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greenforest32
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« on: August 04, 2011, 05:28:17 PM »

The Republican National Committee is considering officially opposing the National Popular Vote:

This would officially make the National Popular Vote a partisan issue, and would IMO sink its chances in the medium term (next 10 to 20 years).


Sigh. These guys are almost always against good ideas and for bad ones. Hope the resolution fails.
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greenforest32
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« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2013, 09:46:55 PM »

There really hasn't been any action on this since 2011 and the Oregon state house just passed it 38-21: http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Ore-House-backs-popular-vote-to-elect-president-4445731.php

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I don't see the compact hitting 270 EVs in 2016 if it's only Democrats pushing it. There's too many Republican state legislatures or Republican Governors that would veto it like in NV/NM/etc (Arnold vetoed it twice in California) for that to happen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact#Currently_active_bills
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greenforest32
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« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2013, 04:11:47 AM »

Doesn't look like it's going to pass in Oregon this year: http://www.oregonlive.com/mapes/index.ssf/2013/06/national_popular_vote_founder.html

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greenforest32
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« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2013, 11:34:13 PM »

This would make elections much, much fairer. I can sum it up in a couple points.

-Whoever gets the most votes, wins. (Does this not make sense to anyone? Is it fair that someone who got less votes than an opponent should win?)

-Every vote will have an impact in the election, not just the swing states. (cough, Ohio, cough.)

-It will almost entirely eliminate the practice of "pork barreling" e.g. giving undue attention to swing states in order to better your political party's standing.

-Every person's vote weighs the same, so Californians don't have to have barely a quarter of the voting power of a person from Wyoming.

When most people's votes don't matter at all (just look at all the states where the political parties didn't spend any money), you no longer live in a democracy, where every person's voice should count.

If you think a proportionally representational system doesn't work, all you have to do is look at, say, Sweden. Why would people want to stick with an Industrial revolution aged voting system like the Electoral College?

Not to mention it reduces the hidden incentive to suppress the vote by greatly reducing the relative power of said tactic. By placing the electoral vote above the popular vote there is no drawback to winning a state's electoral votes with a turn-out of 30% vs 50% vs 70% where as if there's a national popular vote, it's the raw winning margin of total votes that decides the election so winning Texas 57%-41% with the state having a voting-eligible population turn-out of 54% won't be as good/important as winning Texas 57%-41% with turn-out of 70%+.

Consider that in 2012 Democrats had a winning vote margin of 3m in California, ~2m in New York, and ~880k in Illinois while Republicans had a winning vote margin of 1.26m in Texas, ~500k in Tennessee, and ~490k in Utah. Of course I recognize that there's population differences but the point is that with the national popular vote, you have to win the votes of people as opposed to the "votes of states" and that means votes in one state are worth as much as votes in any other state irrespective of said states' population.

That's different than how it is currently with the Electoral College because the relative "worth" of a state's population is automatically tied to its electoral votes, regardless of how many people actually turn-out. So Texas is worth 7% in an election (38/538 EC votes) regardless of how many people vote. By going to the popular vote you eliminate that disconnect and then have an incentive to expand the electorate with things like automatic/same-day voter registration and early voting because candidates won't be chasing arbitrary geographic-based votes (Electoral votes), they will be trying to win more universal votes (the popular vote).

In a 50/50-ish state that could easily decide the election because of its relative position, Florida Republicans are far more concerned with maintaining the state's felony disenfranchisement that blocks 10% of the state's electorate (and 23% of the state's blacks) from the polls than they are of expanding the electorate with increased voting rights.

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I presume that you are also then in favor of going to direct elections for PM of Canada (or Governor General?) based on your avatar.

If not, then wouldn't US electors elected by district, who then select a president based on the majority party, be equivalent to MPs determining who the prime minister should be based on the majority party? Certainly it's possible that the PM's party could have fewer total votes than the runner-up party as long as they win a majority of seats.

It's more likely the US abolishes/nullifies the Electoral College than it is that we adopt a parliamentary system and I doubt people who favor the US adopting the national popular vote would favor switching to a PM appointed by a party elected under first-past-the-post.
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greenforest32
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« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2013, 12:18:35 AM »
« Edited: July 13, 2013, 12:31:10 AM by greenforest32 »

The NPVIC has now passed both Houses of the Rhode Island Legislature. It has the support of Governor Chafee.

The New York Assembly also recently passed the NPVIC 100-40. The NY Senate has overwhelmingly voted in favour of it in previous sessions. If it takes up the bill again, I have a hard time not seeing it become law in New York.

If you add Rhode Island and New York, the compact will be up to 165 electoral votes. However, I think if it's ever to actually take effect, it's going to need to be passed in some Republican states.

Rhode Island officially joins the compact as Gov. Chafee signs the bill: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/52462434/ns/local_news-providence_ri/

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The aforementioned Oregon bill died in the state senate (think the same happened in NY). Kitzhaber supports it and Democrats may net a state senate seat or two in 2014 so it could be back in 2015.

The compact definitely isn't happening by 2016 at this pace.
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greenforest32
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« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2014, 12:16:44 AM »

The NY legislature just approved the compact.

http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/albany/2014/03/8542603/legislature-approves-national-popular-vote

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greenforest32
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« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2014, 02:16:53 AM »

Cuomo signed it: http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/04/15/gov-andrew-cuomo-signs-national-popular-vote-bill/

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greenforest32
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« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2014, 02:42:14 PM »

I'm pretty sure voter turn-out influences their opposition as well. Just in the last few years we've seen Republicans vote to keep ex-felons disenfranchised, cut early/weekend/absentee voting, repeal same-day registration, oppose automatic voter registration, etc.

When you have a national popular vote it's theoretically possible to offset those reductions in other states which is different than how it is now; under the current system of state > people an adoption of same-day registration in Connecticut and California cannot offset a repeal of it in Ohio and North Carolina. The Electoral College indirectly empowers voter suppression.
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