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opebo
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« on: January 19, 2004, 07:36:42 AM »

I think he was the first president to fight for universal health care.  Not sure though.

I think you're right.  Nixon put through a proposal at the beginning of his second term for some type of universal health care.  I don't remember the details, but Congress never passed it.

Nixon also sponsored a welfare reform plan in 1971 called FAP (Family Assistance Program) that would have provided an income floor to all Americans through significantly increased welfare payments.  


Nixon was a Republican of the old school - just a Democrat-lite.  They'd been so rolled over by the left for 30+ years by the time Nixon came around they had no principles or convictions left - people were ashamed of capitalism for gosh sakes!  Nixon grew up politically in the most leftist period America's ever seen.  I'd say the typical Republican of today would have a hard time distinguishing between LBJ and Nixon.  At least he was a little bit hawkish, and Kissinger managed some cool projects like Pinochet in Chile, but on the whole Nixon was no help at all in getting the country where we are today.  Nixon's '72 landslide represented the voters plea for a sharp turn to the right - its just that Nixon betrayed that promise.  We had to wait until 1980 to actually accomplish something.
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opebo
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« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2004, 02:57:02 PM »

Kissinger managed some cool projects like Pinochet in Chile

This is a joke, right? Pinochet was a brutal dictator who killed thousands of people.

No, not a joke.  Its true the situation was not ideal, but Kissinger saved that country from socialism.
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« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2004, 03:03:47 PM »

If "saving" a country from "socialism" is an excuse for setting a coup d'etat that leads to a fascist dictatorship how come the same was never done to Sweden?

Thinking about that, opebo, do you think that the murder of Olof Palme was justified?

This will be an interesting answer...Sweden was a western country, though, and we weren't THAT socialist. But it's still a good point. Where do one stop? France would probably be a much better example, they left NATO, courted the SOviets, and tried to nationalize the banks.

Gustaf, Realpolitik,

US intervention, as in Chile, should be primarily to benefit US interests, not merely to oppose socialism in principle (though it is in principle an evil, imo).  But as far as within the country itself I don't see how you can blame the Right - and more to the point property owners - from trying to defend themselves against 'democratic' expropriation by whatever means necessary.  In this extremity one is lucky to have a Pinochet to turn to.  The thought that the majority of the 'people' voted to rob you of your property is no comfort at all - you will still fight for it if you can, including by a forcible coup, removing the socialist regime if possible.
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