Who would you have voted for?

[12th Doctor]

1900: McKinnley
1904: TR
1908: Taft (the most under-rated president in history in my oppinion)
1912: TR
1916: Hughes
1920: Harding
1924: Coolidge
1928: Smith
1932: Hoover
1936: Landon
1940: Willkie
1944: Dewey
1948: Truman
1952: Eisenhower
1956: Eisenhower
1960: Nixon
1964: Goldwater
1968: Nixon
1972: Nixon
1976: Ford
1980: Reagan
1984: Reagan
1988: Bush
1992: Bush
1996: Dole
2000: Bush

I don't get why you would have voted against FDR four times, expecially when your other choice was Hoover, the worst president in history, hands down.

The weird thing is, the only time Supersoulty would've voted Democrat is 1928, Hoover's first election, when no one else did! (Hoover thrashed Smith 58-40) Why would someone vote against Hoover in 1928, but for him in 1932?

Smith's views are closer to my own than Hoover's, but FDR is much farther away from me than Hoover.  Remember that Smith repudiated the Democratic Party in 1936, even though he supported FDR over Hoover at first.

OK, is makes a weird kind of sense...someone named Smith is the only Democrat that you would ever have voted for? It's still hard to accept...

I would have voted for Truman over Dewey.

Oh, sorry, missed that. So you're really anti-FDR, huh?

How do you think the American economy would have fared under Hoover?

Don't get me wrong, Hoover made a lot of mistakes, but the Depression wasn't his fault, it would have happened no matter who was president.  The events that set the Depression in motion started at the end of WWI.  An often ignored fact is that when Hoover left office, the economy was recovering and unemployment was down.  It kept getting lower during the first two years of the FDR administration (still Hoover's economy) and then spiked again in the third and fourth years of FDR's administration (FDR's economy).  So for ALL that Hoover was doing wrong, he must have done SOMETHING right.

I don't have immediate access to statistics from that time, but that sounds dubious. I do know that the stock market did not recover until the 50s. I believe that Keynesian policies were necessary to battle the depression, and I don't think Hoover would've done that, hence it would have been worse than it would otherwise have been.

To be fair I should point out that the numbers I am using are for private sector employment.  The acctual number of those employed did go up during MOST of the FDR administration, but ALL of the net gain in jobs can be attributed to government works projects, which is "artificial" when considering acctual economic impact.

Not really, since that was part of the point, stimulating the economy through public projects. What would've happened if these people had been unemployed?

What would have happened if FDR hadn'd regulated the CRAP out of the economy?  The fact is that in 1938, we were no closer to acctually getting out of the Depression.  WWII is what pulled the country out of Depression, not the New Deal.

[Gustaf]

1900: McKinnley
1904: TR
1908: Taft (the most under-rated president in history in my oppinion)
1912: TR
1916: Hughes
1920: Harding
1924: Coolidge
1928: Smith
1932: Hoover
1936: Landon
1940: Willkie
1944: Dewey
1948: Truman
1952: Eisenhower
1956: Eisenhower
1960: Nixon
1964: Goldwater
1968: Nixon
1972: Nixon
1976: Ford
1980: Reagan
1984: Reagan
1988: Bush
1992: Bush
1996: Dole
2000: Bush

I don't get why you would have voted against FDR four times, expecially when your other choice was Hoover, the worst president in history, hands down.

The weird thing is, the only time Supersoulty would've voted Democrat is 1928, Hoover's first election, when no one else did! (Hoover thrashed Smith 58-40) Why would someone vote against Hoover in 1928, but for him in 1932?

Smith's views are closer to my own than Hoover's, but FDR is much farther away from me than Hoover.  Remember that Smith repudiated the Democratic Party in 1936, even though he supported FDR over Hoover at first.

OK, is makes a weird kind of sense...someone named Smith is the only Democrat that you would ever have voted for? It's still hard to accept...

I would have voted for Truman over Dewey.

Oh, sorry, missed that. So you're really anti-FDR, huh?

How do you think the American economy would have fared under Hoover?

Don't get me wrong, Hoover made a lot of mistakes, but the Depression wasn't his fault, it would have happened no matter who was president.  The events that set the Depression in motion started at the end of WWI.  An often ignored fact is that when Hoover left office, the economy was recovering and unemployment was down.  It kept getting lower during the first two years of the FDR administration (still Hoover's economy) and then spiked again in the third and fourth years of FDR's administration (FDR's economy).  So for ALL that Hoover was doing wrong, he must have done SOMETHING right.

I don't have immediate access to statistics from that time, but that sounds dubious. I do know that the stock market did not recover until the 50s. I believe that Keynesian policies were necessary to battle the depression, and I don't think Hoover would've done that, hence it would have been worse than it would otherwise have been.

To be fair I should point out that the numbers I am using are for private sector employment.  The acctual number of those employed did go up during MOST of the FDR administration, but ALL of the net gain in jobs can be attributed to government works projects, which is "artificial" when considering acctual economic impact.

Not really, since that was part of the point, stimulating the economy through public projects. What would've happened if these people had been unemployed?

What would have happened if FDR hadn'd regulated the CRAP out of the economy?  The fact is that in 1938, we were no closer to acctually getting out of the Depression.  WWII is what pulled the country out of Depression, not the New Deal.

I don't think that's a universally held view, but I don't know enough about these things to be sure. I will ask my father, he's an economist.

[Michael Z]

1900: McKinley
1904: T Roosevelt
1908: Bryan
1912: T Roosevelt
1916: Wilson
1920: Debs
1924: John Davis
1928: Smith
1932: FDR
1936: FDR
1940: FDR
1944: FDR
1948: Truman
1952: Stevenson
1956: Eisenhower
1960: JFK
1964: LBJ
1968: Humphrey
1972: McGovern
1976: Carter
1980: Reagan
1984: Mondale
1988: Dukakis
1992: Clinton
1996: Clinton
2000: Gore

[afleitch]

I can only really look back to 1932 on this one

1932: Roosevelt
1936: Roosevelt
1940: Roosevelt
1944: Roosevelt
1948: Truman
1952: Stevenson
1956: Eisenhower
1960: Kennedy
1964: Johnson
1968: Nixon
1972: Nixon
1976: Carter
1980: Carter
1984: Reagan
1988: Dukakis
1992: Clinton
1996: Clinton
2000: Gore

And like Marge Simpson I would have voted for Carter...twice I'm British, so I wouldn't be allowed to vote!

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I'll do the pre-democratic elections tomorrow

I would have supported the Democrats during the Civil War for several different reasons.
The main one is that I would have blamed Lincoln for starting it...

That might well be true, but they still were a bunch of Southern aristocrats keeping slaves!

The Northern Democrat's were Southern Aristocrat's???

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I've just realized that I'm the only person to have voted for Bryan all 3 times...
What have you all got against him?
C'mon what's wrong with the "Cross of Gold" speech?

And you can't justify it with the Scopes trial. That came later.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

If I was an Elector...

1789: Washington
1792: Jefferson
1796: Jefferson
1800: Jefferson
1804: Jefferson
1808: Madison
1812: Madison
1816: Monroe
1820: Monroe

[minionofmidas]

The Depression was ended by WW II. That America survived it that long is probably due to the New Deal. The Economy was not yet recovering the day FDR took office. In fact it was at its lowest point pretty exactly then. There hadn't been a single bank open in the nation for a week. The part about the "Roosevelt Recession" (Republican Spin Term of the time) in 37/38 is totally correct though.

Here's my votes - thank god I'm not allowed to vote in America!

1789 Washington (because everybody else did)
1792 Washington
1796 Jefferson
1800 Jefferson (with hindsight of even 20 years, these would be Adams. But back then I probably wouldn't have cared about slavery)
1804 Jefferson
1808 Madison
1812 Madison
1816 Monroe or King? Tough one
1820 abstain
1824 Jackson or Clay. Probably Clay
1828 Adams
1832 Clay
1836 Van Buren
1840 Van Buren
1844 Probably Free Soil
1848 Van Buren (Free Soil)
1852 not sure
1856 Fremont
1860 Lincoln
1864 Lincoln
1868 Grant
1872 Greeley or some third party (Grant was just too corrupt)
1876 Hayes
1880 Greenback-Labor, if on the ballot
1884 Greenback-Labor
1888 Cleveland
1892 Populist
1896 Bryan
1900 Bryan
1904 Debs
1908 Debs or Bryan. Depends on which state I'm in
1912 Debs
1916 Likely Socialist (what's that Candidate called?)
1920 Debs
1924 LaFollette
1928 Probably Smith
1932 FDR
1936 FDR
1940 FDR
1944 FDR
1948 Likely Wallace but might be Truman
1952 probably abstain or far-out left wing
1956 ditto
1960 Kennedy
1964 LBJ
1968 Humphrey, if I had forgiven him for Chicago. Otherwise fringe candidate
1972 McGovern
1976 Carter or possibly McCarthy
1980 Carter
1984 Mondale
1988 Dukakis or fringe candidate
1992 Clinton
1996 Nader
2000 very probably Nader. Depends on the state though

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Someone else would vote for Bryan!

[Gustaf]

I'll do the pre-democratic elections tomorrow

I would have supported the Democrats during the Civil War for several different reasons.
The main one is that I would have blamed Lincoln for starting it...

That might well be true, but they still were a bunch of Southern aristocrats keeping slaves!

The Northern Democrat's were Southern Aristocrat's???

Who said the Northern Democrats? But I get what you mean, what were the policies of the Northern Democrats on "Civil War issues" then?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

They supported the war but thought that Lincoln was mismanaging it.
And opposed the excesses of Sherman et al.

[Gustaf]

They supported the war but thought that Lincoln was mismanaging it.
And opposed the excesses of Sherman et al.

Well, who wouldn't be opposed to George "burn 'em all" Sherman?

[opebo]

They supported the war but thought that Lincoln was mismanaging it.
And opposed the excesses of Sherman et al.

Well, who wouldn't be opposed to George "burn 'em all" Sherman?

Shermans win wars.  He's a type of general that is necessary - like Curtis LeMay in WWII and the cold war.  Doesn't make a popular politician after retirement though.

[Gustaf]

They supported the war but thought that Lincoln was mismanaging it.
And opposed the excesses of Sherman et al.

Well, who wouldn't be opposed to George "burn 'em all" Sherman?

Shermans win wars.  He's a type of general that is necessary - like Curtis LeMay in WWII and the cold war.  Doesn't make a popular politician after retirement though.

I don't know if they're really that necessary. Curtis LeMay was Wallace's insane running mate in 1968, wasn't he?

[opebo]

They supported the war but thought that Lincoln was mismanaging it.
And opposed the excesses of Sherman et al.

Well, who wouldn't be opposed to George "burn 'em all" Sherman?

Shermans win wars.  He's a type of general that is necessary - like Curtis LeMay in WWII and the cold war.  Doesn't make a popular politician after retirement though.

I don't know if they're really that necessary. Curtis LeMay was Wallace's insane running mate in 1968, wasn't he?

Yes!  I would have voted for him anytime, but of course most people would not.

[Gustaf]

They supported the war but thought that Lincoln was mismanaging it.
And opposed the excesses of Sherman et al.

Well, who wouldn't be opposed to George "burn 'em all" Sherman?

Shermans win wars.  He's a type of general that is necessary - like Curtis LeMay in WWII and the cold war.  Doesn't make a popular politician after retirement though.

I don't know if they're really that necessary. Curtis LeMay was Wallace's insane running mate in 1968, wasn't he?

Yes!  I would have voted for him anytime, but of course most people would not.

Are you talking about LeMay or Wallace? Wasn't it LeMay who claimed that nuclear testing wasn't dangerous?

[opebo]

I meant LeMay.  I don't know about his claims about nuclear testing, but he was quite a hawk, and I like that.

[© tweed]

Nice to see Trondheim would have voted against Reagan twice...that makes two of us!

[Gustaf]

Nice to see Trondheim would have voted against Reagan twice...that makes two of us!

Well, he seems to be way to the left, since he wouldn't vote for the Democratic candidate in lots of elections.

[Michael Z]

Nice to see Trondheim would have voted against Reagan twice...that makes two of us!

To be honest, the only reason I "voted" Reagan in 1980 was for diversity's sake... otherwise, I would've voted for every Democratic candidate since 1960, and frankly that would have just been plain dull.

[© tweed]

Nice to see Trondheim would have voted against Reagan twice...that makes two of us!

To be honest, the only reason I "voted" Reagan in 1980 was for diversity's sake... otherwise, I would've voted for every Democratic candidate since 1960, and frankly that would have just been plain dull.

Well, you still voted for Reagan.  Shame on you.

[zorkpolitics]

1948: Truman

1952: Eisenhower

1956: Eisenhower

1960: Kennedy

1964: LBJ

1968: Humphrey

The following are my actual Presidential votes:
1972: McGovern

1976: Carter

1980: Anderson

1984: Reagan

1988: Bush

1992: Perot (but almost Clinton)

1996: Dole

2000: Bush

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

1792: Jefferson

1796: Jefferson

1800: Jefferson

1804: Jefferson

1808: Madison

1812: Madison

1816: Monroe

1820: Monroe

1824: Clay

1828: Jackson

1832: Clay

1836: Harrison

1840: Harrison

1844: Clay (although I am related to Polk!)

1848: Taylor

1852: Hale

1856: Scott

1860: Bell

1864: My state did not cast an electoral vote

1868: Grant

1872: Grant

1876: Hayes

1880: Garfield

1884: Blaine

1888: Harrison

1892: Harrison

1896: McKinley

1900: McKinley

1904: Roosevelt

1908: Taft

1912: Roosevelt

1916: Hughes

1920: Harding

1924: Coolidge

1928: Hoover

1932: Hoover

1936: Landon

1940: Wilkie

1944: Dewey

1948: Dewey

1952: Eisenhower

1956: Eisenhower

1960: Nixon

1964: Goldwater

1968: Nixon

1972: Nixon

1976: Ford

1980: Reagan, but Anderson might have been tempting

1984: Reagan

1988: Bush

1992: Bush, but Perot would have been tempting

1996: Dole

2000: Bush (actual vote)

[Filuwaúrdjan]

1860: Bell

Good for you

[MarkDel]

I guess this is as good a thread as any to make my first post. Here goes with my voting preferences in the 20th Century.

1900: McKinley
1904: T. Roosevelt
1908: Taft
1912: T. Roosevelt
1916: Hughes
1920: Harding
1924: Coolidge
1928: Hoover
1932: Hoover
1936: F.D.R.
1940: F.D.R.
1944: F.D.R.
1948: Truman
1952: Eisenhower
1956: Eisenhower
1960: Nixon
1964: Goldwater
1968: Nixon
1972: Nixon
1976: Ford
1980: Reagan
1984: Reagan
1988: Bush I
1992: Bush I
1996: Dole
2000: Bush II