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« on: July 04, 2004, 10:06:08 pm »

I know little of British politics, so this is something I've always wondered. In the US, Blacks are overwhelmingly Democratic, Hispanics tend to be Demoratic, Asians lean Democratic etc.

Is it the same in the UK? Do blacks lean labour on average? Or is race a non-issue in terms of voting in the UK?
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« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2004, 05:48:22 am »

I know little of British politics, so this is something I've always wondered. In the US, Blacks are overwhelmingly Democratic, Hispanics tend to be Demoratic, Asians lean Democratic etc.

Is it the same in the UK? Do blacks lean labour on average? Or is race a non-issue in terms of voting in the UK?

Blacks usually vote solidly Labour
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« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2004, 08:18:02 am »

I know little of British politics, so this is something I've always wondered. In the US, Blacks are overwhelmingly Democratic, Hispanics tend to be Demoratic, Asians lean Democratic etc.

Is it the same in the UK? Do blacks lean labour on average? Or is race a non-issue in terms of voting in the UK?

Blacks usually vote solidly Labour

How many blacks actually live in England? I can't imagine it being a very high number.
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« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2004, 08:23:31 am »

I know little of British politics, so this is something I've always wondered. In the US, Blacks are overwhelmingly Democratic, Hispanics tend to be Demoratic, Asians lean Democratic etc.

Is it the same in the UK? Do blacks lean labour on average? Or is race a non-issue in terms of voting in the UK?

Blacks usually vote solidly Labour

How many blacks actually live in England? I can't imagine it being a very high number.

IIRC it's about 2-4% of the total population. It's much, much higher in some areas of course (ie: Brixton)
The largest ethnic minority is Asian (ie: from Indian Subcontinent). About 7% IIRC.
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« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2004, 08:35:26 am »

Thanks. Smiley Didn't think it was all that high. Not much of a impact on elections, huh?
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« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2004, 08:48:36 am »

Thanks. Smiley Didn't think it was all that high. Not much of a impact on elections, huh?

It varies. In some seats with large ethnic minority populations (Bradford West for example) racial and sectarian factors dominate politics (the Labour M.P is a Sikh. Muslims do not vote for Sikhs. So the Tories stand a Muslim every election).
Overall Asians have a bigger impact than Blacks
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« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2004, 09:33:11 am »

Thanks. Smiley Didn't think it was all that high. Not much of a impact on elections, huh?

It varies. In some seats with large ethnic minority populations (Bradford West for example) racial and sectarian factors dominate politics (the Labour M.P is a Sikh. Muslims do not vote for Sikhs. So the Tories stand a Muslim every election).
Overall Asians have a bigger impact than Blacks

Do blacks or asians hold any seats?
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« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2004, 11:06:10 am »

Thanks. Smiley Didn't think it was all that high. Not much of a impact on elections, huh?

It varies. In some seats with large ethnic minority populations (Bradford West for example) racial and sectarian factors dominate politics (the Labour M.P is a Sikh. Muslims do not vote for Sikhs. So the Tories stand a Muslim every election).
Overall Asians have a bigger impact than Blacks

Do blacks or asians hold any seats?

At least one, I was watching a black woman make some comments toward Blair when he meets with the House of Commons and they show it on C-Span.

Some guy from the Scottish National Party was decrying Blair for "being on his knees" in regards to America, but Tony quickly refuted him saying something about the man's usual lack of good judgement, and said that an alliance with the United States is very important, etc -- always entertaining.
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« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2004, 11:46:41 am »

Thanks. Smiley Didn't think it was all that high. Not much of a impact on elections, huh?

It varies. In some seats with large ethnic minority populations (Bradford West for example) racial and sectarian factors dominate politics (the Labour M.P is a Sikh. Muslims do not vote for Sikhs. So the Tories stand a Muslim every election).
Overall Asians have a bigger impact than Blacks

Do blacks or asians hold any seats?

I think it's about 15-30 (out of over 650). Not sure about the exact numbers though.
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« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2004, 12:43:53 pm »

Thanks. Smiley Didn't think it was all that high. Not much of a impact on elections, huh?

It varies. In some seats with large ethnic minority populations (Bradford West for example) racial and sectarian factors dominate politics (the Labour M.P is a Sikh. Muslims do not vote for Sikhs. So the Tories stand a Muslim every election).
Overall Asians have a bigger impact than Blacks

Do blacks or asians hold any seats?

I think it's about 15-30 (out of over 650). Not sure about the exact numbers though.

Here are a few notable MPs from ethnic minorities in the UK…

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David Lamey. Junior Minister in the Blair Government and Labour MP.

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Parmjit Dhanda. Another rising star within the Labour Party

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Oona King. Part of the King Family (MLKjr I mean) and again a rising star.

The Labour Party has had and still has a large number of MPs who are from ethnic minorities and has traditionally benefited from the support of these groups and while by and large they remain loyal there is increasing political diversity within these communities.

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Adam Afriyie, a candidate for the rock solid conservative seat of Windsor, an articulate guy (in that regard he reminds me very much of Harold Ford) who may very well be quickly promoted when he’s elected (and in Windsor he will almost certainly get elected if he’s got “Conservative” next to his name Cheesy ). He would also be the first Black Conservative MP.
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« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2004, 12:45:14 pm »

Labour have high profile blacks in their cabinet, including Paul Boeteng and the promising David Lammy. Many are attracted to the Christian Socialist values in the Labour Party, and the fact that the Conservatives were not very welcoming (Enoch Powell..cough) The religious/racial voting in many northern cities by Muslims is frankly disturbing, especially as the Liberal Democrats are more traditionally left wing socially. Catholics like myself tend to vote Labour, especially in Scotland due to Labour's support of Catholic schools and because of Labours social stance. The majority of younger Catholics tend to socially liberal rather than conservative. Minority voting tends to affect inner city areas and Labour has been able to hold the vote in racially diverse areas, black, white and asian because of combined strong support in most minorities. With Muslims drifting to the Lib Dems due to purely religious and anti-war reasons (if they actually read the Lib Dems manifesto they would no doubt think twice) it seems this pattern is beginning to change.
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« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2004, 01:00:18 pm »

(and in Windsor he will almost certainly get elected if he’s got “Conservative” next to his name Cheesy ). He would also be the first Black Conservative MP.

Remember what happend in Cheltenham in 1992?
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« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2004, 07:52:08 am »

Adam Afriyie would also be the first Black Conservative MP.
What about Sebastian Coe?
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« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2004, 08:08:52 am »

Adam Afriyie would also be the first Black Conservative MP.
What about Sebastian Coe?

I thought he was white
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« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2004, 08:24:24 am »

It's strange...I could swear that I'd read years ago he was the first coloured Tory MP. But judging from what photos Google throws up, you're obviously right.
So, I retract my objection.
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« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2004, 08:26:36 am »

It's strange...I could swear that I'd read years ago he was the first coloured Tory MP. But judging from what photos Google throws up, you're obviously right.
So, I retract my objection.

Actually Afriyie isn't a sure winner... remember what happend in Cheltenham in 1992?  
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« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2004, 08:28:52 am »

It's strange...I could swear that I'd read years ago he was the first coloured Tory MP. But judging from what photos Google throws up, you're obviously right.
So, I retract my objection.

Actually Afriyie isn't a sure winner... remember what happend in Cheltenham in 1992?  
No.
That's an LD constituency, is all I know.
But let me guess: The Tories put up a Black or Asian candidate and lost in a seat considered safe?

At the 2001 elections, the Greens crossed 5% in one bradford constituency - where the Green candidate was the only White candidate.
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« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2004, 08:37:24 am »

No.
That's an LD constituency, is all I know.
But let me guess: The Tories put up a Black or Asian candidate and lost in a seat considered safe?

Yep.
The losing Tory is now a Peer (Lord Taylor of... can't remember exactly... damn Peerage names...)
What makes Afriyie's situation worse is that Windsor is right next to the LibDems no.1 South East target (Maidenhead)... and that they control the local council.

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At the 2001 elections, the Greens crossed 5% in one bradford constituency - where the Green candidate was the only White candidate.

That'ed be Bradford West... the Labour M.P is a Sikh, so naturally the Tories run a Muslim every election...
I think the BNP has a few councillers in the constituancy.
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« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2004, 08:35:52 am »

Isn't there a black cabinet member? I seem to recall one being appointed by Blair, the first black cabinet minister ever.
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« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2004, 09:52:07 am »

Isn't there a black cabinet member? I seem to recall one being appointed by Blair, the first black cabinet minister ever.

Paul Boeteng (sp?)
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« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2004, 09:56:02 am »

Isn't there a black cabinet member? I seem to recall one being appointed by Blair, the first black cabinet minister ever.

Paul Boeteng (sp?)


That is the one! Boateng I would assume, that is how it is normally spelt I think.
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« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2004, 08:36:07 pm »

This may sound presumptious, but I would assume that most minorities and indigeonous peoples would vote for a left leaning party.

I know this is at least true in

UK - Labour
Austrailia - Australian Labour Party
NZ - New Zealand Labour Party
US - Democrats
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« Reply #22 on: July 08, 2004, 09:55:24 am »

Add Germany.
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« Reply #23 on: July 08, 2004, 11:55:36 am »

What about Canada?
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« Reply #24 on: July 08, 2004, 12:02:10 pm »

What about Canada?

First Nations go either Liberal or NDP
Chinese go Liberal
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