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« on: January 21, 2020, 10:50:38 AM »

He has a reputation of being difficult to work with and thinking that his way is the only way. His supporters think he is this super nice person for some reason and they have zero evidence to support that.
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« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2020, 01:14:58 PM »

Sanders never, ever directly said he lost the primary which pretty much was fuel for his supporters to push the idea that he was cheated. He tweeted right before the election and practically said it was okay to vote for Trump. Hillary Clinton doesn't owe Sanders her endorsement or support. It doesn't matter anyway, because he would lose the general election to Trump should he be the nominee.
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« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2020, 01:34:19 PM »



This tweet right here was a fairly odd thing to say for someone who supposedly supported Clinton. It was almost as if he was encouraging his supporters to vote for Trump. He is a sneaky person and knew what he was posting. Clinton can say what she wants about him.
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« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2020, 01:40:14 PM »

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This tweet right here was a fairly odd thing to say for someone who supposedly supported Clinton. It was almost as if he was encouraging his supporters to vote for Trump. He is a sneaky person and knew what he was posting. Clinton can say what she wants about him.

It's called not insulting people who you want to win over. How thick can people be.

That's not what his intent was. Who tweets out that it's ok to vote for the opposition under any circumstances right before the election? That is totally absurd.
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« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2020, 01:43:17 PM »



This tweet right here was a fairly odd thing to say for someone who supposedly supported Clinton. It was almost as if he was encouraging his supporters to vote for Trump. He is a sneaky person and knew what he was posting. Clinton can say what she wants about him.

Saying that many of those who support Trump aren't racist or sexist isn't the same as saying Trump isn't racist or sexist. Plus, it's not like saying those who support Trump are horrible worked out too well for Clinton. Even if you believe that most of Trump's supporters are racist, that's not something you should explicitly say as a candidate.

Tweeting out anything right before the election that even implies that it is ok to vote for the opposition is wrong. Sanders is not that stupid.
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« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2020, 01:53:28 PM »


This tweet right here was a fairly odd thing to say for someone who supposedly supported Clinton. It was almost as if he was encouraging his supporters to vote for Trump. He is a sneaky person and knew what he was posting. Clinton can say what she wants about him.

Saying that many of those who support Trump aren't racist or sexist isn't the same as saying Trump isn't racist or sexist. Plus, it's not like saying those who support Trump are horrible worked out too well for Clinton. Even if you believe that most of Trump's supporters are racist, that's not something you should explicitly say as a candidate.

Tweeting out anything right before the election that even implies that it is ok to vote for the opposition is wrong. Sanders is not that stupid.

Saying that it's okay to vote for the opposition =/= Saying that people who do aren't racist or sexist

Maybe if Hillary had learned the same thing and humbled herself, she would be president right now.

Why was it necessary for him to say that? Voters know what their intentions are and don't need a politician to tell them anything. It was just an odd thing to tweet right before any election especially from someone who never really conceded that they lost the primary.
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« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2020, 01:55:44 PM »

She has absolutely no one to blame but herself for her humiliating loss in 2016. After 4 years, she still doesn't get it.

That's not even the point. The point is that Sanders has issues of his own and it isn't unfair to point that out. He's displayed moodiness and rudeness on camera and those things can add up with voters. With that said, Clinton has zero obligation to help his campaign or to be friends with him.
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« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2020, 02:02:31 PM »

She has absolutely no one to blame but herself for her humiliating loss in 2016. After 4 years, she still doesn't get it.

That's not even the point. The point is that Sanders has issues of his own and it isn't unfair to point that out. He's displayed moodiness and rudeness on camera and those things can add up with voters. With that said, Clinton has zero obligation to help his campaign or to be friends with him.
Delivered by a woman who shopped around for a Senate seat, who ruthlessly demonized Barack Obama in the 2008 primary, and who has stood as the foremost reminder of Democratic incompetence.

The fact that she is religitating these issues now is telling. I have not an ounce of respect left for her.

I don't think she ever claimed to be perfect, unlike Sanders who claims to be the best politicians ever who has never made a mistake in his life.

Nothing is being rehashed, because she didn't say he caused her to lose, she is putting truth out that about him that has been out there for a long time. He's a nasty diva who thinks he is better than everyone.
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« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2020, 02:05:18 PM »

She has absolutely no one to blame but herself for her humiliating loss in 2016. After 4 years, she still doesn't get it.

That's not even the point. The point is that Sanders has issues of his own and it isn't unfair to point that out. He's displayed moodiness and rudeness on camera and those things can add up with voters. With that said, Clinton has zero obligation to help his campaign or to be friends with him.

This just in: Voters hate it when politicians show human emotion.

When you have a clearly nasty personality and think you are superior to everyone else it's not a great trait in a candidate. There is a difference between emotion and just being a plain nasty.
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« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2020, 02:11:14 PM »


This tweet right here was a fairly odd thing to say for someone who supposedly supported Clinton. It was almost as if he was encouraging his supporters to vote for Trump. He is a sneaky person and knew what he was posting. Clinton can say what she wants about him.

Saying that many of those who support Trump aren't racist or sexist isn't the same as saying Trump isn't racist or sexist. Plus, it's not like saying those who support Trump are horrible worked out too well for Clinton. Even if you believe that most of Trump's supporters are racist, that's not something you should explicitly say as a candidate.

Tweeting out anything right before the election that even implies that it is ok to vote for the opposition is wrong. Sanders is not that stupid.

Saying that it's okay to vote for the opposition =/= Saying that people who do aren't racist or sexist

Maybe if Hillary had learned the same thing and humbled herself, she would be president right now.

Why was it necessary for him to say that? Voters know what their intentions are and don't need a politician to tell them anything. It was just an odd thing to tweet right before any election especially from someone who never really conceded that they lost the primary.

I don't know, I don't live inside his head.  Why did Hillary call her opponents' supporters deplorable?

Maybe because a lot of them are deplorable? The past three years have demonstrated that a lot of them are and many people have woken up to that fact.
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« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2020, 02:16:52 PM »


This tweet right here was a fairly odd thing to say for someone who supposedly supported Clinton. It was almost as if he was encouraging his supporters to vote for Trump. He is a sneaky person and knew what he was posting. Clinton can say what she wants about him.

Saying that many of those who support Trump aren't racist or sexist isn't the same as saying Trump isn't racist or sexist. Plus, it's not like saying those who support Trump are horrible worked out too well for Clinton. Even if you believe that most of Trump's supporters are racist, that's not something you should explicitly say as a candidate.

Tweeting out anything right before the election that even implies that it is ok to vote for the opposition is wrong. Sanders is not that stupid.

Saying that it's okay to vote for the opposition =/= Saying that people who do aren't racist or sexist

Maybe if Hillary had learned the same thing and humbled herself, she would be president right now.

Why was it necessary for him to say that? Voters know what their intentions are and don't need a politician to tell them anything. It was just an odd thing to tweet right before any election especially from someone who never really conceded that they lost the primary.

I don't know, I don't live inside his head.  Why did Hillary call her opponents' supporters deplorable?

Maybe because a lot of them are deplorable? The past three years have demonstrated that a lot of them are and many people have woken up to that fact.

And that, my friend, is why you lose.

Democrats aren't winning anyone who votes based on Trump's racist ramblings, period. The House flipped in 2018 because voters in swing states rejected extremism and hate. If you think Sanders would win this racists that marched in Charlottesville you need to rethink that.
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« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2020, 02:18:40 PM »


This tweet right here was a fairly odd thing to say for someone who supposedly supported Clinton. It was almost as if he was encouraging his supporters to vote for Trump. He is a sneaky person and knew what he was posting. Clinton can say what she wants about him.

Saying that many of those who support Trump aren't racist or sexist isn't the same as saying Trump isn't racist or sexist. Plus, it's not like saying those who support Trump are horrible worked out too well for Clinton. Even if you believe that most of Trump's supporters are racist, that's not something you should explicitly say as a candidate.

Tweeting out anything right before the election that even implies that it is ok to vote for the opposition is wrong. Sanders is not that stupid.

Saying that it's okay to vote for the opposition =/= Saying that people who do aren't racist or sexist

Maybe if Hillary had learned the same thing and humbled herself, she would be president right now.

Why was it necessary for him to say that? Voters know what their intentions are and don't need a politician to tell them anything. It was just an odd thing to tweet right before any election especially from someone who never really conceded that they lost the primary.

I don't know, I don't live inside his head.  Why did Hillary call her opponents' supporters deplorable?

Maybe because a lot of them are deplorable? The past three years have demonstrated that a lot of them are and many people have woken up to that fact.

tolerant left strikes again

That line is old. Nobody cares about it
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« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2020, 04:13:31 PM »



This is why I like Steyer.

Steyer seems to have some weird need to get Sanders to like him. He tried to speak to him and Sanders acted like Steyer was garbage. Sanders doesn't like him because of his wealth, but Steyer doesn't seem to realize that.
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« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2020, 07:42:02 PM »

If Sanders can't unify the party if he gets the nomination that is his problem, not Hillary Clinton's. She has not control over whether or not he can defeat Trump.
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« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2020, 06:58:43 PM »

My first paragraph literally singles out people who think Bernie is a self-righteous crank who lost fair and square (i.e. Hillary hacks).  Also, I don’t single out Sanders supporters.  Plenty of Sanders supporters aren’t pointlessly obsessing over the 2016 primaries.  I have no quarrel with them.  

Anyway, the point is there are people being dumb in both camps (Berniecrats and Hacks for Hillary).  Yes, some of Sanders’ supporters sometimes do dumb things.  That’s not an attack on all Berniecrats; it’s a criticism of the ones who are doing the dumb thing in question.  Same deal with Hillary apologists.

Be more careful of what you write comrade or next time you will be labeled enemy of the people.

Sanders is not Stalin, despite what you think.


Stalin wasn't a capitalist and considering that economics is the only issue that matters for some people, I'm not sure why socialists have a problem with Stalin. Didn't the Soviet Union just do what needed to be done to achieve economic balance for the people and keep corporations out?
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« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2020, 07:13:53 PM »

My first paragraph literally singles out people who think Bernie is a self-righteous crank who lost fair and square (i.e. Hillary hacks).  Also, I don’t single out Sanders supporters.  Plenty of Sanders supporters aren’t pointlessly obsessing over the 2016 primaries.  I have no quarrel with them.  

Anyway, the point is there are people being dumb in both camps (Berniecrats and Hacks for Hillary).  Yes, some of Sanders’ supporters sometimes do dumb things.  That’s not an attack on all Berniecrats; it’s a criticism of the ones who are doing the dumb thing in question.  Same deal with Hillary apologists.

Be more careful of what you write comrade or next time you will be labeled enemy of the people.

Sanders is not Stalin, despite what you think.


Stalin wasn't a capitalist and considering that economics is the only issue that matters for some people, I'm not sure why socialists have a problem with Stalin. Didn't the Soviet Union just do what needed to be done to achieve economic balance for the people and keep corporations out?

Juat take a minute to read what you said and realise how monumentally idiotic it sounds.

I'm just using the logic that it seems a lot of socialists use which is that every problem is linked to economic class and nothing else. The communists in Russia got rid of the elitists to establish the USSR which was a closed economy where the means of production were owned by the state. I was under the impression that socialists thought that getting to a socialist economy was the top priority and that everything else was meaningless, but maybe the goalposts have been moved. Doesn't Stalin at least get some points for not being a corporatist?
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« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2020, 10:16:07 PM »

My first paragraph literally singles out people who think Bernie is a self-righteous crank who lost fair and square (i.e. Hillary hacks).  Also, I don’t single out Sanders supporters.  Plenty of Sanders supporters aren’t pointlessly obsessing over the 2016 primaries.  I have no quarrel with them.  

Anyway, the point is there are people being dumb in both camps (Berniecrats and Hacks for Hillary).  Yes, some of Sanders’ supporters sometimes do dumb things.  That’s not an attack on all Berniecrats; it’s a criticism of the ones who are doing the dumb thing in question.  Same deal with Hillary apologists.

Be more careful of what you write comrade or next time you will be labeled enemy of the people.

Sanders is not Stalin, despite what you think.


Stalin wasn't a capitalist and considering that economics is the only issue that matters for some people, I'm not sure why socialists have a problem with Stalin. Didn't the Soviet Union just do what needed to be done to achieve economic balance for the people and keep corporations out?

Juat take a minute to read what you said and realise how monumentally idiotic it sounds.

I'm just using the logic that it seems a lot of socialists use which is that every problem is linked to economic class and nothing else. The communists in Russia got rid of the elitists to establish the USSR which was a closed economy where the means of production were owned by the state. I was under the impression that socialists thought that getting to a socialist economy was the top priority and that everything else was meaningless, but maybe the goalposts have been moved. Doesn't Stalin at least get some points for not being a corporatist?

Again, read over what you just typed and think on it for a second.

I don't need to think it over. I'm going by the logic of people like you who place socialism and your political goals above all else.
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« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2020, 02:24:48 AM »

My first paragraph literally singles out people who think Bernie is a self-righteous crank who lost fair and square (i.e. Hillary hacks).  Also, I don’t single out Sanders supporters.  Plenty of Sanders supporters aren’t pointlessly obsessing over the 2016 primaries.  I have no quarrel with them.  

Anyway, the point is there are people being dumb in both camps (Berniecrats and Hacks for Hillary).  Yes, some of Sanders’ supporters sometimes do dumb things.  That’s not an attack on all Berniecrats; it’s a criticism of the ones who are doing the dumb thing in question.  Same deal with Hillary apologists.

Be more careful of what you write comrade or next time you will be labeled enemy of the people.

Sanders is not Stalin, despite what you think.


Stalin wasn't a capitalist and considering that economics is the only issue that matters for some people, I'm not sure why socialists have a problem with Stalin. Didn't the Soviet Union just do what needed to be done to achieve economic balance for the people and keep corporations out?

Juat take a minute to read what you said and realise how monumentally idiotic it sounds.

I'm just using the logic that it seems a lot of socialists use which is that every problem is linked to economic class and nothing else. The communists in Russia got rid of the elitists to establish the USSR which was a closed economy where the means of production were owned by the state. I was under the impression that socialists thought that getting to a socialist economy was the top priority and that everything else was meaningless, but maybe the goalposts have been moved. Doesn't Stalin at least get some points for not being a corporatist?

He killed millions of people.

That isn't news. My point is that in politics some people are willing to overlook wrongdoing if a leader meets their ideological standards.
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« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2020, 10:13:57 AM »


And you'll be surprised by how many people are in denial about that and consider it all a capitalist conspiracy to defame a great Communist leader.

I doubt Sanders supporters do, but you'll just go and dig up some obscure tweet from a persn thatno one outside of your anti-Sanders bubble hads ever heard of to prove me wrong.

My first paragraph literally singles out people who think Bernie is a self-righteous crank who lost fair and square (i.e. Hillary hacks).  Also, I don’t single out Sanders supporters.  Plenty of Sanders supporters aren’t pointlessly obsessing over the 2016 primaries.  I have no quarrel with them.  

Anyway, the point is there are people being dumb in both camps (Berniecrats and Hacks for Hillary).  Yes, some of Sanders’ supporters sometimes do dumb things.  That’s not an attack on all Berniecrats; it’s a criticism of the ones who are doing the dumb thing in question.  Same deal with Hillary apologists.

Be more careful of what you write comrade or next time you will be labeled enemy of the people.

Sanders is not Stalin, despite what you think.


Stalin wasn't a capitalist and considering that economics is the only issue that matters for some people, I'm not sure why socialists have a problem with Stalin. Didn't the Soviet Union just do what needed to be done to achieve economic balance for the people and keep corporations out?

Juat take a minute to read what you said and realise how monumentally idiotic it sounds.

I'm just using the logic that it seems a lot of socialists use which is that every problem is linked to economic class and nothing else. The communists in Russia got rid of the elitists to establish the USSR which was a closed economy where the means of production were owned by the state. I was under the impression that socialists thought that getting to a socialist economy was the top priority and that everything else was meaningless, but maybe the goalposts have been moved. Doesn't Stalin at least get some points for not being a corporatist?

He killed millions of people.

That isn't news. My point is that in politics some people are willing to overlook wrongdoing if a leader meets their ideological standards.

You are veering into some very, very, very strange and dangerous territory in comparing Sanders to Stalin. Are you saying Sanders wants to commit a genocide now? Throw people into work camps? Organise a secret police force?

I didn't compare him to anyone, it was you that mentioned Stalin and now you are accusing me of saying that the great Bernie is planning to commit crimes. All I stated is that it was surprising that a socialist took an issue with Stalin, because I thought anyone who wasn't a capitalist was super cool and off limits for criticism.
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