Has there ever been an election between 2 worse candidates?

[Nym90]

There have been worse elections in the 1800s certainly, but 2004 is definitely up there among elections in the past 100 years. It was probably the worst since 1924 in terms of the overall quality of the two major party candidates.

[Nym90]

Honestly, sometimes the lack of historical perspective among some people is very surprising.

The 2004 candidates were far from the worse we've had.  The dismal period before and after the Civil War has to rank as the worst period in our history, in terms of leaders.

Bush and Kerry were both good candidates in their own way.  I don't think that as a combination, they were below average.  They provided a good contrast and choice.  I hear the "the candidates are so bad" theme every election, including elections, such as 1980, that have produced presidents who are now considered great presidents.

Well that's true. Everyone has their own criteria for good and bad, and I agree that the 1800's were overall worse than most anything we've seen in the last 100 years.

I think part of the problem with Kerry and Bush was too much of a contrast, leaving moderates being forced to vote for someone they didn't really like. In some ways it was a caricature election for both sides since each candidate's home state was the state that the opposite party probably dislikes more than any other single state. Combined with the fact that both party's strategies seemed to be to pump up their base rather than really put a major push towards attracting swing voters.

And yeah, people complain about the candidates in every election. At least turnout was very high this past election, which is always a good sign for the health of our democracy. The events of recent years at least seem to be causing people to care more about politics which is always a good thing in my opinion.

[Nym90]

1972

Nixon - a very gifted leader who sold himself out to the forces of corruption and subversion, and who had already become enmeshed in the scandal of what was to become known as Watergate even before the votes were cast

McGovern - a well meaning politician, but an ultra leftist, who allowed himself to be manipulated and controlled by the looney left fringe of the country

I think you don't give Nixon credit for his paranoia and his own blame in this, but generally,  this is what I wanted to say before I even saw yours.

Yeah, 1972 was definitely not the best election by any means. McGovern, while a good man, was too liberal, and Nixon, while moderate and not a bad President policy-wise, was thoroughly corrupt to the core.

[Nym90]

1972

Nixon - a very gifted leader who sold himself out to the forces of corruption and subversion, and who had already become enmeshed in the scandal of what was to become known as Watergate even before the votes were cast

McGovern - a well meaning politician, but an ultra leftist, who allowed himself to be manipulated and controlled by the looney left fringe of the country

I think you don't give Nixon credit for his paranoia and his own blame in this, but generally,  this is what I wanted to say before I even saw yours.

Yeah, 1972 was definitely not the best election by any means. McGovern, while a good man, was too liberal, and Nixon, while moderate and not a bad President policy-wise, was thoroughly corrupt to the core.

Eric, what do you think of 1964?  LBJ was also corrupt to the core, and even you have admitted that liberal policies in the 1960s went to excess.  Goldwater obviously wasn't an appealing candidate to a lot of people either.

Either way, the years 1965-69 were among the worst in our history.

Yeah, it wasn't one of the better elections. Johnson did a lot of great things and overall I think he was a good man, a lot better than Nixon, though he certainly was a bit of a machine politician. I definitely didn't like that aspect of him at all. As it turned out, Vietnam wasn't such a good idea either in retrospect, although at the time it seemed like a just war and certainly the fact that Johnson was willing to try to stop the advancement of Communism is commendable.

Overall the Great Society went too far certainly; it was a failed experiment that had noble ideals which I support but as you've said unfortunately hurt the people it was trying to help in a lot of ways. Certainly things like Medicare, Medicaid and the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act were great achievements of that era, but other things like welfare, busing, affirmative action and the like were not.

Goldwater was way too conservative for his time; he was quite frighteningly hawkish, and his opposition to the Civil Rights Act is pretty much unforgiveable in my book, even if he did oppose it merely on states' rights grounds (which I think he did).

[Nym90]

Honestly, sometimes the lack of historical perspective among some people is very surprising.

The 2004 candidates were far from the worse we've had.  The dismal period before and after the Civil War has to rank as the worst period in our history, in terms of leaders.

Bush and Kerry were both good candidates in their own way.  I don't think that as a combination, they were below average.  They provided a good contrast and choice.  I hear the "the candidates are so bad" theme every election, including elections, such as 1980, that have produced presidents who are now considered great presidents.

Hey now

Yeah, some people consider Reagan great; I would say the median opinion of him would be good, but certainly not great.

[Nym90]

I cant believe no ones mentioned 1988 yet. Bush VS Dukakis. with Dan Quayle  on the Republican ticket too!

come on people!!

True, that one wasn't so great either, but in my opinion, Bush Sr was better than Bush Jr., and Dukakis was no worse than Kerry. And Quayle was no worse than Cheney.

[Nym90]

I cant believe no ones mentioned 1988 yet. Bush VS Dukakis. with Dan Quayle  on the Republican ticket too!

come on people!!

True, that one wasn't so great either, but in my opinion, Bush Sr was better than Bush Jr., and Dukakis was no worse than Kerry. And Quayle was no worse than Cheney.

That, and the fact that Lloyd Bentsen was included in that race made it a little better.

Very true. Bentsen would have been a great President. Too bad he wasn't the nominee in 1988.