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« on: January 24, 2020, 09:54:40 PM »

If Canada was a part of the United States, who would represent each province in the U.S. Senate?
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« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2020, 11:40:54 PM »

Alberta and Saskatchewan = 2 GOP senators.
British Columbia and Manitoba = 1 GOP senator, 1 DEM senator.
Every other state/province = 2 DEM senators.
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« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2020, 11:50:21 PM »

British Columbia: Carole James (D), Christy Clark (R)
Alberta: Jason Kenney (R), Rona Ambrose (R)
Saskatchewan: Andrew Scheer (R), Brad Wall (R)
Manitoba: Gary Doer (D), Candice Bergen (R)
Ontario: Ken Dryden (D), Gerard Kennedy (D)
Quebec: Marc Garneau (D), Denis Coderre (D)
Newfoundland & Labrador: Clyde Wells (D), Brian Tobin (D)
New Brunswick: Frank McKenna (D), Dominic LeBlanc (D)
Nova Scotia: Scott Brison (D), Stephen McNeil (D)
Prince Edward Island: Robert Ghiz (D), Peter Bevan-Baker (D)
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« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2020, 12:42:41 AM »

British Columbia: Carole James (D), Christy Clark (R)
Alberta: Jason Kenney (R), Rona Ambrose (R)
Saskatchewan: Andrew Scheer (R), Brad Wall (R)
Manitoba: Gary Doer (D), Candice Bergen (R)
Ontario: Ken Dryden (D), Gerard Kennedy (D)
Quebec: Marc Garneau (D), Denis Coderre (D)
Newfoundland & Labrador: Clyde Wells (D), Brian Tobin (D)
New Brunswick: Frank McKenna (D), Dominic LeBlanc (D)
Nova Scotia: Scott Brison (D), Stephen McNeil (D)
Prince Edward Island: Robert Ghiz (D), Peter Bevan-Baker (D)
Alberta and Saskatchewan = 2 GOP senators.
British Columbia and Manitoba = 1 GOP senator, 1 DEM senator.
Every other state/province = 2 DEM senators.

In a two-party American system, I can almost guarantee 2 Democratic senators out of British Columbia. It is widely regarded as the most progressive province.
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« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2020, 12:49:49 AM »

British Columbia: Carole James (D), Christy Clark (R)
Alberta: Jason Kenney (R), Rona Ambrose (R)
Saskatchewan: Andrew Scheer (R), Brad Wall (R)
Manitoba: Gary Doer (D), Candice Bergen (R)
Ontario: Ken Dryden (D), Gerard Kennedy (D)
Quebec: Marc Garneau (D), Denis Coderre (D)
Newfoundland & Labrador: Clyde Wells (D), Brian Tobin (D)
New Brunswick: Frank McKenna (D), Dominic LeBlanc (D)
Nova Scotia: Scott Brison (D), Stephen McNeil (D)
Prince Edward Island: Robert Ghiz (D), Peter Bevan-Baker (D)
Alberta and Saskatchewan = 2 GOP senators.
British Columbia and Manitoba = 1 GOP senator, 1 DEM senator.
Every other state/province = 2 DEM senators.

In a two-party American system, I can almost guarantee 2 Democratic senators out of British Columbia. It is widely regarded as the most progressive province.

Than why Does BC vote Tory most of the time in Federal Electons
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« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2020, 12:54:26 AM »

British Columbia: Carole James (D), Christy Clark (R)
Alberta: Jason Kenney (R), Rona Ambrose (R)
Saskatchewan: Andrew Scheer (R), Brad Wall (R)
Manitoba: Gary Doer (D), Candice Bergen (R)
Ontario: Ken Dryden (D), Gerard Kennedy (D)
Quebec: Marc Garneau (D), Denis Coderre (D)
Newfoundland & Labrador: Clyde Wells (D), Brian Tobin (D)
New Brunswick: Frank McKenna (D), Dominic LeBlanc (D)
Nova Scotia: Scott Brison (D), Stephen McNeil (D)
Prince Edward Island: Robert Ghiz (D), Peter Bevan-Baker (D)
Alberta and Saskatchewan = 2 GOP senators.
British Columbia and Manitoba = 1 GOP senator, 1 DEM senator.
Every other state/province = 2 DEM senators.

In a two-party American system, I can almost guarantee 2 Democratic senators out of British Columbia. It is widely regarded as the most progressive province.

Than why Does BC vote Tory most of the time in Federal Electons

BC has a very strong NDP and Green Party presence that leads to massive splits on the left leading to higher Tory numbers generally. If Senators were elected in a two-party system like the US, they would have a tough time overcoming this, but perhaps a moderate like Christy Clark could... hard to imagine in a Trump Republican scenario.
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« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2020, 01:33:06 AM »

British Columbia: Carole James (D), Christy Clark (R)
Alberta: Jason Kenney (R), Rona Ambrose (R)
Saskatchewan: Andrew Scheer (R), Brad Wall (R)
Manitoba: Gary Doer (D), Candice Bergen (R)
Ontario: Ken Dryden (D), Gerard Kennedy (D)
Quebec: Marc Garneau (D), Denis Coderre (D)
Newfoundland & Labrador: Clyde Wells (D), Brian Tobin (D)
New Brunswick: Frank McKenna (D), Dominic LeBlanc (D)
Nova Scotia: Scott Brison (D), Stephen McNeil (D)
Prince Edward Island: Robert Ghiz (D), Peter Bevan-Baker (D)

Kenney and McNeil are premiers, so they’d probably be their “state”’s governors right now.

Christy Clark would not be senator, BC would be heavily Democratic.
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« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2020, 02:29:04 AM »

British Columbia: Carole James (D), Kennedy Stewart (D)
This would be pretty polarized between east and west of Cascades, much like neighboring Washington state.

Alberta: Naheed Nenshi (D), Doug Schweitzer (R)
Alberta would be pretty competitive in the post-2008 world, with massive GOP margins in rural areas being outweighed by the D lean of Edmonton and the increasing swinginess of Calgary. But it would remain more Republican than Democratic.

Saskatchewan: Andrew Scheer (R), Brad Wall (R)
Saskatchewan would have many similarities to neighboring Montana or North Dakota, likely electing Democrats on many levels until the 2010 red wave and likely voting out a Democratic incumbent in 2018. Trump would play well here, though not as well as in prairie regions to the south.

Manitoba: Gary Doer (D), Niki Ashton (D)
Manitoba would be, on many levels, simply a carbon copy of Minnesota, except with a greater population concentration in its capital region. Though it'd be fairly favorable to Trump in 2016 it'd likely swing back in 2020 rather easily, assuming the broader upper MW swings back (I wouldn't necessarily take that as a given, mind).

Ontario: Brad Duguid (D), Harinder Takhar (D)
Ontario would be heavily split along regional lines. Northern Ontario would be like the Iron Range, Southern Ontario would behave like Illinois, taken as a whole, with the 416 taking the role of Chicago itself and the 905 being like the suburbs of the city. Ontario, while it would swing in Trump's favor slightly due to the North and the areas outside metro Toronto (especially Windsor and Niagara Falls) going towards him massively vis a vis Romney, would likely be a massive headache, especially in the 905, which would have a long history as a GOP-favoring area swinging blue. These trends would become more than clear in 2016 with them likely voting out a GOP senator.

Quebec: Marc Garneau (D), Manon Masse (D)
The Le Belle Province is, more than any other, a black box, but it remains likelier to vote D than R. In general its political party system might birth a third party a la the Minnesota farmers party in the 20s and 30s. Quebec would likely swing towards Trump in 2016 especially due to how his very nomination was a rejection of the conservative movements that had dominated the party for decades and the fact that his platform was more in line with the province than any GOPer in recent memory. Regardless, when push comes to shove, Quebec would sooner vote with Vermont than with Alabama, and the Religious Right would be very unpopular here.

Newfoundland & Labrador: Kathy Dunderdale (R), Danny Williams (I)
This area just screams relatively Trumpist-friendly territory, filled with people who felt that they were "too poor to vote Republican" in 2012 and whom would like Trump's rhetorically populist message in 2016. It, in most respects, would simply be Maine farther north, with a GOP woman with a moderate image as one of its senators and a colorful independent as its other one. Elsie Wayne is also up there as one of the people who probably served it as a senator, likely as a Republican but also potentially as an Independent.

New Brunswick: Bernard Lord (R), Dominic LeBlanc (D)
Here there is likely to be some sort of polarization between Francophones and Anglophones, but overall the picture would be similar to N&L. Both its senators would have a reputation for moderation.

Nova Scotia: Scott Brison (D), Graham Steele (D)
Nova Scotia would be the most Democratic state in the region, with Halifax returning good results for Democrats and being evenmoreso like this with the passage of time. It would behave less like Maine and more like Rhode Island, though it would retain many aspects of both. However, like other Maritime Provinces, it would have among the largest pro-Trump swings in the country, and it voting for Trump, while unlikely, is far from entirely unimaginable.

Prince Edward Island: Robert Ghiz (D), Sean Casey (D)
This would be the most pro-Trump province in Atlantic Canada and is a very conceivable Trump flip, for much the same reasons inland Maine flipped. While both its senators would likely be Democrats, this is a very shaky and marginal guess and it electing a Republican in 2018 is fairly likely.
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« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2020, 10:32:48 AM »
« Edited: January 25, 2020, 12:38:18 PM by brucejoel99 »

British Columbia: Carole James (D), Christy Clark (R)
Alberta: Jason Kenney (R), Rona Ambrose (R)
Saskatchewan: Andrew Scheer (R), Brad Wall (R)
Manitoba: Gary Doer (D), Candice Bergen (R)
Ontario: Ken Dryden (D), Gerard Kennedy (D)
Quebec: Marc Garneau (D), Denis Coderre (D)
Newfoundland & Labrador: Clyde Wells (D), Brian Tobin (D)
New Brunswick: Frank McKenna (D), Dominic LeBlanc (D)
Nova Scotia: Scott Brison (D), Stephen McNeil (D)
Prince Edward Island: Robert Ghiz (D), Peter Bevan-Baker (D)

Kenney and McNeil are premiers, so they’d probably be their “state”’s governors right now.

Christy Clark would not be senator, BC would be heavily Democratic.

If Canada were a part of the U.S. &, thus, had a very different political history, then I can assure you that, at the very least, some career paths would've diverged from where they currently are, i.e. Kenney perhaps thinking that running for Senate would be better than running for "Governor" if his goal is to stay politically relevant, & McNeil running for Senate after having been re-elected as "Governor." In actuality, the butterfly effect would be so massive that the Canadian Senators would likely be people that we've never even heard of, but this is keeping it simple for the sake of the thread's interestingness.

And as for Christy Clark, she's basically a literal equivalent of Susan Collins in this hypothetical.

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« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2020, 11:54:33 AM »

This question is very dependent on if we’re talking Canada always having been part of the US or today’s Canada joining in the US.

The former would be interesting, but the latter would be answered simply with “everything Safe D”
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« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2020, 12:37:37 PM »

This question is very dependent on if we’re talking Canada always having been part of the US or today’s Canada joining in the US.

The former would be interesting, but the latter would be answered simply with “everything Safe D”

Alberta: *visible confusion*
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« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2020, 03:18:55 PM »

This question is very dependent on if we’re talking Canada always having been part of the US or today’s Canada joining in the US.

The former would be interesting, but the latter would be answered simply with “everything Safe D”

Alberta: *visible confusion*

Alberta would probably be Safe D too tbh. Even Albertan conservative (voters at least) are very different from American conservatives.
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« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2020, 03:41:07 PM »

This question is very dependent on if we’re talking Canada always having been part of the US or today’s Canada joining in the US.

The former would be interesting, but the latter would be answered simply with “everything Safe D”

Alberta: *visible confusion*

Alberta would probably be Safe D too tbh. Even Albertan conservative (voters at least) are very different from American conservatives.

Their brand of conservatism seems similar to Montana or Wyoming - more libertarian than Bible-thumping. If Alberta was a state it would be Safe R at the presidential level, but I could see it electing Tester/Bullock/Heitkamp-type Democrats as governors and senators. At the same time, the oil industry there would make it trend R like North Dakota because of all the young conservatives moving in.
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« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2020, 12:00:49 AM »

I have no predictions, but this thread makes me wish we had the courage to just invade Canada and get rid of Mitch McConnell that way. Probably would be the easiest route tbh
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