Bill Richardson / Tom Vilsack vs. John McCain / Rudy Giuliani

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Here's a possible map.

[Nym90]

Richardson would win this matchup, though it would be close. The war ultimately kills McCain. If the GOP ticket were the other way around, Guiliani would have a decent shot.

A Richardson/Vilsack ticket would be very hard to beat, however. Large Hispanic vote+the Midwest=victory for the Dems.

[Colin]

Richardson unless McCain becomes sane again and/or gets his head out of his ass.

[Boris]

This would be a very strong ticket, at least on paper. Two effective, moderate governors from swing states.

Whether or not they'd win would depend upon Richardson's ability to connect with voters and paint a vote for McCain as a vote for four more years of George W. Bush.

[SPC]

Hopefully, Americans have learned thir lesson not to elect an idiot.

Libertarian/Richardson

[CARLHAYDEN]

Here's a possible map.

If the Democrats are smart enough to nominate this combo, and the Republicans stupid enough to nominate McVain and Giuliani then your map underestimates the Democrat win!

[Joe Biden 2020]

Richardson/Richardson

[Rob]

Richardson/Richardson, and the election isn't close.

309-229

One interesting angle to consider: the National Rifle Association could very well endorse Richardson over McCain. The effect of this would be dramatic- the Governor would do surprisingly well in the Mountain West, and lock down states like Ohio and West Virginia at the same time.

[Joe Biden 2020]

Richardson/Richardson, and the election isn't close.

309-229

One interesting angle to consider: the National Rifle Association could very well endorse Richardson over McCain. The effect of this would be dramatic- the Governor would do surprisingly well in the Mountain West, and lock down states like Ohio and West Virginia at the same time.

Richardson might be enough to color Oklahoma Blue.  Seriously.

[Inmate Trump]

I'd be tough for me, since Giuliani is at least on the ticket for the Republicans.  But since he's not #1 on the ticket, I wouldn't vote for McCain.

I said Richardson/Richardson.

[CARLHAYDEN]

Richardson/Richardson, and the election isn't close.

309-229

One interesting angle to consider: the National Rifle Association could very well endorse Richardson over McCain. The effect of this would be dramatic- the Governor would do surprisingly well in the Mountain West, and lock down states like Ohio and West Virginia at the same time.

Very perceptive!

[Inmate Trump]

Richardson/Richardson, and the election isn't close.

309-229

One interesting angle to consider: the National Rifle Association could very well endorse Richardson over McCain. The effect of this would be dramatic- the Governor would do surprisingly well in the Mountain West, and lock down states like Ohio and West Virginia at the same time.

Very perceptive!

Agreed, but I'd also put Nevada going Richardson.

[Moooooo]

Ew...talk about a boring, uninspiring campaign.

[Inmate Trump]

Ew...talk about a boring, uninspiring campaign.

Boring on the Republican side, yes.  I actually think a Richardson/Vilsack ticket would do quite well.  It'd be like an updated version of Clinton/Gore.

[CARLHAYDEN]

Richardson/Richardson, and the election isn't close.

309-229

One interesting angle to consider: the National Rifle Association could very well endorse Richardson over McCain. The effect of this would be dramatic- the Governor would do surprisingly well in the Mountain West, and lock down states like Ohio and West Virginia at the same time.

Very perceptive!

Agreed, but I'd also put Nevada going Richardson.

Again, I agree with you.

One thing most people don't know is just how strongly McCain is despised in Arizona.

A lot of conservatives would not merely vote, but work hard in support of a Richardson candidacy as they know that McCain is a scumbag.

[Small Business Owner of Any Repute]

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Oh, lord.  Fact check, please.

Survey USA's most recent check on John McCain puts him at 65% approve, 32% disapprove.  That includes 73% of Republicans approving and 65% of conservatives.

Putting it in perspective: more Republicans in Arizona approve of John McCain than Democrats in Louisiana approve of Mary Landrieu (72%) or New Jersey Democrats approving of Frank Lautenberg (55%).  Or New York Democrats of Chuck Schumer (71%).

[CARLHAYDEN]

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Oh, lord.  Fact check, please.

Survey USA's most recent check on John McCain puts him at 65% approve, 32% disapprove.  That includes 73% of Republicans approving and 65% of conservatives.

Putting it in perspective: more Republicans in Arizona approve of John McCain than Democrats in Louisiana approve of Mary Landrieu (72%) or New Jersey Democrats approving of Frank Lautenberg (55%).  Or New York Democrats of Chuck Schumer (71%).

First, welcome to the forum.

Second, there is a lot of background on polling on this forum which you might want to check out.  While SUSA is to be commended for including the internals of its polls, it has a very spotty record for accuracy.

Third, lets look at the breakdown in the SUSA poll.  While SUSA suggests that only 29% of its sample in the survey you cited are 'conservative,' this varies dramatically with the findings of Harris.  Remember I said conservatives, and not all Republicans are conservatives nor are all conservatives Republicans.

Fourth, while SUSA is pretty accurate on the percentage of the electorate affiliated with the Democrats, it understates the Republicans (by a couple of points).

In conclusion, be a little skeptical of surveys.

[Small Business Owner of Any Repute]

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I'm very familiar with SurveyUSA, their methodology, and their track record -- I've been tracking them long since Bob Torricelli first rolled out his (ridiculous) "CRAP" polling smear when SUSA showed him trailing Forrester in 2002.

For my money, they do a fine job in polling -- just as good as anyone else.  And a far better job than, say, Zogby (who consistently releases garbage disguised as polling data).

[Reaganfan]

Both are very impressive men. It would be close.

McCain: 275
Richardson: 263

[Reaganfan]

Both are very impressive men. It would be close.

McCain: 275
Richardson: 263

I have never seen you make a map that shows a Democrat winning anything.

This is just part of your delusional mind.

If it was against Romney or Brownback, then Richardson could win.

[Gabu]

Both are very impressive men. It would be close.

McCain: 275
Richardson: 263

Do you actually honestly believe that McCain would win New Jersey, or is that just blatantly included as something to make McCain win?

[Verily]

This ticket gives the Democrats a chance to win back the once-solid Dakotas and Montana, especially with the likely NRA endorsement of Richardson. I'm not so bold as to call any of those for Richardson, but Montana and possibly South Dakota would be close.

[Reaganfan]

Both are very impressive men. It would be close.

McCain: 275
Richardson: 263

Do you actually honestly believe that McCain would win New Jersey, or is that just blatantly included as something to make McCain win?

With Giuliani on the ticket, and a more southern democrat...yes. It was neck and neck in 1992, because Clinton was a southern democrat.

[Gabu]

Both are very impressive men. It would be close.

McCain: 275
Richardson: 263

Do you actually honestly believe that McCain would win New Jersey, or is that just blatantly included as something to make McCain win?

With Giuliani on the ticket, and a more southern democrat...yes. It was neck and neck in 1992, because Clinton was a southern democrat.

Bob Dole had Jack Kemp on the ticket in 1996 and lost New Jersey by 18 points to a Southern Democrat.

[Reaganfan]

Both are very impressive men. It would be close.

McCain: 275
Richardson: 263

Do you actually honestly believe that McCain would win New Jersey, or is that just blatantly included as something to make McCain win?

With Giuliani on the ticket, and a more southern democrat...yes. It was neck and neck in 1992, because Clinton was a southern democrat.

Bob Dole had Jack Kemp on the ticket in 1996 and lost New Jersey by 18 points to a Southern Democrat.

LOL...way different situation. Clinton was an incumbant President.