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« on: May 16, 2006, 04:10:42 PM »

College Recruitment for the Military Protection Bill


1. No college or university funded by the state shall be permitted to prohibit recruiters from the United States Military to recruit on campus.
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« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2006, 04:13:23 PM »

FWIW, I think this policy was abolished last year by then-Senator Q when he motioned to repeal the Solomon Amendment (and it passed).
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« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2006, 04:14:53 PM »

FWIW, I think this policy was abolished last year by then-Senator Q when he motioned to repeal the Solomon Amendment (and it passed).

Yes I know. And Sec. of Defense Akno21 has written this and I support it.
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« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2006, 04:20:18 PM »

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The question is on the above amendment. All those in favor, say Aye; those opposed, say No.

Aye - 6 (MasterJedi, True Democrat, Defarge, PBrunsel, Ebowed, Q)
Abstain - 1 (DanielX)
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« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2006, 04:20:56 PM »

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Aye - 6 (MasterJedi, True Democrat, Defarge, PBrunsel, Ebowed, Q)
Abstain - 1 (DanielX)

Yes I know, I shouldn't have voted for it.
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« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2006, 04:23:10 PM »

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The question is on the above amendment. All those in favor, say Aye; those opposed, say No.

Aye - 6 (MasterJedi, True Democrat, Defarge, PBrunsel, Ebowed, Q)
Abstain - 1 (DanielX)

Yes I know, I shouldn't have voted for it.

I see.  Well I haven't really changed my opinion on the issue since casting that Senate vote, if you catch my drift.
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« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2006, 04:25:14 PM »

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The question is on the above amendment. All those in favor, say Aye; those opposed, say No.

Aye - 6 (MasterJedi, True Democrat, Defarge, PBrunsel, Ebowed, Q)
Abstain - 1 (DanielX)

Yes I know, I shouldn't have voted for it.

I see.  Well I haven't really changed my opinion on the issue since casting that Senate vote, if you catch my drift.

As long as we get 7 votes that doesn't matter. Tongue
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« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2006, 04:29:45 PM »

I'm going to need a justification for this, as it's not immediately obvious why we should force all colleges and universities to allow military recruiters.
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« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2006, 04:39:31 PM »

I have a few problems with this bill.

To begin with, I do not believe that the government should be able to create a regulation such as this for private universities.  This bill makes no distinction between private and public universities.

Also, universities are usually regulated by states.  I do not believe that we, being at the federal level, should create these regulations.

I, therefore, lean in opposition of this bill.
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« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2006, 04:43:49 PM »

I have a few problems with this bill.

To begin with, I do not believe that the government should be able to create a regulation such as this for private universities.  This bill makes no distinction between private and public universities.

Also, universities are usually regulated by states.  I do not believe that we, being at the federal level, should create these regulations.

I, therefore, lean in opposition of this bill.

I lean in opposition too, but more because of the question "should we do this?" than of the question "can we do this?".  You raise good points, though.
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« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2006, 06:26:31 PM »

This bill makes no distinction between private and public universities.

Private universities usually aren't funded by the state and if they are they should be able to be controlled by the state as well.
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« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2006, 06:42:33 PM »

Devolving more powers to local schools who know their own local needs makes more sense than forcing them to love military recruiters.

Besides, what if a school bans military recruiters for their own safety, like if there's some SEKRET PLOT!!!! against them or something, but they're not allowed to learn about it?

A bit farfetched, I know Tongue but eh.
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« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2006, 08:05:54 PM »

Vote against this.
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« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2006, 08:08:26 PM »


I'm going to need an exceptionally good reason in favor of this from its supporters in order not to do so.
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« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2006, 12:26:05 AM »

FWIW, I think this policy was abolished last year by then-Senator Q when he motioned to repeal the Solomon Amendment (and it passed).

An excellent accomplishment for Atlasia, I might add. Smiley  I hope that the Senate will not choose to effectively reverse its previous course of action.
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« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2006, 02:53:56 PM »

Right now, I think I support this act. Univeristies and colleges that are publically funded must also be subject to relevant government programs. I don't think it is fair that a public institution should bar public servants from doing their business on their grounds.
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« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2006, 02:57:32 PM »

Right now, I think I support this act. Univeristies and colleges that are publically funded must also be subject to relevant government programs. I don't think it is fair that a public institution should bar public servants from doing their business on their grounds.

This is quite true.  However, this act makes no distinction between public and private universities.
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« Reply #17 on: May 18, 2006, 03:01:50 PM »

Right now, I think I support this act. Univeristies and colleges that are publically funded must also be subject to relevant government programs. I don't think it is fair that a public institution should bar public servants from doing their business on their grounds.

This is quite true.  However, this act makes no distinction between public and private universities.

It mentions "funded by the state". I take this as meaning it is referring to public institutions.
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« Reply #18 on: May 18, 2006, 03:07:09 PM »

It's not as if this bill forces students to join the military. All that we are trying to do here is reach a large number of possible applicants. Recruitment numbers have fallen in recent years, and if we want to be able to intervene in foreign affairs if neccessary, we need to have a military with the man power to  conduct operations in places spanning the globe. I do not see why, for state funded universities, we cannot try to persuade people to help protect their own country. This is not some sort of draft in any way, shape, or form. It's just an expansion of recruitment, and such an effort is badly needed at this time.

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« Reply #19 on: May 18, 2006, 03:08:17 PM »

So, by state, do you mean "region" or "government" in general? I'm a little unclear; it seems like this bill is saying that schools fully funded by the regional/state governments (as opposed to the federal) are subject to federal regulations.

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So, is this a constitutional amendment?
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« Reply #20 on: May 18, 2006, 04:20:57 PM »

Right now, I think I support this act. Univeristies and colleges that are publically funded must also be subject to relevant government programs. I don't think it is fair that a public institution should bar public servants from doing their business on their grounds.

Why would we give military recruiters free reign to pick and choose which college or university they want to recruit at while not giving the college and universities free reign over whether or not they want to allow them?  The military is as much a public institution as public colleges and universities.
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« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2006, 04:26:42 PM »

Right now, I think I support this act. Univeristies and colleges that are publically funded must also be subject to relevant government programs. I don't think it is fair that a public institution should bar public servants from doing their business on their grounds.

Why would we give military recruiters free reign to pick and choose which college or university they want to recruit at while not giving the college and universities free reign over whether or not they want to allow them?  The military is as much a public institution as public colleges and universities.

Because when we pay for the publically funded colleges and universities that makes us have a say in what can/can't be allowed.
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« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2006, 04:42:26 PM »

As long as a school is funded by the state the military should have access to youth for recruitment. As Secretary Akno pointed out, recruitment numbers are down and I feel that it school recruiting is perfectly acceptable as long as it is done in a proper, no-pressure manner.
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« Reply #23 on: May 18, 2006, 04:55:09 PM »

Right now, I think I support this act. Univeristies and colleges that are publically funded must also be subject to relevant government programs. I don't think it is fair that a public institution should bar public servants from doing their business on their grounds.

Why would we give military recruiters free reign to pick and choose which college or university they want to recruit at while not giving the college and universities free reign over whether or not they want to allow them?  The military is as much a public institution as public colleges and universities.

Because when we pay for the publically funded colleges and universities that makes us have a say in what can/can't be allowed.

First, is it not true that the regions pay for universities, not the federal government?

Second, I am not arguing that the federal government can't do this (that's another story), but that it shouldn't.

This is probably going to pass, but I'm still not voting for it.
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« Reply #24 on: May 18, 2006, 07:09:59 PM »

Right now, I think I support this act. Univeristies and colleges that are publically funded must also be subject to relevant government programs. I don't think it is fair that a public institution should bar public servants from doing their business on their grounds.

Why would we give military recruiters free reign to pick and choose which college or university they want to recruit at while not giving the college and universities free reign over whether or not they want to allow them?  The military is as much a public institution as public colleges and universities.

If universities are acting independent from eachother in making rules in regards to federal institutions, it undermines the purpose of federal funding altogether. The government has an equal jurisdiction over all public universities, and therefore when it comes to another federal department, it should not let one university be better or worse than another.

Another thing, this may encourage recruiters to targer poorer areas less as there will be more incentive to students of higer classes. I caution however this may just be a possibility and not a reality. 
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