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« Reply #25 on: January 16, 2004, 05:28:57 PM »
Quote from: TheWildCard on January 16, 2004, 05:27:29 PM
Quote from: Gustaf on January 16, 2004, 05:24:19 PM
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I just realised that I  probably got Kucinich first over other Democrats, because I agree with him on abortion issue. I have understood that he's pro LIFE. Am I right?




That would probably be correct.

He is pro-life? I thought he was a liberal maniac?


I know I did too but according to this

http://www.prolife.org/nat160.html

and other links I've found it seems he conservitive on one issue...

Interesting...one of the last authoritarians perhaps? (being against individual freedoms in all areas)
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« Reply #26 on: January 16, 2004, 05:31:32 PM »
Quote from: Gustaf on January 16, 2004, 05:24:19 PM
Quote from: TheWildCard on January 16, 2004, 05:21:08 PM
Quote from: Huckleberry Finn on January 16, 2004, 05:18:54 PM
I just realised that I  probably got Kucinich first over other Democrats, because I agree with him on abortion issue. I have understood that he's pro LIFE. Am I right?




That would probably be correct.

He is pro-life? I thought he was a liberal maniac?


My understanding is that he's always been quite liberal overall, but on the one issue of abortion, he was pro-life until a year or two ago.
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« Reply #27 on: January 16, 2004, 05:36:37 PM »
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Quote from: TheWildCard on January 16, 2004, 05:21:08 PM
Quote from: Huckleberry Finn on January 16, 2004, 05:18:54 PM
I just realised that I  probably got Kucinich first over other Democrats, because I agree with him on abortion issue. I have understood that he's pro LIFE. Am I right?




That would probably be correct.

He is pro-life? I thought he was a liberal maniac?


I know I did too but according to this

http://www.prolife.org/nat160.html

and other links I've found it seems he's conservitive on one issue...

Article:

<<Kucinich’s new rhetoric mimics some of the oldest lines in the pro-abortion movement, according to long-time pro-life observers. For instance, on his website, Kucinich says, "I have come to believe that it's not simply about the right to choose, but about a woman's role in society as being free and having agency and having the ability to make her own decisions. That a woman can't be free unless she has this right."

Pro-life leaders note that this kind of statement fails to recognize the phenomenon of post-abortion syndrome, where women experience emotional and psychological problems because of their profound grief over the deaths of their unborn children. Rather than being a freeing experience, abortion can lead a woman to feel trapped, according to recent post-abortion research.>>

Maybe that's because of the social stigma against abortion.
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« Reply #28 on: January 16, 2004, 05:57:55 PM »
Quote from: Huckleberry Finn on January 16, 2004, 05:18:54 PM
I just realised that I  probably got Kucinich first over other Democrats, because I agree with him on abortion issue. I have understood that he's pro LIFE. Am I right?



Kucinich used to be one of the few Dems in Congress against abortion.  Then he started making plans to run for president and completely sold out.

I'm glad to see that you're pro-life, though.  That makes me feel like there's some decency still left in your party.  You must've been pretty upset with Slick Willy when he twice vetoed perhaps the most important piece of legislation over the last 20 years=the partial birth abortion ban.
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« Reply #29 on: January 16, 2004, 05:58:43 PM »
Your Results:

1.  Your ideal theoretical candidate.   (100%)  Click here for info
2.  Kucinich, Rep. Dennis, OH - Democrat   (78%)  Click here for info
3.  Dean, Gov. Howard, VT - Democrat   (71%)  Click here for info
4.  Sharpton, Reverend Al - Democrat   (71%)  Click here for info
5.  Clark, Retired General Wesley K., AR - Democrat   (69%)  Click here for info
6.  Socialist Candidate   (65%)  Click here for info
7.  Kerry, Senator John, MA - Democrat   (62%)  Click here for info
8.  Edwards, Senator John, NC - Democrat   (59%)  Click here for info
9.  Gephardt, Rep. Dick, MO - Democrat   (55%)  Click here for info
10.  Lieberman, Senator Joe, CT - Democrat   (50%)  Click here for info
11.  Libertarian Candidate   (41%)  Click here for info
12.  LaRouche, Lyndon H. Jr. - Democrat   (37%)  Click here for info
13.  Bush, President George W. - Republican   (19%)  Click here for info
14.  Phillips, Howard - Constitution   (10%)  Click here for info

Whilct the bottom five are about right, I'm surprised by the top half, especially Kucinich
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« Reply #30 on: January 16, 2004, 06:04:16 PM »
Quote from: hughento on January 16, 2004, 05:58:43 PM
Your Results:

1.  Your ideal theoretical candidate.   (100%)  Click here for info
2.  Kucinich, Rep. Dennis, OH - Democrat   (78%)  Click here for info
3.  Dean, Gov. Howard, VT - Democrat   (71%)  Click here for info
4.  Sharpton, Reverend Al - Democrat   (71%)  Click here for info
5.  Clark, Retired General Wesley K., AR - Democrat   (69%)  Click here for info
6.  Socialist Candidate   (65%)  Click here for info
7.  Kerry, Senator John, MA - Democrat   (62%)  Click here for info
8.  Edwards, Senator John, NC - Democrat   (59%)  Click here for info
9.  Gephardt, Rep. Dick, MO - Democrat   (55%)  Click here for info
10.  Lieberman, Senator Joe, CT - Democrat   (50%)  Click here for info
11.  Libertarian Candidate   (41%)  Click here for info
12.  LaRouche, Lyndon H. Jr. - Democrat   (37%)  Click here for info
13.  Bush, President George W. - Republican   (19%)  Click here for info
14.  Phillips, Howard - Constitution   (10%)  Click here for info

Whilct the bottom five are about right, I'm surprised by the top half, especially Kucinich


I see you're from Iowa.  Just out of curiosity, who are you supporting in the caucus on Monday...? ...if you don't mind my asking.  If you do, please take no offense to my question.
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« Reply #31 on: January 16, 2004, 06:08:36 PM »
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Quote from: hughento on January 16, 2004, 05:58:43 PM
Your Results:

1.  Your ideal theoretical candidate.   (100%)  Click here for info
2.  Kucinich, Rep. Dennis, OH - Democrat   (78%)  Click here for info
3.  Dean, Gov. Howard, VT - Democrat   (71%)  Click here for info
4.  Sharpton, Reverend Al - Democrat   (71%)  Click here for info
5.  Clark, Retired General Wesley K., AR - Democrat   (69%)  Click here for info
6.  Socialist Candidate   (65%)  Click here for info
7.  Kerry, Senator John, MA - Democrat   (62%)  Click here for info
8.  Edwards, Senator John, NC - Democrat   (59%)  Click here for info
9.  Gephardt, Rep. Dick, MO - Democrat   (55%)  Click here for info
10.  Lieberman, Senator Joe, CT - Democrat   (50%)  Click here for info
11.  Libertarian Candidate   (41%)  Click here for info
12.  LaRouche, Lyndon H. Jr. - Democrat   (37%)  Click here for info
13.  Bush, President George W. - Republican   (19%)  Click here for info
14.  Phillips, Howard - Constitution   (10%)  Click here for info

Whilct the bottom five are about right, I'm surprised by the top half, especially Kucinich


I see you're from Iowa.  Just out of curiosity, who are you supporting in the caucus on Monday...? ...if you don't mind my asking.  If you do, please take no offense to my question.

He has already said that he most likely will vote Dean, but is considering Kerry, if I'm not mistaken. If I am, no offense, Hughento, just trying to save you some time... Wink
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« Reply #32 on: January 16, 2004, 06:11:25 PM »
Quote from: Gustaf on January 16, 2004, 06:08:36 PM
He has already said that he most likely will vote Dean, but is considering Kerry, if I'm not mistaken. If I am, no offense, Hughento, just trying to save you some time... Wink

Ah, cool then.  Thanks, Gustaf, you're so resourceful!  lol
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« Reply #33 on: January 16, 2004, 06:46:20 PM »
Quote from: GWBFan on January 16, 2004, 06:11:25 PM
Quote from: Gustaf on January 16, 2004, 06:08:36 PM
He has already said that he most likely will vote Dean, but is considering Kerry, if I'm not mistaken. If I am, no offense, Hughento, just trying to save you some time... Wink

Ah, cool then.  Thanks, Gustaf, you're so resourceful!  lol

I will interpret that as a compliment... Wink
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« Reply #34 on: January 16, 2004, 07:08:22 PM »
Quote from: Huckleberry Finn on January 16, 2004, 05:18:54 PM
I just realised that I  probably got Kucinich first over other Democrats, because I agree with him on abortion issue. I have understood that he's pro LIFE. Am I right?
Kucinich "switched" from pro-life to pro-choice a few years ago, basically right before he decided to run for President.  If you ask me, he's still secretly pro-life.
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« Reply #35 on: January 16, 2004, 07:48:08 PM »
Well. I have the say that there is very few pro-life in Finnish National Coaliton Party. It's pretty liberal on social issues. Home, religion and Fatherland were once it's mainvalues, but nowadays it's more Libertarian party.

We have small Christian Democratic Party in Finland. It's conservative on social issues, but pretty liberal in economy.

GWBFan. I hope that you did'n get angry with my statement that your post was misleading. But honestly. It was. Kosovo operation was  essential and it's no doubt that Milosevic is very big war criminal. But well you did not write it yourself.
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« Reply #36 on: January 16, 2004, 08:05:59 PM »
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Quote from: Huckleberry Finn on January 16, 2004, 05:18:54 PM
I just realised that I  probably got Kucinich first over other Democrats, because I agree with him on abortion issue. I have understood that he's pro LIFE. Am I right?
Kucinich "switched" from pro-life to pro-choice a few years ago, basically right before he decided to run for President.  If you ask me, he's still secretly pro-life.

Same with Gore and Gepardt.  They both used to be strongly pro-life in the early 80's.  They changed their stances when they went national.
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« Reply #37 on: January 16, 2004, 08:10:06 PM »
You know what's wierd?  I wasn't even trying and I got 100% Bush.  I thought that was a little strange, I was answering the questions honestly.  The closest Democrat to myself is Liebermann.  No supprise there.
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« Reply #38 on: January 16, 2004, 09:12:20 PM »
Your Results:

1.  Your ideal theoretical candidate.   (100%)  Click here for info
2.  Bush, President George W. - Republican   (77%)  Click here for info
3.  Libertarian Candidate   (49%)  Click here for info
4.  Kucinich, Rep. Dennis, OH - Democrat   (43%)  Click here for info
5.  Lieberman, Senator Joe, CT - Democrat   (33%)  Click here for info
6.  Kerry, Senator John, MA - Democrat   (32%)  Click here for info
7.  Gephardt, Rep. Dick, MO - Democrat   (30%)  Click here for info
8.  Phillips, Howard - Constitution   (29%)  Click here for info
9.  Dean, Gov. Howard, VT - Democrat   (29%)  Click here for info
10.  Edwards, Senator John, NC - Democrat   (28%)  Click here for info
11.  Sharpton, Reverend Al - Democrat   (13%)  Click here for info
12.  Clark, Retired General Wesley K., AR - Democrat    
Not too many surprises.  How is Kucinich high up there?  Why is Edwards so low?  Disagreed w/ question that said war w/ Iraq was unilateral.  I guess the UK + 40 other countries don't count if France and Angola disagree.
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« Reply #39 on: January 16, 2004, 09:46:13 PM »
Your Results:

1.  Your ideal theoretical candidate.   (100%)  

2.  Kucinich, Rep. Dennis, OH - Democrat   (70%)  

3.  Dean, Gov. Howard, VT - Democrat   (67%)  

4.  Edwards, Senator John, NC - Democrat   (66%)  

5.  Kerry, Senator John, MA - Democrat   (65%)  

6.  Socialist Candidate   (64%)  

7.  Sharpton, Reverend Al - Democrat   (64%)  

8.  Clark, Retired General Wesley K., AR - Democrat   (56%)  

9.  Gephardt, Rep. Dick, MO - Democrat   (54%)  

10.  Lieberman, Senator Joe, CT - Democrat   (40%)  

11.  Libertarian Candidate   (39%)  Click here for info

12.  LaRouche, Lyndon H. Jr. - Democrat   (29%)  

13.  Bush, President George W. - Republican   (15%)

14.  Phillips, Howard - Constitution   (12%)  
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« Reply #40 on: January 16, 2004, 09:46:41 PM »
Your Results:

1.  Your ideal theoretical candidate.   (100%)  Click here for info
2.  Green Party Candidate   (98%)  Click here for info
3.  Socialist Candidate   (89%)  Click here for info
4.  Sharpton, Reverend Al - Democrat   (81%)  Click here for info
5.  Moseley-Braun, Former Senator Carol, IL - Democrat   (76%)  Click here for info
6.  Dean, Gov. Howard, VT - Democrat   (75%)  Click here for info
7.  Clark, Retired General Wesley K., AR - Democrat   (74%)  Click here for info
8.  Kucinich, Rep. Dennis, OH - Democrat   (73%)  Click here for info
9.  Gephardt, Rep. Dick, MO - Democrat   (65%)  Click here for info
10.  Edwards, Senator John, NC - Democrat   (64%)  Click here for info
11.  Kerry, Senator John, MA - Democrat   (60%)  Click here for info
12.  LaRouche, Lyndon H. Jr. - Democrat   (48%)  Click here for info
13.  Libertarian Candidate   (36%)  Click here for info
14.  Lieberman, Senator Joe, CT - Democrat   (35%)  Click here for info
15.  Phillips, Howard - Constitution   (17%)  Click here for info
16.  Hagelin, Dr. John - Natural Law   (9%)  Click here for info
17.  Bush, President George W. - Republican   (4%)  Click here for info


Sharpton is my highest Democrat. I wouldn't support him because of his racial divisiveness, but we do agree on a lot of things. I'm also surprised that Kerry was a bit low.
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« Reply #41 on: January 16, 2004, 09:59:20 PM »
Looks like no one is very close to my ideal candidate, though I'm a bit surprised how close Kerry, Bush and Kucinich are:
1.  Your ideal theoretical candidate.   (100%)
2.  Kerry, Senator John, MA - Democrat   (59%)
3.  Bush, President George W. - Republican   (57%)
4.  Kucinich, Rep. Dennis, OH - Democrat   (55%)
5.  Edwards, Senator John, NC - Democrat   (51%)  
6.  Lieberman, Senator Joe, CT - Democrat   (49%)
7.  Dean, Gov. Howard, VT - Democrat   (48%)
8.  Libertarian Candidate   (46%)
9.  Gephardt, Rep. Dick, MO - Democrat   (41%)
10.  Sharpton, Reverend Al - Democrat   (35%)
11.  Clark, Retired General Wesley K., AR - Democrat   (30%)
12.  Phillips, Howard - Constitution   (14%)
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« Reply #42 on: January 16, 2004, 10:08:22 PM »
« Edited: January 16, 2004, 10:08:58 PM by nclib »
Quote from: supersoulty on January 16, 2004, 08:10:06 PM
You know what's wierd?  I wasn't even trying and I got 100% Bush.  I thought that was a little strange, I was answering the questions honestly.  The closest Democrat to myself is Liebermann.  No supprise there.

Soulty,

You don't have to share this if you don't want to, but since you got 100% Bush, could you list each of the Dem candidates so we can see how well Bush matches up with each of the Dems?
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« Reply #43 on: January 17, 2004, 12:37:09 AM »
Quote from: Gustaf on January 16, 2004, 06:08:36 PM
Quote from: GWBFan on January 16, 2004, 06:04:16 PM
Quote from: hughento on January 16, 2004, 05:58:43 PM
Your Results:

1.  Your ideal theoretical candidate.   (100%)  Click here for info
2.  Kucinich, Rep. Dennis, OH - Democrat   (78%)  Click here for info
3.  Dean, Gov. Howard, VT - Democrat   (71%)  Click here for info
4.  Sharpton, Reverend Al - Democrat   (71%)  Click here for info
5.  Clark, Retired General Wesley K., AR - Democrat   (69%)  Click here for info
6.  Socialist Candidate   (65%)  Click here for info
7.  Kerry, Senator John, MA - Democrat   (62%)  Click here for info
8.  Edwards, Senator John, NC - Democrat   (59%)  Click here for info
9.  Gephardt, Rep. Dick, MO - Democrat   (55%)  Click here for info
10.  Lieberman, Senator Joe, CT - Democrat   (50%)  Click here for info
11.  Libertarian Candidate   (41%)  Click here for info
12.  LaRouche, Lyndon H. Jr. - Democrat   (37%)  Click here for info
13.  Bush, President George W. - Republican   (19%)  Click here for info
14.  Phillips, Howard - Constitution   (10%)  Click here for info

Whilct the bottom five are about right, I'm surprised by the top half, especially Kucinich


I see you're from Iowa.  Just out of curiosity, who are you supporting in the caucus on Monday...? ...if you don't mind my asking.  If you do, please take no offense to my question.

He has already said that he most likely will vote Dean, but is considering Kerry, if I'm not mistaken. If I am, no offense, Hughento, just trying to save you some time... Wink

Thanks Smiley

I've decided i'm not voting for Kerry, but I'm not too sure if I like Dean either. I'm still sort-of thinking Gephardt, but I know that he won't win much outside Iowa.

I went to a practice caucus the other day. It took hours. Why can't we just put a cross in the box like everyone else?!?
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« Reply #44 on: January 17, 2004, 01:17:46 AM »
If you dont like Kerry and Dean I say vote Edwards
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« Reply #45 on: January 17, 2004, 02:14:30 AM »
No, Edwards would make the perfect VP; but I don't think I'd want him as head-honcho in DC.

Plus he won't win Iowa anyway, and therefore would be a wasted vote.
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« Reply #46 on: January 17, 2004, 03:37:40 AM »
1.  Your ideal theoretical candidate.   (100%)  Click here for info
2.  Bush, President George W. - Republican   (65%)  Click here for info
3.  Gephardt, Rep. Dick, MO - Democrat   (56%)  Click here for info
4.  Kerry, Senator John, MA - Democrat   (55%)  Click here for info
5.  Lieberman, Senator Joe, CT - Democrat   (55%)  Click here for info
6.  Edwards, Senator John, NC - Democrat   (52%)  Click here for info
7.  Kucinich, Rep. Dennis, OH - Democrat   (42%)  Click here for info
8.  Libertarian Candidate   (38%)  Click here for info
9.  Dean, Gov. Howard, VT - Democrat   (33%)  Click here for info
10.  Moseley-Braun, Former Senator Carol, IL - Democrat   (21%)  Click here for info
11.  Sharpton, Reverend Al - Democrat   (18%)  Click here for info
12.  Clark, Retired General Wesley K., AR - Democrat   (16%)  Click here for info
13.  Phillips, Howard - Constitution   (13%)  Click here for info
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« Reply #47 on: January 17, 2004, 07:16:26 AM »
Quote from: zorkpolitics on January 16, 2004, 09:59:20 PM
Looks like no one is very close to my ideal candidate, though I'm a bit surprised how close Kerry, Bush and Kucinich are:
1.  Your ideal theoretical candidate.   (100%)
2.  Kerry, Senator John, MA - Democrat   (59%)
3.  Bush, President George W. - Republican   (57%)
4.  Kucinich, Rep. Dennis, OH - Democrat   (55%)
5.  Edwards, Senator John, NC - Democrat   (51%)  
6.  Lieberman, Senator Joe, CT - Democrat   (49%)
7.  Dean, Gov. Howard, VT - Democrat   (48%)
8.  Libertarian Candidate   (46%)
9.  Gephardt, Rep. Dick, MO - Democrat   (41%)
10.  Sharpton, Reverend Al - Democrat   (35%)
11.  Clark, Retired General Wesley K., AR - Democrat   (30%)
12.  Phillips, Howard - Constitution   (14%)


Ha, you're not really a Republican! Smiley Come on out, nothing to be ashamed of... Wink
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« Reply #48 on: January 17, 2004, 07:17:51 AM »
A lot of these polls seem to indicate that Clark is more to the left than most people thought (since he scores so low on all the Republicans results) and that Kerry is more to the right, since he does relatively well on their scores. Any thoughts?
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« Reply #49 on: January 17, 2004, 08:21:06 AM »
Quote from: Huckleberry Finn on January 16, 2004, 07:48:08 PM
Well. I have the say that there is very few pro-life in Finnish National Coaliton Party. It's pretty liberal on social issues. Home, religion and Fatherland were once it's mainvalues, but nowadays it's more Libertarian party.

We have small Christian Democratic Party in Finland. It's conservative on social issues, but pretty liberal in economy.

GWBFan. I hope that you did'n get angry with my statement that your post was misleading. But honestly. It was. Kosovo operation was  essential and it's no doubt that Milosevic is very big war criminal. But well you did not write it yourself.

Actually, I agreed with taking Milosevic out.  I didn't write the article, as you pointed out.  I myself believe the U.S. has a *right* to take out any dictator possible if it means saving lives in the long run.

But the author of this article has a wonderful point.  If you supported Kosovo, which posed absolutely NO THREAT to us, then there's no way you canNOT support Iraq, which at the very least posed some threat to us.  Kosovo was a battle in favor of human rights; Iraq is as well.

What happened to the Democrats?  They used to be the party of human rights, which would make them highly supportive of this war.  The only reason they hate this war is b/c it isn't a liberal Democrat masterminding it.
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