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« on: June 25, 2004, 04:33:46 PM »
Is there anyone out there who could win all 50 states?  I think McCain, Giuliani, or Powell might have a shot if they faced a weak enough opponent in the right circumstances.
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« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2004, 04:35:46 PM »
Considering Reagan almost did, I think it could happen.

John McCain vs. Hillary Clinton could be a 50-state landslide for McCain.

John Edwards vs. Roy Moore could be a 50 state landslide for Edwards.
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« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2004, 04:39:04 PM »
Reagan would have if not for a problem with AF1.  He was going to visit MN, but a problem forced them to cancel.  
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« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2004, 06:58:01 PM »
Quote from: Tredrick on June 25, 2004, 04:39:04 PM
Reagan would have if not for a problem with AF1.  He was going to visit MN, but a problem forced them to cancel.  

Never noticed that Reagan came so close in MN, he only lost by 4000 votes!

However, that was then this is now.

In 1984 Reagan won with a 18% margin and nearly won all 50 states.  But looking at 2000 for Bush to have win all 50 states he would have needed to win by 31% (to overcome Gore's margin in RI) while Gore would needed a margin of 44% (to overcome Bush in Utah).

It was closer in 1996, Clinton would have won all 50 states if he won by 25% (again to get Utah), while Dole would have needed 29% to win all 50 (including MA).

So looks like we need to find a candidate  that could win by 30%, is there anyone in America who could fill that requirement?  Sadly I can’t think of anyone
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« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2004, 07:05:13 PM »
Yes it can happen. Will it happen soon? I doubt it but it can happen.
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« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2004, 08:36:13 PM »
Are we counting DC or not? If so, since it does have EV's, than a Republican would be hard pressed to do it, and judging by recent elections, that would be the only party to have a chance. I like the Republicans chances in MD, MA, and DE better than the Democrats chances in UT, MS, and AL.
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« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2004, 08:40:42 PM »
A Republican could do it, a Democrat likely couldn't.
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« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2004, 08:46:00 PM »

Why not DC? It's not really a sweep if the final EV tally is 535-3.  
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« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2004, 01:06:05 AM »
Quote from: Boss Tweed on June 25, 2004, 08:40:42 PM
A Republican could do it, a Democrat likely couldn't.

Exactly.
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« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2004, 09:27:54 AM »
Quote from: NewFederalist on June 25, 2004, 08:47:37 PM


Nothing was said about an electoral college sweep only winning all 50 states. DC does not qualify on that count.

All right, fine. Since reagan almost did it, it probably could be done, but it would take someone of his campaigning ability to do it.
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« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2004, 02:28:58 PM »
« Edited: June 26, 2004, 02:29:45 PM by Better Red Than Dead »
Edwards couldn't win Alabama. 75% of the people there supported Moore! Also forget Mississippi and Utah.

in today's political landscape: no. Unless the opponent was a huge kook a la LaRouche, but I can't see any realistic matchup winning all 50 states. In fact I can't see anyone in any realistic matchup getting under 100 electoral votes.

I don't believe Reagan would've won 49 states against Mondale today either, since states are now more rigidly partisan. He would lose NY, MA, RI, HI, VT and possibly MD and NJ.
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« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2004, 03:44:24 PM »
Quote from: Better Red Than Dead on June 26, 2004, 02:28:58 PM
Edwards couldn't win Alabama. 75% of the people there supported Moore! Also forget Mississippi and Utah.

in today's political landscape: no. Unless the opponent was a huge kook a la LaRouche, but I can't see any realistic matchup winning all 50 states. In fact I can't see anyone in any realistic matchup getting under 100 electoral votes.

I don't believe Reagan would've won 49 states against Mondale today either, since states are now more rigidly partisan. He would lose NY, MA, RI, HI, VT and possibly MD and NJ.

Both parties know the stakes are too high to go with a LaRouche. Bush vs. Dean had the potential to become a landslide for Bush, but that's why the Dems went against Dean in the primaries.
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« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2004, 03:47:23 PM »
Quote from: Better Red Than Dead on June 26, 2004, 02:28:58 PM
Edwards couldn't win Alabama. 75% of the people there supported Moore! Also forget Mississippi and Utah.

in today's political landscape: no. Unless the opponent was a huge kook a la LaRouche, but I can't see any realistic matchup winning all 50 states. In fact I can't see anyone in any realistic matchup getting under 100 electoral votes.

I don't believe Reagan would've won 49 states against Mondale today either, since states are now more rigidly partisan. He would lose NY, MA, RI, HI, VT and possibly MD and NJ.

The only way I see it happening is if a Democrat was in office and was assasinated 2 months out of the election. Then maybe the VP would win in a landslide.
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« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2004, 03:49:24 PM »
Quote from: Senator StatesRights on June 26, 2004, 03:47:23 PM
Quote from: Better Red Than Dead on June 26, 2004, 02:28:58 PM
Edwards couldn't win Alabama. 75% of the people there supported Moore! Also forget Mississippi and Utah.

in today's political landscape: no. Unless the opponent was a huge kook a la LaRouche, but I can't see any realistic matchup winning all 50 states. In fact I can't see anyone in any realistic matchup getting under 100 electoral votes.

I don't believe Reagan would've won 49 states against Mondale today either, since states are now more rigidly partisan. He would lose NY, MA, RI, HI, VT and possibly MD and NJ.

The only way I see it happening is if a Democrat was in office and was assasinated 2 months out of the election. Then maybe the VP would win in a landslide.

Why would it have to be a Democrat?
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« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2004, 03:59:15 PM »
Quote from: Akno21 on June 26, 2004, 03:49:24 PM
Quote from: Senator StatesRights on June 26, 2004, 03:47:23 PM
Quote from: Better Red Than Dead on June 26, 2004, 02:28:58 PM
Edwards couldn't win Alabama. 75% of the people there supported Moore! Also forget Mississippi and Utah.

in today's political landscape: no. Unless the opponent was a huge kook a la LaRouche, but I can't see any realistic matchup winning all 50 states. In fact I can't see anyone in any realistic matchup getting under 100 electoral votes.

I don't believe Reagan would've won 49 states against Mondale today either, since states are now more rigidly partisan. He would lose NY, MA, RI, HI, VT and possibly MD and NJ.

The only way I see it happening is if a Democrat was in office and was assasinated 2 months out of the election. Then maybe the VP would win in a landslide.

Why would it have to be a Democrat?

I am using this as a example because IMHO it would be easier for a Republican to win a landslide of all 50 states. A Democrat would have a harder time winning states such as Alabama, Utah and Wyoming thus IMHO that would be the only chance a Democrat would really have a chance at winning all 50.
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« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2004, 04:02:20 PM »
Quote from: Senator StatesRights on June 26, 2004, 03:59:15 PM
Quote from: Akno21 on June 26, 2004, 03:49:24 PM
Quote from: Senator StatesRights on June 26, 2004, 03:47:23 PM
Quote from: Better Red Than Dead on June 26, 2004, 02:28:58 PM
Edwards couldn't win Alabama. 75% of the people there supported Moore! Also forget Mississippi and Utah.

in today's political landscape: no. Unless the opponent was a huge kook a la LaRouche, but I can't see any realistic matchup winning all 50 states. In fact I can't see anyone in any realistic matchup getting under 100 electoral votes.

I don't believe Reagan would've won 49 states against Mondale today either, since states are now more rigidly partisan. He would lose NY, MA, RI, HI, VT and possibly MD and NJ.

The only way I see it happening is if a Democrat was in office and was assasinated 2 months out of the election. Then maybe the VP would win in a landslide.

Why would it have to be a Democrat?

I am using this as a example because IMHO it would be easier for a Republican to win a landslide of all 50 states. A Democrat would have a harder time winning states such as Alabama, Utah and Wyoming thus IMHO that would be the only chance a Democrat would really have a chance at winning all 50.

True, there are more staunchly Republican states than staunchly Democratic.  
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« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2004, 04:34:48 PM »
I don't think a Republican could do it under normal circumstances either (unless he was facing LaRouche or Sharpton but those aren't "normal circumstances")
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« Reply #17 on: June 26, 2004, 04:35:56 PM »
Quote from: Better Red Than Dead on June 26, 2004, 04:34:48 PM
I don't think a Republican could do it under normal circumstances either (unless he was facing LaRouche or Sharpton but those aren't "normal circumstances")

In this day and age yes. But over a general historical view. Considering how kind history has been to the GOP since the 1870s.
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« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2004, 01:10:10 AM »
It would have to be a re-election.  Both Reagan and Nixon's 49-state wins were for their second term.  An extremely popular President might be able to pull it off.
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« Reply #19 on: June 29, 2004, 02:38:27 PM »
Quote from: zorkpolitics on June 25, 2004, 06:58:01 PM
But looking at 2000 for Bush to have win all 50 states he would have needed to win by 31% (to overcome Gore's margin in RI) while Gore would needed a margin of 44% (to overcome Bush in Utah).

It is certainly true that a Republican could more easily win 50 states than a Democrat (though both are quite unlikely in this era).

Technically, a Dem would have to win by 47% to overcome Bush's 71%-24% victory in NE-3. Smiley
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« Reply #20 on: June 29, 2004, 11:01:09 PM »
I could win all 50 states....
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« Reply #21 on: June 30, 2004, 05:46:53 AM »

Please say that is a joke Josh.
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« Reply #22 on: June 30, 2004, 10:20:49 AM »
Mitt Romney could probably win all 50 states if he was against someone who was impossible to listen to.
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« Reply #23 on: June 30, 2004, 10:30:50 AM »

Yes it was a joke
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« Reply #24 on: June 30, 2004, 10:30:52 AM »
against LaRouche I suppose
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