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« Reply #975 on: February 10, 2004, 05:13:40 pm »

True, though he never really talks about social issues much, so maybe he is more liberal on those, but just emphasizes his conservative positions.
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« Reply #976 on: February 10, 2004, 05:28:18 pm »

True, though he never really talks about social issues much, so maybe he is more liberal on those, but just emphasizes his conservative positions.

He's said that he "certainly" isn't a Christian, which says something.
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« Reply #977 on: February 10, 2004, 08:41:12 pm »
« Edited: February 10, 2004, 08:42:40 pm by supersoulty »

Obebo is a nazi and he probably think it was a good move, my issue is with you and how a rational person could think such a thing.  Let me find some data for the first.
I could see 95% of people doing it if they felt their re-election hopes were next to dead without it, or their re-election hopes were 100% if they faked it.  Obvious, if the capture of UBL is announced on 11/1/04, it will look fake, but if it announce in September, it may not.

You have a really low opinion of humanity in general then.
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« Reply #978 on: February 10, 2004, 08:44:44 pm »

True, though he never really talks about social issues much, so maybe he is more liberal on those, but just emphasizes his conservative positions.

He's said that he "certainly" isn't a Christian, which says something.

He could be Jewish, Muslim or someother reliogion.  Wink
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« Reply #979 on: February 10, 2004, 10:06:00 pm »



Second, I can't believe that you guys acctually think Bush is so aweful that he will harass muslim voters or fake Bin Laden's capture.  That's not a joke, those are some serious accusations.

They get their conspiracy theories from Madeleine Albright.
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« Reply #980 on: February 10, 2004, 11:20:50 pm »

Attention:

Wesley Clark has withdrawn from the race.  And now there are five.  Who will fall next?
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« Reply #981 on: February 10, 2004, 11:36:31 pm »

Attention:

Wesley Clark has withdrawn from the race.  And now there are five.  Who will fall next?

Edwards.  This is a very diappionting showing for him.
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« Reply #982 on: February 11, 2004, 12:38:49 am »

Reasons why Kerry will win Ohio:

1. Many-a-job lost in OH since Bush took office
2. Governor Taft's unpopularity
3. High Muslim population

I don't feel like retyping, so I'll just copy and paste what I said earlier....

The only place where there is a significant Muslim population in Ohio is Cinncinati and that is a BLACK Muslim population.  They wouldn't vote for Bush anyway.  Gov. Taft is unpopular because he RAISED taxes, I don't see how that plays well for the Democrats seeing as the Republican legislature is the group that is most pissed-off by Taft's actions.

Second, I can't believe that you guys acctually think Bush is so aweful that he will harass muslim voters or fake Bin Laden's capture.  That's not a joke, those are some serious accusations.
1. Provide a census result showing that a large portion o Ohio's muslim population voted for Gore.

2. Opebo, a Republican, suggested Bush might fake UBL's captured, and I agreed, he might.

Obebo is a nazi and he probably think it was a good move, my issue is with you and how a rational person could think such a thing.  Let me find some data for the first.

Ok.. I guess I should respond to this.  I am, as others have said in this thread, rather cynical and do believe in 'realpolitic', etc.  But I think its a bit much to call me a Nazi!  I think there's a big difference in being a bit Nixonian (and an admirer of Kissinger) and being a Nazi.  
Seriously though I never thought Bush would really fake bin laden's capture, I was just hypothesizing.  But I think the reason it would never happen is more because it wouldn't work than because its 'wrong'.
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« Reply #983 on: February 11, 2004, 12:46:42 am »

True, though he never really talks about social issues much, so maybe he is more liberal on those, but just emphasizes his conservative positions.

He's said that he "certainly" isn't a Christian, which says something.

Classical Liberal, not religious in any fashion, though reared as a 'Wasp'.  My only comment on religions is whether or not I like their influence on society - for example I enjoy living in a Buddhist country.  I support the Republicans because they're the party of economic freedom *relatively speaking*.  I'm a bit Machiavelian in my view of politics because I'm not quite as enamoured of 'democracy' as most of you guys.
Anyway, enough about boring old me - OH will go Bush in '04 as long as the economy booms between now and Nov.  Will be close though.  And yes Supersoulties right Muslims don't matter in OH.

Btw Soup I look a bit like Talent as well..
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« Reply #984 on: February 11, 2004, 10:25:21 am »

http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/pres_college-kerry.htm

larry sabato has a new EC map out.
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« Reply #985 on: February 11, 2004, 11:10:03 am »

Reasons why Kerry will win Ohio:

1. Many-a-job lost in OH since Bush took office
2. Governor Taft's unpopularity
3. High Muslim population

I don't feel like retyping, so I'll just copy and paste what I said earlier....

The only place where there is a significant Muslim population in Ohio is Cinncinati and that is a BLACK Muslim population.  They wouldn't vote for Bush anyway.  Gov. Taft is unpopular because he RAISED taxes, I don't see how that plays well for the Democrats seeing as the Republican legislature is the group that is most pissed-off by Taft's actions.

Second, I can't believe that you guys acctually think Bush is so aweful that he will harass muslim voters or fake Bin Laden's capture.  That's not a joke, those are some serious accusations.
1. Provide a census result showing that a large portion o Ohio's muslim population voted for Gore.

2. Opebo, a Republican, suggested Bush might fake UBL's captured, and I agreed, he might.

Obebo is a nazi and he probably think it was a good move, my issue is with you and how a rational person could think such a thing.  Let me find some data for the first.

Ok.. I guess I should respond to this.  I am, as others have said in this thread, rather cynical and do believe in 'realpolitic', etc.  But I think its a bit much to call me a Nazi!  I think there's a big difference in being a bit Nixonian (and an admirer of Kissinger) and being a Nazi.  
Seriously though I never thought Bush would really fake bin laden's capture, I was just hypothesizing.  But I think the reason it would never happen is more because it wouldn't work than because its 'wrong'.

What you're missing here is that THE REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE has called you a Nazi. The LEAST you can do to protest is adopt a red avatar...

Good to see you engaging in this despite the fact that you're not allowed to vote! Smiley
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« Reply #986 on: February 11, 2004, 11:57:58 am »


I notice he has Ohio as 'probable for Bush'!
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« Reply #987 on: February 11, 2004, 12:02:47 pm »


He only has New Hampshire changing hands...how is Arkansas "very competitive"HuhHuhHuhHuh??
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« Reply #988 on: February 11, 2004, 12:07:42 pm »


He only has New Hampshire changing hands...how is Arkansas "very competitive"HuhHuhHuhHuh??

Yeah its a bit odd.. I think Arkansas is even more solid Bush than Missouri.  And New Hampshire seems likely to go Republican.  Actualy its a pretty odd map, but I'd like to know why he think Ohio is solid.
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« Reply #989 on: February 11, 2004, 12:16:33 pm »


He only has New Hampshire changing hands...how is Arkansas "very competitive"HuhHuhHuhHuh??

Yeah its a bit odd.. I think Arkansas is even more solid Bush than Missouri.  And New Hampshire seems likely to go Republican.  Actualy its a pretty odd map, but I'd like to know why he think Ohio is solid.

It doesn't seem to trustworthy, imo. Also, he only has 2 categories, so he isn't saying that Ohio is solid, only that it isn't "very competitive", like Arkansas...
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« Reply #990 on: February 11, 2004, 12:31:44 pm »

? you looking at same map?  Ohio is probably Bush where as Arkansas is listed as more competitive.


He only has New Hampshire changing hands...how is Arkansas "very competitive"HuhHuhHuhHuh??

Yeah its a bit odd.. I think Arkansas is even more solid Bush than Missouri.  And New Hampshire seems likely to go Republican.  Actualy its a pretty odd map, but I'd like to know why he think Ohio is solid.

It doesn't seem to trustworthy, imo. Also, he only has 2 categories, so he isn't saying that Ohio is solid, only that it isn't "very competitive", like Arkansas...
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« Reply #991 on: February 11, 2004, 12:36:17 pm »

Yeah...that's what I said, I think... Wink

? you looking at same map?  Ohio is probably Bush where as Arkansas is listed as more competitive.


He only has New Hampshire changing hands...how is Arkansas "very competitive"HuhHuhHuhHuh??

Yeah its a bit odd.. I think Arkansas is even more solid Bush than Missouri.  And New Hampshire seems likely to go Republican.  Actualy its a pretty odd map, but I'd like to know why he think Ohio is solid.

It doesn't seem to trustworthy, imo. Also, he only has 2 categories, so he isn't saying that Ohio is solid, only that it isn't "very competitive", like Arkansas...
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« Reply #992 on: February 11, 2004, 01:23:59 pm »

Edwards won't be next to drop, I think Dean will be, he is way out at the back and has only performed well in Caucuses.
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« Reply #993 on: February 11, 2004, 01:33:51 pm »

Edwards won't be next to drop, I think Dean will be, he is way out at the back and has only performed well in Caucuses.

Dean should be the next to drop, in fact he should have droppes after NH, but now Dean might never drop, so therefore I think Edwards might well be the next to drop out. He's spent.
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« Reply #994 on: February 11, 2004, 03:38:11 pm »

Dean won't ever drop out...I think he will stay in the race and try to be drafted at the convention.
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« Reply #995 on: February 11, 2004, 04:46:29 pm »

Edwards won't be next to drop, I think Dean will be, he is way out at the back and has only performed well in Caucuses.

I think he still has more delegates than Edwards though.
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« Reply #996 on: February 11, 2004, 04:48:09 pm »

Dean has thw second most delegates, somehow.
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« Reply #997 on: February 11, 2004, 04:49:45 pm »

True, though he never really talks about social issues much, so maybe he is more liberal on those, but just emphasizes his conservative positions.

He's said that he "certainly" isn't a Christian, which says something.

Classical Liberal, not religious in any fashion, though reared as a 'Wasp'.  My only comment on religions is whether or not I like their influence on society - for example I enjoy living in a Buddhist country.  I support the Republicans because they're the party of economic freedom *relatively speaking*.  I'm a bit Machiavelian in my view of politics because I'm not quite as enamoured of 'democracy' as most of you guys.
Anyway, enough about boring old me - OH will go Bush in '04 as long as the economy booms between now and Nov.  Will be close though.  And yes Supersoulties right Muslims don't matter in OH.

Btw Soup I look a bit like Talent as well..

I was just joking with the nazi comment, although I think that keeping Muslims from votin through intimidation is pretty extreme.

LOL that's funny.  Yeah, If I had to pick a politician I look most like it would have to be either Talent or Bob Taft.
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« Reply #998 on: February 11, 2004, 04:49:46 pm »

Dean has thw second most delegates, somehow.

It's a mirage caused by all the endorsements he got early on.  Many of the endorsers were superdelegates.  They are not committed and can vote for whoever they want.  I doubt that all of them would even vote for Dean if the convention were tomorrow.
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« Reply #999 on: February 11, 2004, 05:41:35 pm »

Dean has thw second most delegates, somehow.

It's a mirage caused by all the endorsements he got early on.  Many of the endorsers were superdelegates.  They are not committed and can vote for whoever they want.  I doubt that all of them would even vote for Dean if the convention were tomorrow.

Exactly, that is indeed the reason for Dean's hign delegate number.
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