College Recruitment for the Military Protection Bill

[jerusalemcar5]

Right now, I think I support this act. Univeristies and colleges that are publically funded must also be subject to relevant government programs. I don't think it is fair that a public institution should bar public servants from doing their business on their grounds.

Why would we give military recruiters free reign to pick and choose which college or university they want to recruit at while not giving the college and universities free reign over whether or not they want to allow them?  The military is as much a public institution as public colleges and universities.

If universities are acting independent from eachother in making rules in regards to federal institutions, it undermines the purpose of federal funding altogether. The government has an equal jurisdiction over all public universities, and therefore when it comes to another federal department, it should not let one university be better or worse than another.

Another thing, this may encourage recruiters to targer poorer areas less as there will be more incentive to students of higer classes. I caution however this may just be a possibility and not a reality. 

Actually public universities tend to service lower to lower middle class students.  Sometimes, it is the first time someone in the family has gone to college.  Recruiters there sends the message that the military is more important.  It isn't.

[Hatman 🍁]

Right now, I think I support this act. Univeristies and colleges that are publically funded must also be subject to relevant government programs. I don't think it is fair that a public institution should bar public servants from doing their business on their grounds.

Why would we give military recruiters free reign to pick and choose which college or university they want to recruit at while not giving the college and universities free reign over whether or not they want to allow them?  The military is as much a public institution as public colleges and universities.

If universities are acting independent from eachother in making rules in regards to federal institutions, it undermines the purpose of federal funding altogether. The government has an equal jurisdiction over all public universities, and therefore when it comes to another federal department, it should not let one university be better or worse than another.

Another thing, this may encourage recruiters to targer poorer areas less as there will be more incentive to students of higer classes. I caution however this may just be a possibility and not a reality. 

Actually public universities tend to service lower to lower middle class students.  Sometimes, it is the first time someone in the family has gone to college.  Recruiters there sends the message that the military is more important.  It isn't.

I agree that these recruiters doing a horrible job, but I also think that they have a job to do, and need access to universities in which to do it. Especially since they are a federal institution and so are the universities. I think they should be able to go to all universities, but then again I am against private universities anyways. Free, universal education I say!

[Yates]

Right now, I think I support this act. Univeristies and colleges that are publically funded must also be subject to relevant government programs. I don't think it is fair that a public institution should bar public servants from doing their business on their grounds.

This is quite true.  However, this act makes no distinction between public and private universities.

It mentions "funded by the state". I take this as meaning it is referring to public institutions.

Quite true.

Senator MasterJedi mentioned that some private universities may receive state funding, however.

I am undecided on this bill.

[Emsworth]

Almost all universities, including private universities, are funded to some degree or another by "the state" or the government. I do not believe that there are many universities that receive no public funding whatsoever.

[Akno21]

Almost all universities, including private universities, are funded to some degree or another by "the state" or the government. I do not believe that there are many universities that receive no public funding whatsoever.

I was not aware of this. Seeing as this is the case, I would support the language in the bill being changed from "universities funded by the state" to "public universities".

[MasterJedi]

Okay, I'll introduce this amendment then:

1. No public college or university shall be permitted to prohibit recruiters from the United States Military to recruit on campus.

[Keystone Phil]

Okay, I'll introduce this amendment then:

1. No public college or university shall be permitted to prohibit recruiters from the United States Military to recruit on campus.

Sounds good. Thanks going to Emsworth for pointing out the state funding of private schools.

[MasterJedi]

I hereby open up the vote on this amendment. Please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.

1. No public college or university shall be permitted to prohibit recruiters from the United States Military to recruit on campus.

[MasterJedi]

Aye

[ilikeverin]

Yup (better than the bill as it currently stands)

[Yates]

Aye.

I am relieved that there is now an even clearer distinction between public and private universities.

[Bacon King]

Aye.

[TomC]

So, since it says "United States military," does it have any effect on Atlasia at all?

[Democratic Hawk]

So, since it says "United States military," does it have any effect on Atlasia at all?

Aye on the amendment

In light of the Chief Justices' comments, perhaps the words United States ought to be stricken and Atlasia or inserted in their place

'Hawk'

[Gabu]

Aye, I guess.

[TomC]

Et tu, Gabu?

[Gabu]

Et tu, Gabu?

This is just on the amendment at the top of this page, which I think makes the bill at least marginally more palatable.

I'm still voting against the bill as a whole.

[MasterJedi]

This amendment has passed. I introduce this amendment, I just posted the whole thing because I felt like it.

1. No public college or university shall be permitted to prohibit recruiters from the Atlasian Military to recruit on campus.

[Ebowed]

It could be argued that such an amendment would be unnecessary, as the use of "the United States" is similar to a typing error in that it can be corrected without an amendment.

[Democratic Hawk]

I will be supporting since Bill because I see no reason why the Atlasian military should not be allowed to recruit in public universities. The military is a worthy profession for any young Atlasian, college student or otherwise, to embark on. Given the opposition, any one would think the presence of military recruiters on campuses would be tantamount to students being pressganged . This is not the case. Such a conceptualisation would be ridiculous

Indeed, I'll go as far to state on the record that I oppose involuntary conscription of our young people into the military (execept in cases of dire national emergency). 1 volunteer = 10 pressed men

Is it nornal for public universities to host job fairs, where a wide range of employers across a range of sectors seek to recruit students? If so, why can't the military be part of those ?

And I, for one, am not afraid to champion our national interest and a vibrant military recruitment drive is in our national interest

'Hawk'

[ilikeverin]

The current law isn't forbidding military recruiters from going on campuses, it's letting the colleges choose whether they want to allow them or not.

[MasterJedi]

The current law isn't forbidding military recruiters from going on campuses, it's letting the colleges choose whether they want to allow them or not.

And this will make sure that they allow them in and can't force them to stay away just because they don't like the military.

[Democratic Hawk]

The current law isn't forbidding military recruiters from going on campuses, it's letting the colleges choose whether they want to allow them or not.

And this will make sure that they allow them in and can't force them to stay away just because they don't like the military.

I concur. For a college to refuse to allow the military to recruit on its campuses would be tantamount to political activism. The military is a public institution funded by the taxpayer, as a public universities. On that basis to refuse the miltitary access to recruit would be wrong

'Hawk'

[Gabu]

The current law isn't forbidding military recruiters from going on campuses, it's letting the colleges choose whether they want to allow them or not.

And this will make sure that they allow them in and can't force them to stay away just because they don't like the military.

If students want to join the military, I wouldn't imagine it'd be exactly hard to find a place to do so.  I don't see why we should force all universities to allow military recruiters to badger their students to join up all they want.

Is it nornal for public universities to host job fairs, where a wide range of employers across a range of sectors seek to recruit students? If so, why can't the military be part of those ?

As far as I know, those are absolutely voluntary on the part of the university.  Likewise, I have absolutely no problem with a university voluntarily consenting to hosting military recruiters on campus.

[jerusalemcar5]

Public institutions can all the time refuse to let in other insitutions.  I don't see public universities being allowed throughout military bases!  This bill holds the military in higher regard than the university!  The larger the military you have, the more expensive to the taxpayer.  Assuming I didn't miss some change between the U.S. and Atlasia, Atlasia has nukes, cruise missiles, and tanks.  You don't need many people to operate those and we shouldn't be needing to use those much either.