Note to American Voters: There is no escape!

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

WE have enough bioweaposn to make the middle east be depopulated osi ts nto an issue

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WE have enough bioweaposn to make the middle east be depopulated osi ts nto an issue

and how is that a solution to the problem?

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

There would be not enough terrorist scum or potential insurgents alive for their to be any issues.

[opebo]

I am simply saying:

1) The War on Terror is predicated upon and driven by religion.

No, that is the 'Terror', not the 'War on Terror'. 

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That seems to me a reasonable goal.  I advocate abandoning Isreal.

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Why should we care if Isreal is the battlefield instead of Iraq, as long as we drop our involvement?

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Well, that is suicidal of them, but again, why should we care?

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Why on earth not withdraw and go home?  We gain nothing by supporting the fascist theocracy Isreal.  Let them fight it out.

[AuH2O]

The "civil war" in Iraq can only go on so long, because the Sunnis are getting wiped out. Millions have fled the country and lots of more are dying in retaliation for Sunni terror attacks. They were a fairly small minority to begin with.

In theory that puts Iran in a position to pull the strings in Iraq, except Iraqi Shia hate Iran, just less than the Sunnis do. But there will be conflict within the Shia community with regard to the position of Iran in Iraqi politics.

In any case, with Iran dominating the region, and Pakistan constantly threatened by radical Islamic takeover, it's only a matter of time before nuclear weapons are transferred to terrorist groups. My guess is that we have about 20 years before multiple Western cities go up in flames.

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First we should adopt a comprehensive approach that will get the civilized world, meaning the moderate governments and parties of all countries, united. That means tackling long-standing issues like Palestine and Syria

They are intent on destroying Israel.  They only negotiate to buy time to regroup and rearm.  Their religion teaches them that they are the heirs of Abraham.  That is not negotiable

hate to add another nail in the Peace Coffin, I mean "Peace Process", but...

The ruling Islamic militant group Hamas said on Tuesday a planned Palestinian unity government would not recognize Israel or accept a two-state solution to the Middle East conflict.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15710924/from/RS.3/

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From Hamas' charter:

"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it."

"The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. "

"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."

"After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying."

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

the solution to the palestinian quesiton is walling off gaza and the west bank then flooding it with nerve gas.

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"The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. "

A waqf is an inalienable religious endowment in Islam.

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more news...

Plutonium Found in Iran Waste Facility

International Atomic Energy experts have found unexplained plutonium and enriched uranium traces in a nuclear waste facility in Iran and have asked Tehran for an explanation, an IAEA report said Tuesday.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/11/14/D8LCVEU01.html

[Citizen James]

Of course there are also a lot of dispensationalists who also yearn for a bloody war in the middle east, as they see it as a forebear of 'end times' as interpereted by their prophet John Nelson Darby by stringing together various phrases out of the old and new testaments along with a number of vauge 'interperetations' which had nothing to do with history and a lot to do with apocolyptism.

In their twisting of fate and yearning for violent struggle (as well as opposition to any sort of spiritual  or intelectual growth), one almost has to wonder if the two groups are not both closer to Crowley than the Christ.

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

Of course there are also a lot of dispensationalists who also yearn for a bloody war in the middle east, as they see it as a forebear of 'end times' as interpereted by their prophet John Nelson Darby by stringing together various phrases out of the old and new testaments along with a number of vauge 'interperetations' which had nothing to do with history and a lot to do with apocolyptism.

In their twisting of fate and yearning for violent struggle (as well as opposition to any sort of spiritual  or intelectual growth), one almost has to wonder if the two groups are not both closer to Crowley than the Christ.

Now that's a bit unfar to Crowley.

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Of course there are also a lot of dispensationalists who also yearn for a bloody war in the middle east, as they see it as a forebear of 'end times' as interpereted by their prophet John Nelson Darby by stringing together various phrases out of the old and new testaments along with a number of vauge 'interperetations' which had nothing to do with history and a lot to do with apocolyptism.

In their twisting of fate and yearning for violent struggle (as well as opposition to any sort of spiritual  or intelectual growth), one almost has to wonder if the two groups are not both closer to Crowley than the Christ.

“Intelectual” is spelled i-n-t-e-l-l-e-c-t-u-a-l
…and “interpereted” is spelled i-n-t-e-r-p-r-e-t-e-d
…and “vauge” is spelled v-a-g-u-e

And this is the definition of yearn:

Main Entry: yearn
Pronunciation: 'y&rn
Function: intransitive verb
Etymology: Middle English yernen, from Old English giernan; akin to Old High German gerOn to desire, Latin hortari to urge, encourage, Greek chairein to rejoice
1 : to long persistently, wistfully, or sadly <yearns to make a difference>
2 : to feel tenderness or compassion

But, I believe the word you're searching for is foresee:

Main Entry: fore•see
Pronunciation: for-'sE
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): fore•saw  /-'so/; fore•seen  /-'sEn/; -see•ing
: to see (as a development) beforehand

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As for as the differences between our religions...May the Lord always grant us peace.  But consider carefully the following question:

Can you name a single prophet of your religion who did NOT prophesy war?

[Michael Z]

Of course there are also a lot of dispensationalists who also yearn for a bloody war in the middle east, as they see it as a forebear of 'end times' as interpereted by their prophet John Nelson Darby by stringing together various phrases out of the old and new testaments along with a number of vauge 'interperetations' which had nothing to do with history and a lot to do with apocolyptism.

In their twisting of fate and yearning for violent struggle (as well as opposition to any sort of spiritual  or intelectual growth), one almost has to wonder if the two groups are not both closer to Crowley than the Christ.

“Intelectual” is spelled i-n-t-e-l-l-e-c-t-u-a-l
…and “interpereted” is spelled i-n-t-e-r-p-r-e-t-e-d
…and “vauge” is spelled v-a-g-u-e

And this is the definition of yearn:

Main Entry: yearn
Pronunciation: 'y&rn
Function: intransitive verb
Etymology: Middle English yernen, from Old English giernan; akin to Old High German gerOn to desire, Latin hortari to urge, encourage, Greek chairein to rejoice
1 : to long persistently, wistfully, or sadly <yearns to make a difference>
2 : to feel tenderness or compassion

But, I believe the word you're searching for is foresee:

Main Entry: fore•see
Pronunciation: for-'sE
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): fore•saw  /-'so/; fore•seen  /-'sEn/; -see•ing
: to see (as a development) beforehand

And you wonder why most people would rather eat sh**t than have a discussion with you.

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And you wonder why most people would rather eat sh**t than have a discussion with you.

Well, if someone is going to trumpet their intellectual superiority over me, is the capability to spell the word intellectual too much to expect?

Notwithstanding his mis-labeling of my concern as war-mongering, the main point of my post was the following:

As for as the differences between our religions...May the Lord always grant us peace.  But consider carefully the following question:

Can you name a single prophet of your religion who did NOT prophesy war?

In other words, if every single prophet of the bible prophesied war, why should he, a Christian, have a problem with fellow Christians' expectations of war?

[Citizen James]

Well, I'm not up to looking up "every single prophet". Though I doubt that all the speakers in the Bible spoke as a single Greek chorus; claiming that wars will happen and disasters will occur is like predicitng death and taxes.  And through it all the rain will "fall on the just and the unjust".

On the spelling, guilty as charged.  I certainly would not win any spelling bees.  However, the old Grammarian dodge is so old and worn that I have to wonder if you recognize that these exchanges to be eseentially meaningless beyond a bit of an exersize in mental gymnastics.

And it would seem to me from your postings that yearn (definition 1) describes you to a T.  As for forsee, I consider Mr. Darby to be a false prophet - and possibly you as well as you seem so certain of your ineritterant belief in very specific interperetations of texts which are quite vague.

 Perhaps you are dragging the scriptures out of their historical context and twisting them so you can feel important as one of the "good guys" in a world filled only with the good, the evil, and the ignorant sheep.  I really don't know.  I wish you could get the help you seem to need, but you must use your God-Given free will to turn away from your madness and recognize that faith (even some varieties of fundementalist faith) goes far beyond and far deeper than a petty "us vs. them" mentality.   Remember what Jesus said was the second most important commandment.  Does that not mean anything to you?  Or is war and enimity all you know?

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As for as the differences between our religions...May the Lord always grant us peace.  But consider carefully the following question:

Can you name a single prophet of your religion who did NOT prophesy war?

Well, I'm not up to looking up "every single prophet". Though I doubt that all the speakers in the Bible spoke as a single Greek chorus.

… I consider Mr. Darby to be a false prophet

Has it ever occurred to you that you know more about the beliefs of people you disagree with than you know about your own bible?

[opebo]

There was also 'no escape' from communism, at least according to the rightwing nationalists of that day.  Of course, these things always turn out to be bogey-men.   What there is really 'no escape' from is the Empire - please note this, Muslim-types.

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And it would seem to me from your postings that yearn (definition 1) describes you to a T.

no, actually warnings are meant to PREVENT.  Those who warned against Hitler in the mid-1930s were also dismissed as extremists and alarmists.

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  As for forsee, I consider Mr. Darby to be a false prophet - and possibly you as well as you seem so certain of your ineritterant belief in very specific interperetations of texts which are quite vague.

f-o-r-e-s-e-e does not equate to prophecy.  Those who warned against Hitler in the mid-30's were NOT claiming divine revelations, they simply compared Hilter’s beliefs to his actions and concluded he meant what he said.  Likewise, this Iranian president also means what he says – he intends to destroy Israel 

And the word interpretation has only 5 syllables, not 6.

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Perhaps you are dragging the scriptures out of their historical context and twisting them so you can feel important as one of the "good guys" in a world filled only with the good, the evil, and the ignorant sheep.  I really don't know.  I wish you could get the help you seem to need, but you must use your God-Given free will to turn away from your madness and recognize that faith (even some varieties of fundementalist faith) goes far beyond and far deeper than a petty "us vs. them" mentality.   Remember what Jesus said was the second most important commandment.  Does that not mean anything to you?  Or is war and enimity all you know?

warning that war clouds are on the horizon does NOT equate to hating people, otherwise ALL the prophets of the bible, including Jesus himself, would be haters.

[Bono]

I consider Mr. Darby to be a false prophet - and possibly you as well as you seem so certain of your ineritterant belief in very specific interperetations of texts which are quite vague.

 

I don't think Darby ever prophecized anything. I think the word you are looking for is "heretic".(Darby, not jmfcst)

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/01/24/wiran24.xml

N Korea helping Iran with nuclear testing
By Con Coughlin
Last Updated: 3:23pm GMT 24/01/2007

North Korea is helping Iran to prepare an underground nuclear test similar to the one Pyongyang carried out last year.

Under the terms of a new understanding between the two countries, the North Koreans have agreed to share all the data and information they received from their successful test last October with Teheran's nuclear scientists.

Nuclear partners? Iran's president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Kim Jong il of N Korea

North Korea provoked an international outcry when it successfully fired a bomb at a secret underground location and Western intelligence officials are convinced that Iran is working on its own weapons programme.

A senior European defence official told The Daily Telegraph that North Korea had invited a team of Iranian nuclear scientists to study the results of last October's underground test to assist Teheran's preparations to conduct its own — possibly by the end of this year.

There were unconfirmed reports at the time of the Korean firing that an Iranian team was present. Iranian military advisers regularly visit North Korea to participate in missile tests.

Now the long-standing military co-operation between the countries has been extended to nuclear issues.

As a result, senior western military officials are deeply concerned that the North Koreans' technical superiority will allow the Iranians to accelerate development of their own nuclear weapon.

"The Iranians are working closely with the North Koreans to study the results of last year's North Korean nuclear bomb test," said the European defence official.

"We have identified increased activity at all of Iran's nuclear facilities since the turn of the year," he said.

"All the indications are that the Iranians are working hard to prepare for their own underground nuclear test."

The disclosure of the nuclear co-operation between North Korea and Iran comes as Teheran seems set on a collision course with the West over its nuclear programme, although it insists it is entirely peaceful.

Both countries were named in President George W Bush's famous "axis of evil" State of the Union speech in 2002.

The United Nations Security Council has unanimously authorised the imposition of "smart" sanctions against Iran.

This is because of its refusal to suspend its uranium enrichment programme, which most Western intelligence agencies believe is part of a clandestine nuclear weapons programme.

France expressed concern yesterday over an Iranian decision to bar 38 UN nuclear inspectors from Iran, claiming that Teheran appeared to be singling out westerners from the inspection team.

Intelligence estimates vary about how long it could take Teheran to produce a nuclear warhead. But defence officials monitoring the growing co-operation between North Korea and Iran believe the Iranians could be in a position to test fire a low-grade device — less than half a kiloton — within 12 months.

The precise location of the Iranian test site is unknown, but is likely to be located in a mountainous region where it is difficult for spy satellites to pick up any unusual activity.

Teheran successfully concealed the existence of several key nuclear sites — including the controversial Natanz uranium enrichment complex — until their locations were disclosed by Iranian dissidents three years ago.

Western intelligence agencies have reported an increase in the number of North Korean and Iranian scientists travelling between the two countries.

The increased co-operation on nuclear issues began last November when a team of Iranian nuclear scientists met their North Korean counterparts to study the technical and political implications of Pyongyang's nuclear test.

The Iranians are reported to have been encouraged by the fact that no punitive action was taken against North Korea, despite the international outcry that greeted the underground firing.

This has persuaded the Iranian regime to press ahead with its own nuclear programme with the aim of testing a low-grade device, which would be difficult for international inspectors to detect.
 

[Peter]

The last four replies, typed by opebo and jmfcst, have been deleted for containing personal attacks. Do not do it.

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and besides, I am in a position to ascertain whether or not opedo has the sense of a mini-wiener dog - I own two of them

Your post has been reported to the nazis, theocrat.

Unfortunately, “nazi” and “theocrat“ are banned under the Terms of Endearment Clause in Article II Section III of the New Personal Attack Policy.

They are obviously jealous of our love and are conspiring to end our relationship.

Love and kisses,

jmfcst

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

Claim discrimination based on homophobia and thus motion to get Peter Bell's mod powers revoked based on personal attack grounds.

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Claim discrimination based on homophobia and thus motion to get Peter Bell's mod powers revoked based on personal attack grounds.

I will not acknowledge you until you get a hair-cut.