It took Bush 2 hours

[Alfie]

Acctually, Bush and Cheney had only possitive things to say, it was the campaigns that went after oen another, but we can't get petty little things like facts get into the way of our seething hatred for Bush.  Can we?

Sorry, Bush and Cheney cannot, unlike the Vietnam War, "dodge" this bullet:  this is THEIR campaign machine -- it's their people running the attack monster.  But, what can one say?  These two clams are about as low as one can go.

- Alfie

[Alfie]

Alfie, shame on you!  Didn't you get the memo? You guys aren't supposed to play the "chicken hawk" card now that Edwards got the nod.
Edwards didn't serve in Vietnam because he had a student deferment.  That's right, just like Dick Cheney and Tom Delay.  But that didn't stop him from being a supporter of Bush's war in Iraq.  Refresh my memory, Alfie, what do we call people who chose to avoid service in Vietnam and went on to be hawkish politicians?  You had some incredibly clever name for them, what was it again?

What Becomes a Chicken Hawk Most?      [/b][/red]

Criteria for Chicken Hawkdom  Sorry -- you lose again.  See criteria #3.


- Alfie

[Alfie]

Criteria for Chicken Hawkdom  Sorry -- you lose again.  See criteria #3.


- Alfie

What is criterion #3?  Let me guess, "The above criteria shall not be construed as to apply to any Democrat"?
Oh, here it is:

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So if we limit this criterion to apply only to the Iraq war, and if we only consider statements Edwards has made in the last six months while campaigning for president, then maybe he does fail the test.

However, Edwards did not just vote for the resolution authorizing the Iraq war, he cosponsored it.  In fact, Edwards pushed for war before Bush even went to Congress to get the resolution.
From an Edwards press release:

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Edwards was so pro-war that he tried to one-up Bush by declaring that he drove the country to a showdown with Saddam before Bush did!

Then there is the case of Edwards' record during the Clinton years.
From an Edwards press release dated 3 May 1999:

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Sounds to me like Edwards felt that war was the preferred solution here, too.  I don't recall him asking Clinton to find a diplomatic solution in the Balkans before the bombing started.
From the same release:

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So is your defense of Edwards that he didn’t say the troops were doing a “glorious” job, just a “fine” one?

Face it, the average North Carolinian (or average American, for that matter) doesn’t share your views on war.  John Edwards pushed for war because he thought it would win him votes.  John Edwards glorified the Kosovo war, portraying it as a good vs. evil issue, to win votes.  Now Edwards has adopted a six month-old skepticism of war in hopes of winning votes.

Sorry, looks like your anti-Cheney venom has come back to haunt you.

Surely it looks as if you cut and paste.  Cites, please?  I'll take it from there.


- Alfie

[Alfie]

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It's this little mincing -- that little icky smarmy "Well, Mother Superior, actually what God meant was..." that really, really burns my brow.  Do you realize how childish it makes your boy look, and you look, as well?  

Come on!  Do you think EVERYONE is as gullible as the reich wing robots prowling your party of pugs, perverts, and pissants?  Do you have any idea how smug and juvenile this "yes, but..." school of non-accountability come across?  GROW UP!  It's not as if people are "buying" this crap anymore -- it's as if you people need to believe this agit-prop.

- Alfie
feeling better for having said it

[Alfie]

The DU is the next door to the left! This is the Atlas Civil Forum. Please keep it that way or find the door Alfie.

Mary, please, I know EXACTLY where I am, and the enemy I am among -- but thanks for sharing!


"Civil", Senator, is a relative term.  Civil you are to your lemming cohorts; dissent?  "Oh, No!  Not Dissent!  You mean we -- we--- we-- might have to DEFEND OURSELVES?  And with logic?  MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!"

I'm counting on you to reform this sloppy group of pugs -- shape them up or ship them out.


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- Alfie
'sup Brother?

[Alfie]

Surely it looks as if you cut and paste.  Cites, please?  I'll take it from there.

- Alfie

Ah, your favorite defense when faced with facts: "Cites?"  And if I post links to anything vaguely conservative, you'll attack the facts as part of some right-wing conspiracy.  I was ready for this.  I didn't go to some Republican talking points site, I went to edwards.senate.gov and searched his press release database.

Edwards represents North Carolina, home to Camp LeJeune and Pope Air Force Base.  You can't get elected senator in NC without a vigorous support of the military.  Edwards is not a dove--he embraces the label "hawk".  He fits criterion 3.

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Look, I'm far more interested in the truth than I am in being right.  I'll run with what you gave, and supplement what I need.

Just because youz guyz lie and cheat at every turn does NOT mean I would.  Well, maybe a little......

I'll post after my next class.

- Alfie

[Alfie]

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Yes, all true, all true.... BUT.  Cheney wasn't even coy, or slick.  He said that serving never occurred to him because he "had other priorities!"  As in not dying for his country.  Of course there is a long line, a long yellow streak running down the backs of most Vietnam era Pugs.  Rush "Dr. Feelgood" Limbaugh had a pimple on his ass; William "Slots" Bennett was already beginning his career as National Scold, and Elliot "Oh!  My aching back!" Abrams had Very Good Excuse: his "spine" went MIA.  Ah, the list, the list!  A veritable Who's Who is slackers and cowards from the radikal reich.


- Alfie

[Alfie]

As if off to sign the Treaty of Versailles, Blue Rectangulated writes;

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That's just TOO CLASSIC!  And so typically POMPOUS!


- Alfie