillary apologists.

Be more careful of what you write comrade or next time you will be labeled enemy of the people.

Sanders is not Stalin, despite what you think.

Stalin wasn't a capitalist and considering that economics is the only issue that matters for some people, I'm not sure why socialists have a problem with Stalin. Didn't the Soviet Union just do what needed to be done to achieve economic balance for the people and keep corporations out?

Juat take a minute to read what you said and realise how monumentally idiotic it sounds.

I'm just using the logic that it seems a lot of socialists use which is that every problem is linked to economic class and nothing else. The communists in Russia got rid of the elitists to establish the USSR which was a closed economy where the means of production were owned by the state. I was under the impression that socialists thought that getting to a socialist economy was the top priority and that everything else was meaningless, but maybe the goalposts have been moved. Doesn't Stalin at least get some points for not being a corporatist?

He killed millions of people.

That isn't news. My point is that in politics some people are willing to overlook wrongdoing if a leader meets their ideological standards.

You are veering into some very, very, very strange and dangerous territory in comparing Sanders to Stalin. Are you saying Sanders wants to commit a genocide now? Throw people into work camps? Organise a secret police force?

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He killed millions of people.

And you'll be surprised by how many people are in denial about that and consider it all a capitalist conspiracy to defame a great Communist leader.

I doubt Sanders supporters do, but you'll just go and dig up some obscure tweet from a persn thatno one outside of your anti-Sanders bubble hads ever heard of to prove me wrong.

My first paragraph literally singles out people who think Bernie is a self-righteous crank who lost fair and square (i.e. Hillary hacks).  Also, I don’t single out Sanders supporters.  Plenty of Sanders supporters aren’t pointlessly obsessing over the 2016 primaries.  I have no quarrel with them.  

Anyway, the point is there are people being dumb in both camps (Berniecrats and Hacks for Hillary).  Yes, some of Sanders’ supporters sometimes do dumb things.  That’s not an attack on all Berniecrats; it’s a criticism of the ones who are doing the dumb thing in question.  Same deal with Hillary apologists.

Be more careful of what you write comrade or next time you will be labeled enemy of the people.

Sanders is not Stalin, despite what you think.

Stalin wasn't a capitalist and considering that economics is the only issue that matters for some people, I'm not sure why socialists have a problem with Stalin. Didn't the Soviet Union just do what needed to be done to achieve economic balance for the people and keep corporations out?

Juat take a minute to read what you said and realise how monumentally idiotic it sounds.

I'm just using the logic that it seems a lot of socialists use which is that every problem is linked to economic class and nothing else. The communists in Russia got rid of the elitists to establish the USSR which was a closed economy where the means of production were owned by the state. I was under the impression that socialists thought that getting to a socialist economy was the top priority and that everything else was meaningless, but maybe the goalposts have been moved. Doesn't Stalin at least get some points for not being a corporatist?

He killed millions of people.

That isn't news. My point is that in politics some people are willing to overlook wrongdoing if a leader meets their ideological standards.

You are veering into some very, very, very strange and dangerous territory in comparing Sanders to Stalin. Are you saying Sanders wants to commit a genocide now? Throw people into work camps? Organise a secret police force?

I didn't compare him to anyone, it was you that mentioned Stalin and now you are accusing me of saying that the great Bernie is planning to commit crimes. All I stated is that it was surprising that a socialist took an issue with Stalin, because I thought anyone who wasn't a capitalist was super cool and off limits for criticism.

Then you are so beyond reason that it's not even worth engaging with you.

[GoTfan]

Note that it has now been several days since Clinton alleged that of Sanders senate colleagues, "nobody likes him."

Yet not a single senator has stepped forward to say "hey I actually do like Bernie Sanders."

And the campaign hasn't tried to refute the actual statement, perhaps by pointing out some senators that do like Bernie Sanders.  Instead, in typical Sanders campaign fashion, they've taken it out of context to pretend Hillary said that nobody at all like Sanders, which is obviously untrue and easy to mock.

The reason they had to do that is because it's true.  Nobody in the senate likes Bernie Sanders.  Maybe Elizabeth Warren used to but now he's alienated her as well.

Or maybe they don't hold such petty grudges?

[GoTfan]

Every time she opens her mouth it's a good thing for Sanders and Trump

Hillary of all peple saying nobody likes him. LOL. Nobody likes you, moron.

When Hillary was in Congress she was liked by both sides. When she left she had high approval ratings. You are mispeaking. She was a more effective lawmaker than Bernie and she was in Congress a fraction of the time he was. She knows what she's talking about.

 . . . She also lost to Trump