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Undisguised Sockpuppet
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« on: July 15, 2006, 04:25:46 PM »

In the mid 1850s a group of US diplomats came up with a proposal to attempt to threaten Spain into selling off cuba, and if Spain didn't cooperate take Cuba by force. This plan was naturally called the Ostend Manifesto( www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostend_Manifesto for more information on it). What would happen if their plan was able to go off and the US goes to war with spain and steals their carribean/pacific empire(Cuba, Santo Domingo, Canaries, Madieras, Phillipppines, Northeast New Guinea, Marianas, Marshalls, Carolines, Yap, Palau, Rabaul, North Solomons, Bismarks, Samoa and Guam)? How does this change america in the years from 1854-2006?

1 Where else does the US expand to besides the spanish empire?

2 What happens in a world where the US has more slave territories so it can keep the peace and avoid the civil war?

3 How is the US changed by having a colonial empire before WWI?

4 How screwed is Maxamillian in the 1860's since the US isn't distracted by a civil war and how much of mexico does the US manage to extract from Juarez as the "price' for the "liberation".
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« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2006, 02:16:03 AM »

In any time line where the Ostend Manifiesto could have pursued would have seen the U.S. acquire more territory in the Mexican War.  At a minimum the northern tier of Mexican states would have been annexed, and the offer of the rebel Yucantan government to be annexed would have been accepted.  However, unless the United States embarks on a naval expansion program before going to war with Spain, I can't see the U.S. acquiring terrtory outside the Caribbean from Spain.  A weakened Spain would be an attractive target for Napoleon III, tho if he went after it, he'd break the alignment with England he'd been pursuing.
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« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2006, 07:07:50 AM »

In any time line where the Ostend Manifiesto could have pursued would have seen the U.S. acquire more territory in the Mexican War.  At a minimum the northern tier of Mexican states would have been annexed, and the offer of the rebel Yucantan government to be annexed would have been accepted.  However, unless the United States embarks on a naval expansion program before going to war with Spain, I can't see the U.S. acquiring terrtory outside the Caribbean from Spain.  A weakened Spain would be an attractive target for Napoleon III, tho if he went after it, he'd break the alignment with England he'd been pursuing.
I see a weakened spain literally collapsing into anarchy as a result of being beaten so badly so the US snaps up the phillippines.
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« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2006, 05:51:57 PM »

The Spainish ruled the Philippines practically in name only outside of the immediate environs of Manila by playing one group of natives off another.  I can't see even a Imperialist United States of the 1850's being willing to put in the effort when there is so much to acquire closer to hand.  Also the U.S. Navy is pathetically small in the 1850's.  An 1850's Spanish collapse leads to the Philippines ending up in either British or French hands with the possibility of the southern half ending up in the hands of a revitalized Sultanate of Sulu.
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« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2006, 06:26:10 PM »

Again the US would gain title to the territory whether it would cnotrol it for a while is another question.
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