Opinion of Joseph Smith

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Horrible, but I can think of far worse people. It was tragic how he was killed while running for President (!)

[Tory]

FF all the way. I really don't understand the hatred and resentment of Mormonism. It's theology is far more compassionate than that of other Christian groups for the most part.

Oh, really?

Woah, you're blowing me away. Have you not heard of the Inquisition? I wouldn't use that in criticism of the modern Roman Catholic Church. Also, Joseph Smith had nothing to do with the Mountain Meadows Massacre, and the evidence isn't conclusive that Brigham Young had anything to do with it either.

Why do you keep defending Mormonism?

Because it's being unfairly attacked by people who either don't understand it or are just intolerant.

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How is it rude or intolerant? That's a ludicrous statement. Is it rude or intolerant for some self help guru to promote their new book? Anyway, it's their personal choice to go on these missions, and they aren't hurting anyone, so who are you to say it's crap?

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I think it's you who haven't met any Mormons, because youre severely stereotyping them. What proof do you have that ALL Mormons follow this party line youre talking about? HARRY REID IS A MORMON. And the ones in the UK and Germany that I've met aren't judgemental at all, and a great deal of them are originally from the United States. Why don't you stop listening to what your friends tell you about the Church and find out the truth for yourself?

[minionofmidas]

FF all the way. I really don't understand the hatred and resentment of Mormonism. It's theology is far more compassionate than that of other Christian groups for the most part.

Oh, really?

Woah, you're blowing me away. Have you not heard of the Inquisition? I wouldn't use that in criticism of the modern Roman Catholic Church. Also, Joseph Smith had nothing to do with the Mountain Meadows Massacre, and the evidence isn't conclusive that Brigham Young had anything to do with it either.

Why do you keep defending Mormonism? Its not like anyone here is defending Oswald Mosley.

One of my biggest problems with Mormons is this whole "mission" crap they do in their 20's. It is rude and intolerant of them to try and steal people from other religions.

I never had you down for a Hindutva Nazi!

[Bono]

FF all the way. I really don't understand the hatred and resentment of Mormonism. It's theology is far more compassionate than that of other Christian groups for the most part. And fundamentalists are at least kicked out of the church and remain on the fringe. Anyone who has been to an LDS service will tell you it's definitely more free-thinking than most other mainstream churches and really could never be considered a cult. Aside from that, theyre some of the nicest and least judgemental people I've ever met.

Well let's see: Baptismal Regeneration; Baptism for the dead; denial of the trinity; denial of the timelessness of God, denial of creation ex nihilo; claims of new special revelation in the book of mormon. Want more?

I don't know what you think that's supposed to mean to me

It's a likely incomplete list of mormon theological errors.

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

HP. Mormonism ranks down there with Fundamentalist islam, scientology and the southern baptist convention

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FF all the way. I really don't understand the hatred and resentment of Mormonism. It's theology is far more compassionate than that of other Christian groups for the most part. And fundamentalists are at least kicked out of the church and remain on the fringe. Anyone who has been to an LDS service will tell you it's definitely more free-thinking than most other mainstream churches and really could never be considered a cult. Aside from that, theyre some of the nicest and least judgemental people I've ever met.

Have you heard the story of how Smith translated out of a hat?

I also read once that the suicide rate among Mormon youth is significantly higher than the average.

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Still Tory, the fact remains, Joseph Smith claimed the ability to read ancient greek and hebrew, when challenged to do so in front of a court of law he failed to be able to show this "ability", thus proving him a fraud and a liar. My savior, Jesus Christ, preformed his miracles and preached before thousands, and thier is very little questions as to his activities. I don't know about you, but I don't think I'd want to be involved in a faith whos' founder was a proven liar.

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

I don't know much about him, but all I have to say is:



Freedom Fighter!

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I don't know much about him, but all I have to say is:



Freedom Fighter!

Oh, yeah, well...

[Cubby]

I think it's you who haven't met any Mormons, because youre severely stereotyping them. What proof do you have that ALL Mormons follow this party line youre talking about? HARRY REID IS A MORMON. And the ones in the UK and Germany that I've met aren't judgemental at all, and a great deal of them are originally from the United States. Why don't you stop listening to what your friends tell you about the Church and find out the truth for yourself?

I do know a Mormon or two, and I knew another family when I was younger. So its not like I have no experience with them. Yes they are "nice" people, but that doesn't make any difference. They breed like rabbits and complain about discrimination (hence the move to Utah) then turn around and discriminate themselves now that they have more power.

By "party line" I meant their social beliefs, not political party. Harry Reid and Gordon Smith are good people.

[minionofmidas]

FF all the way. I really don't understand the hatred and resentment of Mormonism. It's theology is far more compassionate than that of other Christian groups for the most part. And fundamentalists are at least kicked out of the church and remain on the fringe. Anyone who has been to an LDS service will tell you it's definitely more free-thinking than most other mainstream churches and really could never be considered a cult. Aside from that, theyre some of the nicest and least judgemental people I've ever met.

Well let's see: Baptismal Regeneration; Baptism for the dead; denial of the trinity; denial of the timelessness of God, denial of creation ex nihilo; claims of new special revelation in the book of mormon. Want more?

I don't know what you think that's supposed to mean to me

It's a likely incomplete list of mormon theological errors.

Denial of the Trinity is not a theological error. It's basic common sense.

[minionofmidas]

FF all the way. I really don't understand the hatred and resentment of Mormonism. It's theology is far more compassionate than that of other Christian groups for the most part.

Oh, really?

Woah, you're blowing me away. Have you not heard of the Inquisition? I wouldn't use that in criticism of the modern Roman Catholic Church. Also, Joseph Smith had nothing to do with the Mountain Meadows Massacre, and the evidence isn't conclusive that Brigham Young had anything to do with it either.

Why do you keep defending Mormonism? Its not like anyone here is defending Oswald Mosley.

One of my biggest problems with Mormons is this whole "mission" crap they do in their 20's. It is rude and intolerant of them to try and steal people from other religions.

I never had you down for a Hindutva Nazi!

Let me extrapolate on that...

There are two basic concepts of what religion is really all about.

The one is that religion is about the individual's conscience and personal belief. That's actually the newer standpoint, which wasn't fully spelt out until the enlightenment/reformation era, although it was foreshadowed many times before - in early Christianity, all over Islamic theology, and even before that.

The other one is that religion is the compulsory rituals that a tribe or community has to perform together. If you don't like it, you either do it anyways or are not part of the community.

Only the first concept is compatible with the concepts underlying liberal democracy (although the second one might provide some clues about why organized religion survives in the West today...). The ideas expressed in your post belong squarely to the primitive school.

[Bono]

FF all the way. I really don't understand the hatred and resentment of Mormonism. It's theology is far more compassionate than that of other Christian groups for the most part. And fundamentalists are at least kicked out of the church and remain on the fringe. Anyone who has been to an LDS service will tell you it's definitely more free-thinking than most other mainstream churches and really could never be considered a cult. Aside from that, theyre some of the nicest and least judgemental people I've ever met.

Well let's see: Baptismal Regeneration; Baptism for the dead; denial of the trinity; denial of the timelessness of God, denial of creation ex nihilo; claims of new special revelation in the book of mormon. Want more?

I don't know what you think that's supposed to mean to me

It's a likely incomplete list of mormon theological errors.

Denial of the Trinity is not a theological error. It's basic common sense.

Just because you can't have three centers of consciousness, doesn't mean God can't. Don't try to make God in your image.
Besides, the trinity is evident, both through the Old and New Testament.

[minionofmidas]

FF all the way. I really don't understand the hatred and resentment of Mormonism. It's theology is far more compassionate than that of other Christian groups for the most part. And fundamentalists are at least kicked out of the church and remain on the fringe. Anyone who has been to an LDS service will tell you it's definitely more free-thinking than most other mainstream churches and really could never be considered a cult. Aside from that, theyre some of the nicest and least judgemental people I've ever met.

Well let's see: Baptismal Regeneration; Baptism for the dead; denial of the trinity; denial of the timelessness of God, denial of creation ex nihilo; claims of new special revelation in the book of mormon. Want more?

I don't know what you think that's supposed to mean to me

It's a likely incomplete list of mormon theological errors.

Denial of the Trinity is not a theological error. It's basic common sense.

Just because you can't have three centers of consciousness, doesn't mean God can't. Don't try to make God in your image.

That is so not what I am doing...

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HP

They had an interesting show on a couple weeks ago--called Masterminds.  I've never seen it before, but that episode talked about a guy forging old documents and blackmailing the Mormon church.  It was fascinanting what this guy could forge, but in the end, he got cocky, went into debt and promised the Mormon's a huge bundle of documents w/ bad church secrets, but it was too much for him to get done by the deadline, so he tried to blow up some church officials--succeeded in 1 and bombed himself in the other-->survived and was tried for murder and a whole bunch of other things.