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« Reply #250 on: July 20, 2009, 04:11:12 AM »
« edited: July 20, 2009, 04:12:55 AM by Mechman »

Another what-if list based on the Rise of the Progressives:
I felt like being a mindless hack today, lol

A dominate libertarian Republican party
Theodore Roosevelt (NY)/Robert M. LaFollette Sr. (WI) (Progressive) 1913-1919*
Robert M. LaFollette Sr. (WI)/Hiram Johnson (CA) (Progressive) 1919-1921
Warren G. Harding (OH)/Frank O. Lowden (IA) (Republican) 1921-1923*
Frank O. Lowden (IA)/Calvin Coolidge (MA) (Republican) 1923-1929
Calvin Coolidge (MA)/James Wolcott Wadsworth (NY) (Republican) 1929-1937
Robert Taft (OH)/Alfred Landon (KS) (Republican) 1937-1945
Franklin Delano Roosevelt (NY)/Robert M. LaFollette Jr. (WI) (Progressive) 1945
Robert M. LaFollette Jr. (WI)/Henry Wallace (IA) (Progressive) 1945-1949
Harry Truman (MO)/Thomas Dewey (NY) (Republican) 1949-1950*
Thomas Dewey (NY)/Harold Stassen (MN) (Republican) 1950-1957
Lyndon Baines Johnson (TX)/John F. Kennedy (MA) (Democrat) 1957-1963*
John F. Kennedy (MA)/Daniel Brewster (MD) (Democrat) 1963-1969
Ronald Reagan (CA)/ William Scranton (PA) (Republican) 1969-1977
Fred Harris (OK)/Birch Bayh (IN) (Progressive) 1977-1981
Ted Kennedy (MA)/Lloyd Bentsen (TX) (Democrat) 1981*
Lloyd Bentsen (TX)/Gary Hart (CO) (Democrat) 1981-1985
Jerry Brown (CA)/Paul Tsongas (MA) (Republican) 1985-1993
Paul Tsongas (MA)/Mary Ruwart (TX) (Republican) 1993-1997*
Mary Ruwart (TX)/Steven Kubby (CA) (Republican) 1997-2005
Steven Kubby (CA)/Wayne Allyn Root (NV) (Republican) 2005-present

*Death in office.
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« Reply #251 on: July 20, 2009, 07:50:36 AM »

37th:Hubert Humphrey/Edmund Muskie 1969-1973
38th:Nelson Rockefeller/Margaret C. Smith 1973-1979
39th:Margaret C. Smith/George H. W. Bush 1979-1981
40th:Jerry Brown/Ernest Hollings 1981-1989
41th:Bob Dole/Jack Kemp 1989-1993
42th:Tom Harkin/Bill Clinton 1993-1998
42th:Tom Harkin/Douglas Wilder 1998-2001

43th:Elizabeth Dole/Chuck Hagel 2001-2009
44th:Al Gore/Bill Richardson 2009-
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« Reply #252 on: July 20, 2009, 03:08:39 PM »

26th:Theodore Roosevelt/Charles W. Fairbanks 1901-1913
27th:Robert M. LaFollette/Charles W. Fairbanks 1913-1917

28th:Woodrow Wilson/Thomas R. Marshall 1917-1921
29th:Robert M. La Follette/Calvin Coolidge 1921-1925
30th:Hiram Johnson/Calvin Coolidge 1925-1933

31th:John N. Garner/Al Smith 1933-1941
32th:Thomas E. Dewey/Charles L. McNary 1941-1944
32th:Thomas E. Dewey/ 1944-1945
33th:Thomas E. Dewey/Harold Stassen 1945-1949

34th:Harold Stassen/Raymond E. Baldwin 1949-1953
35th:Robert Taft/Richard Nixon 1953-1953
36th:Richard Nixon/Douglas MacArthur 1953-1961
37th:Robert M. La Follette, Jr./Henry C. Lodge 1961-1969
38th:Barry Goldwater/Spiro Agnew 1969-1973
38th:Barry Goldwater/John Ashbrook 1973-1977
39th:Morris Udall/Lloyd Bentsen 1977-1981
40th:Ronald Reagan/Bob Dole 1981-1989
41th:Michael Dukakis/Al Gore 1989-1993
42th:Bob Dole/Dan Quayle 1993-1997
43th:Al Gore/Bob Kerrey 1997-2005
44th:Dan Quayle/Kay Bailey Hutchison 2005-2009
45th:John McCain/Joe Biden 2009-
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« Reply #253 on: July 20, 2009, 05:37:33 PM »

Three very good lists.
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« Reply #254 on: July 20, 2009, 08:57:04 PM »

34) Thomas Dewey/Earl Warren (R-NY) 1949-1953*
35) Dwight Eisenhower/Richard Nixon (R-TX) 1953-1965*
36) Richard Nixon/Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. (R-CA) 1965-1972**
37) Henry Cabot Lodge Jr./George Romney (R-MA) 1972-1977*
38) John Kennedy/George Wallace (D-MA) 1977-1981***
39) Ronald Reagan/George H. W. Bush (R-CA) 1981-1989*
40) George H. W. Bush/Donald Rumsfeld (R-TX) 1989-1997*
41) George W. Bush/Richard Cheney 1997-2001|John McCain 2001-2009 (R-TX)****
42) Mitt Romney/Tim Pawlenty 2009-Current

*Refused to run again for the nomination
**Assasinated while campaigning in Philadelphia
***Narrowly defeated in his reelection bid
****Richard Cheney was assasinated while being evacuated from the White House during the terrorist attacks in Washington D.C. Bush declined renomination in 2008

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« Reply #255 on: July 20, 2009, 09:10:56 PM »

34) Thomas Dewey/Earl Warren (R-NY) 1949-1953*
35) Dwight Eisenhower/Richard Nixon (R-TX) 1953-1965*
36) Richard Nixon/Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. (R-CA) 1965-1972**
37) Henry Cabot Lodge Jr./George Romney (R-MA) 1972-1977*
38) John Kennedy/George Wallace (D-MA) 1977-1981***
39) Ronald Reagan/George H. W. Bush (R-CA) 1981-1989*
40) George H. W. Bush/Donald Rumsfeld (R-TX) 1989-1997*
41) George W. Bush/Richard Cheney 1997-2001|John McCain 2001-2009 (R-TX)****
42) Mitt Romney/Tim Pawlenty 2009-Current
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« Reply #256 on: July 20, 2009, 10:38:15 PM »

It would be to lengthy to explain in full, but the idea is that the Southern Conservatives split off from the Democratic party. This split, and also the popularity of the Republican administrations in most cases, resulted in their continued political defeats until 1976.

By 1976, the Democrats had abandoned Civil Rights as part of their platform, and had agreed to prerogative of always establishing a ticket of at least one Northerner, acceptable to those related delegates, and one Southerner, acceptable to the Southern delegations.

JFK, despite a generally good term in office, gets brought down by the crisis in Iran, even though it is by a narrow margin, losing the popular vote by 2 percent. 1984 is no better, as Reagan's popularity carries him over the opposition ticket of Mondale/Bumpers.

1988 becomes the turning point. Dukakis choose Paul Simon of Illinois, instead of the traditional Southerner. Al Gore, feeling he should have won the Vice-Presidential nomination, runs as a Conservative Democrat. This dooms their chances against Bush in the election.

In 1992, a similar thing occurs. Though Gore wins the popular vote in the primaries, Kerrey's endorsement of Paul Tsongas leads to another schism, as Tsongas subsequently chooses Kerrey as his VP. Bush wins a narrow victory as a result of the split in the Democratic Party, and Perot's campaign.

From then on, the Reform Party continuously picks off of the Conservative Democrat base, until it is disbanded in 2005. As a result, the really only remain competitive in the Northeast.

The Republicans could have lost in 2008, due to the War in Iran taking a toll on Coalition forces. However, John Edwards, the Reform Party nominee, is brought down by the scandal involving his campaign aide. What was once a 10 point lead quickly was sent to a 6 point deficit. As a result, Romney wins.
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« Reply #257 on: July 21, 2009, 02:07:23 AM »

Here's another complete list of alternate presidents. It's a bit different than my other:
Federalist dominance leads to extreme craziness timeline

1.George Washington (VA) (No Party)/John Adams (MA) (Federalist) 1789-1797
2.John Adams (MA)/Thomas Pinckney (SC) (Federalist) 1797-1805
3.Thomas Pinckney (SC)/Rufus King (NY) (Federalist) 1805-1813
4.John Quincy Adams (MA)/DeWitt Clinton (NY) (Federalist) 1813-1829*
5.Henry Clay (KY)/John C. Calhoun (SC) (Federalist) 1829-1833
6.King George Washington Adams (MA) (American Monarch) 1833-1865*
7.Revolutionary Council (Alliance of the Revolution) 1865-1869*
8.John C. Fremont (CA)/Ulysses S. Grant (OH) (Alliance of the Revolution) 1869-1872*
9.Ulysses S. Grant (OH)/Henry Wilson (MA) (Revolutionary) 1872-1877
10.Benjamin Gratz Brown (MO)/Andrew Curtin (PA) (Liberal) 1877-1885*
11.Blanche Kelso Bruce (MS)/James Baird Weaver (IA) (People's Party) 1885-1890*
12.James Baird Weaver (IA)/James Gaven Field (VA) (People's Party) 1890-1893
13.Charles Horatio Matchett (MA)/Matthew Maguire (NJ) (Social Democratic) 1893-1897
14.Grover Cleveland (OH)/John G. Carlisle (KY) (Liberal) 1897-1901
15.Eugene V. Debbs (IN)/Theodore Roosevelt (NY) (Social Democratic) 1901*
16.Theodore Roosevelt (NY)/Job Harriman (CA) (Social Democratic) 1901-1909
17.Robert M. LaFollette Sr. (WI)/Hiram Johnson (CA) (Social Democratic) 1909-1917
18.Hiram Johnson (CA)/Allan Louis Benson (NY) (Social Democratic) 1917-1921
19.Calvin Coolidge (MA)/Frank O. Lowden (IA) (Liberal) 1921-1929
20.Herbert Hoover (IA)/Charles Curtis (KS) (Liberal) 1929-1933
21.Franklin Delano Roosevelt (NY)/Robert M. LaFollette Jr. (WI) (Socialist) 1933-1937*
22.Robert M. LaFollette Jr. (WI)/Henry Wallace (IA) (Socialist) 1937-1945
23.Henry Wallace (IA)/Glen H. Taylor (ID) (Communist Party of America) 1945-1953*
24.Joseph McCarthy (WI) (1953-1976)/VPs: Harold Stassen (MN) 1953-1961/Richard Nixon (CA) 1961-1967/James A. Rhodes (OH) 1967-1972/Nelson Rockefeller (NY) 1972-1976 (Communist Party of America)*
25.Nelson Rockefeller (NY)/Henry M. Jackson (WA) (Communist Party of America) 1976-1978*
26.Council to Restore America 1978-1981*
27.Fred Harris (OK)/Ted Kennedy (MA) (Progressive Democrat) 1981-1989*
28.Ted Kennedy (MA)/Jerry Brown (CA) (Progressive Democrat) 1989-1993
29.Al Gore (TN)/Bill Clinton (AR) (Liberal Republican) 1993-2001*
30.Pat Buchanan (VA)/George W. Bush (TX) (American Nationalist Party) 2001-2005*
31.Howard Dean (VT)/Russ Feingold (WI) (Progressive Democrat) 2005-2009
32.Mary Ruwart (TX)/Steven Kubby (CA) (Liberal Republican) 2009-present*

Notes:
4.With the Democratic Republican party destroyed in 1819, the Federalists hold complete dominance over the American government. This allows John Quincy Adams to stay in office for 16 years (4 terms) with no strong challenge. He doesn't go up for re-election in 1828 due to health problems.

6.After Congress passes the American Monarch Act, the offices of president and vice president are abolished and replaced by the position "King". America is now an oligarchy ruled by the interests of the Federalist elite. The King George Washington Adams would reign for 32 years that would forever alter the course of American history. America during this stage was called "The American Empire".

7.After years of being abused by the higher power of the oligarchy, the people of America answer the cries of revolution from the The American People's Revolutionary Brigade, a leftist revolutionary group that based most of their ideology off that of the French Revolution before them. In 1861, the nation would explode into a state of constant civil war between Monarchist and Revolutionary forces. On April 21st, 1865, King George Washington Adams, the first and only monarch of the American Empire (which would be renamed "The United People's Republic of America") would be executed along with his family for crimes against the people of America. For four years after the Revolutionary Council would reside over the nation until all legislative, judicial, and executive positions were refilled. Also, slavery was abolished in every piece of land in America and minorities and women were granted social equality with white men. Leftists around the world would call this "A true triumph for the common man over the forces of Imperialism and Oligarchy."

8.John C. Fremont, who many consider the "Father of the Revolution", would become the first president of the United People's Republic of America. However, he wouldn't live through his term, instead ending up assasinated by John Wilkes Booth, an anti leftist, on April 15th, 1872. His vice president, former Revolutionary Brigade general Ulysses S. Grant would ascend to the presidency.

10.The Liberal party is the classically liberal party that traces it's lineage back to the Democratic-Republican party of Jefferson.

11.The People's Party is the leftist party that sprung up after the Revolutionary Party was disbanded in the late 1870s. It's closest in ideology to the Greenback Party IOTL.

13.The Social Democratic Party is a Democratic Socialist party.

15.Eugene V. Debbs has the same fate as William McKinley does IOTL. Theodore Roosevelt assumes the role of a non-interventionist in ITTL and is a great deal more left.

21.After the Great Depression occurs under the watch of the progressive Liberal president Herbert Hoover, the citizens vote in the Socialist ticket of Franklin Roosevelt/Robert M. LaFollette into office by a landslide. FDR would live until a week before his second inauguration before passing away due to complications brought on by polio.

23.In 1945, Henry Wallace merges the Socialist and Communist Parties together and creates the "Communist Party of America", other wise known as CPA. America had now become the second world power to become a communist nation. Little did Henry Wallace know how drastic this transformation would effect the future of America.

24.Joseph McCarthy is elected in 1953 to the office of president. Almost immediately he starts consolidating power to the Executive Branch and grants himself powers to put down dissent to "keep peace" in America. He orders police actions against those who are found harboring "anti-American pro-captialist tendencies or British sympathies". By 1957, every party is disbanded except the Communist Party of America. By 1960 millions of Americans would be thrown into large work camps in the deserts of Arizona and southern California or the barren wastes of the Alaska wilderness with little nourishment. Many would die from the harsh conditions. His first Vice President Harold Stassen would resign out of disgust at his policies before being deemed "an enemy of the state" and executed. Second VP Richard Nixon would be found out conspiring to overthrow McCarthy and would also be summarily executed. Throughout the 60s and 70s Communist American forces would spread throughout the Americas converting much of the Western hemisphere by sheer force to American Communism. With Soviet Russia, Maoist China, and Communist America, it seemed like Karl Marx's dream of a world under Communism was inevitable. Third VP James A. Rhodes was a close follower of McCarthyism (which was pretty close to Stalinism) and pretty loyal to McCarthy. He was responsible for granting the National Guard authority to put down any and all protests by American citizens against government actions in South America. Through fear McCarthy wins re-elections by at least 92%. Rhodes would be assasinated by a rebel from the Liberty Resistance while visiting Mexico in November of 1972. He would be replaced by fourth VP Nelson Rockefeller who had an immense hunger for power. Many speculate that Rockefeller may have poisoned McCarthy so he could grab power himself. All told, Joseph McCarthy during his 23 year reign of hell would be responsible for the death of 80 million innocent people in the Western hemisphere, at least 30 million of which would be his own people. Just like another Joseph, he would forever be associated with the words "evil" and "genocide".

25.Rockefeller was nowhere near the tyrant of his predescessor, but he still had no qualms about using force to achieve his goals. Under his reign the Liberty Resistance exploded and pretty soon were liberating South American countries left and right with the popular support of the people of the nations. By January 1978, the Liberty Resistance had liberated much of the American West and Canada and advancing rapidly on the East and West Coasts. On November 12th, 1978, the government of the United People's Republic of America was overthrown. A new dawn of freedom and liberty for humanity had begun. The forces of tyranny would die once and for all.

26.Between the overthrow of the government and the rebooting of the branches of government, the nation was organized by an interim government ran by the Council to restore America.
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« Reply #258 on: July 21, 2009, 02:08:00 AM »

Notes cont.:

27.Fred Harris, one of the founders of the Liberty Resistance is elected the first president of the re-established United States of America on the Progressive Democratic ticket with fellow revolutionary leader Ted Kennedy as vice president. Harris would survive an attempt on his life shortly after taking office by a former CPA military officer. He would break all ties to the Soviet Union and would get the US to join NATO to oppose further Soviet aggression. The Progressive Democratic Party is similar to the Democratic Party IOTL, but a bit more civil libertarian.

29.Al Gore becomes the first president in the Liberal Republican Party. His vice president is former Arkansas Governor and former revolutionary guerilla captain Bill Clinton. The Liberal Republican Party is the descendant to the Liberal Party which died off during the 1950s. It's pretty close in ideology to the Libertarian Party IOTL.

30.The American Nationalist Party is exactly how it sounds: A right wing party that is pretty damn protectionist and borderline racist. They win a narrow victory over the Progressives and Republicans off a campaign of protecting American jobs and by energizing the new social conservative base.

32.Mary Ruwart becomes the first woman president. Her vice president Steven Kubby would become the first vice president to survive off of daily marijuana use.
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« Reply #259 on: July 21, 2009, 10:55:14 AM »

Wow, I think I just found my next what if scenario......
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« Reply #260 on: July 21, 2009, 10:57:35 AM »

34) Thomas Dewey/Earl Warren (R-NY) 1949-1953*
35) Dwight Eisenhower/Richard Nixon (R-TX) 1953-1965*
36) Richard Nixon/Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. (R-CA) 1965-1972**
37) Henry Cabot Lodge Jr./George Romney (R-MA) 1972-1977*
38) John Kennedy/George Wallace (D-MA) 1977-1981***
39) Ronald Reagan/George H. W. Bush (R-CA) 1981-1989*
40) George H. W. Bush/Donald Rumsfeld (R-TX) 1989-1997*
41) George W. Bush/Richard Cheney 1997-2001|John McCain 2001-2009 (R-TX)****
42) Mitt Romney/Tim Pawlenty 2009-Current

*Refused to run again for the nomination
**Assasinated while campaigning in Philadelphia
***Narrowly defeated in his reelection bid
****Richard Cheney was assasinated while being evacuated from the White House during the terrorist attacks in Washington D.C. Bush declined renomination in 2008



Wow..lol
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« Reply #261 on: July 21, 2009, 11:22:43 AM »

29) Calvin Coolidge (R-MA) / Harry Stewart New (R-IN) : 1921-1929
30) Harry New (R-IN) / Herbert Hoover (R-ND) : 1929-1931 *
31) Herbert Hoover (R-ND) / Charles Curtis (R-KS) : 1931-1933

32) Franklin Roosevelt (D-NY) / Henry Wallace (D-IA) : 1933-1942 * WW2 Starts 1942
33) Henry Wallace (D-IA) / Harry Truman (D-MO) : 1942-1945

34) Arthur Vandenburg (R-MI) / Dwight Eisenhower (R-PA) : 1945-1953 (WW2 Ends 1947)
35) Thomas Dewey (D-NY) / Robert Kerr (D-OK) : 1953-1957
36) Dwight Eisenhower (R-PA) / Dick Nixon (R-CA) : 1957-1965
37) John F. Kennedy (D-MA) / Scoop Jackson (D-WA)  : 1965-1973
38) Scoop Jackson (D-WA) / Robert Kennedy (D-NY) : 1973-1981
39) Ronald Reagan (R-CA) / Jack Kemp (R-NY) : 1981-1989
40) Jack Kemp (R-NY) / Bob Dole (R-KS) : 1989-1997
41) Bill Clinton (D-AR) / Bob Graham (D-FL) : 1997-2005
42) Al Gore (D-TN) / Zell Miller (D-GA) : 2005-2009
43) Tom Coburn (R-OK) / Kay Hutchinson (R-TX) : 2009-Current


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« Reply #262 on: July 21, 2009, 04:32:58 PM »

29) Calvin Coolidge (R-MA) / Harry Stewart New (R-IN) : 1921-1929
30) Harry New (R-IN) / Herbert Hoover (R-ND) : 1929-1931 *
31) Herbert Hoover (R-ND) / Charles Curtis (R-KS) : 1931-1933

32) Franklin Roosevelt (D-NY) / Henry Wallace (D-IA) : 1933-1942 * WW2 Starts 1942
33) Henry Wallace (D-IA) / Harry Truman (D-MO) : 1942-1945

34) Arthur Vandenburg (R-MI) / Dwight Eisenhower (R-PA) : 1945-1953 (WW2 Ends 1947)
35) Thomas Dewey (D-NY) / Robert Kerr (D-OK) : 1953-1957
36) Dwight Eisenhower (R-PA) / Dick Nixon (R-CA) : 1957-1965
37) John F. Kennedy (D-MA) / Scoop Jackson (D-WA)  : 1965-1973
38) Scoop Jackson (D-WA) / Robert Kennedy (D-NY) : 1973-1981
39) Ronald Reagan (R-CA) / Jack Kemp (R-NY) : 1981-1989
40) Jack Kemp (R-NY) / Bob Dole (R-KS) : 1989-1997
41) Bill Clinton (D-AR) / Bob Graham (D-FL) : 1997-2005
42) Al Gore (D-TN) / Zell Miller (D-GA) : 2005-2009
43) Tom Coburn (R-OK) / Kay Hutchinson (R-TX) : 2009-Current


My dream List!

My god man, you really are crazy!!!!!
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« Reply #263 on: July 21, 2009, 04:39:46 PM »

Wow, I think I just found my next what if scenario......

Please, do it!!

Guerilla Commandante Clinton, lol Cheesy
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« Reply #264 on: July 21, 2009, 05:35:23 PM »

Ladies and gentelmans... the honorable Presidents of the Confederate States of America!


1st: Jefferson Davis (D-MS), February 18, 1861 - February 20, 1867
2nd: John C. Breckinridge (D-KY), February 20, 1867 - February 20, 1874
3rd: Alexander Stephens (W-GA), February 20, 1874 - May 12, 1878
4th: Richard Coke (W-TX), May 12, 1878 - February 20, 1881
5th: Alvin Hawkins (W-TN), February 20, 1881 - February 20, 1888
6th: John Brown Gordon (D-GA), February, 20, 1888 - February 20, 1895
7th: Thomas Jordan Jarvis (D-NC), Febuary 20, 1895 - February 20, 1902
8th: Thomas Watson (P-GA), February 20, 1902 - February 20, 1909
9th: William D. Jelks (C-AL), Feburuary 20, 1909 - February 20, 1916
10th: William Hodges Mann (C-VA), February 20, 1916 - October 3, 1919
11th: Sidney Johnston Catts (C-FL), October 3, 1919 - February 20, 1923
12th: Ellison D. Smith (C-SC), February 20, 1923 - February 20, 1930
13th: Bibb Graves (P-AL), February 20, 1930 - February 20, 1937
14: Richard Russell, Jr. (P-GA), February 20, 1937 - February 20, 1944
15th: Theodore Bilbo (C-MS), February 20, 1944 - August 21, 1947
16th: Harry F. Byrd (C-VA), August 21, 1947 - February 20, 1951
17: Estes Kefauver (P-TN), February 20, 1951 - February 20, 1958
18th: Lyndon B. Johnson (P-TX), February 20, 1958 - February 20, 1965
19th: John M. Patterson (C-AL), February 20, 1965 - February 20, 1972
20th: Jimmy Carter (P-GA), February 20, 1972 - February 20, 1979
21st: William E. Brock (C-TN), February 20, 1979 - January 3, 1981
22nd: John G. Tower (C-TX), January 3, 1981 - February 20, 1986
23rd: Dale Bumpers (P-AR), February 20, 1986 - February 20, 1992
24th: Newt Gingrich (C-GA), February 20, 1992 - February 20, 1999
25th: Al Gore (D-TN), Febuary 20, 1999 - February 20, 2006
27th: Bill Richardson (P-NM), February 20, 2006 - present

Democratic Party: The first party, conservative and seccessionist

Whig Party: Founded by Stevens, more moderate

Constitution Party: Conservative, smilliar to mainsteram today Southern Republicans and previously Dixiecrats

Populist Party: Progressive, composing working class, big cities, educated whites and emancipated minorities
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« Reply #265 on: July 21, 2009, 11:18:02 PM »
« Edited: July 22, 2009, 10:13:03 AM by Sewer Socialist for Senate »

19th:Samuel J. Tilden/Thomas A. Hendricks 1877-1885
20th:George F. Edmunds/John Alexander Logan 1885-1886
20th:George F. Edmunds/ 1886-1889

21th:Grover Cleveland/Allen G. Thurman 1889-1893
22th:William McKinley/Russell A. Alger 1893-1897
23th:Horace Boies/Arthur Sewall 1897-1900
23th:Horace Boies/Adlai Stevenson 1900-1901

24th:Adlai Stevenson/Alton B. Parker 1901-1909
25th:Alton B. Parker/John W. Kern 1909-1913

26th:Robert LaFollette/Hiram Johnson 1913-1921
27th:Hiram Johnson/Calvin Coolidge 1921-1933

28th:John Nance Garner/Albert Ritchie 1933-1936
28th:John Nance Garner/James A. Reed 1936-1941

29th:Arthur H. Vandenberg/Charles L. McNary 1941-1944
29th:Arthur H. Vandenberg/Harold Stassen 1944-1949

30th:Harold Stassen/Earl Warren 1949-1953
31th:Adlai Stevenson/John Sparkman 1953-1961
32th:Estes Kefauver/Stuart Symington 1961-1963
33th:Stuart Symington/John F. Kennedy 1963-1969

34th:Richard Nixon/George Romney 1969-1974
35th:George Romney/Bob Dole 1974-1977

36th:Henry Jackson/Birch Bayh 1977-1981
37th:Ronald Reagan/George H. W. Bush 1981-1981
38th:George H. W. Bush/Bob Dole 1981-1989
39th:Bob Dole/Jack Kemp 1989-1993

40th:Douglas Wilder/Al Gore 1993-2001
41th:Elizabeth Dole/George W. Bush 2001-2009
42th:Barack Obama/Tom Vilsack 2009-
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« Reply #266 on: July 22, 2009, 09:51:21 PM »

FDR : Ruining the economy?

1921-1929 : Calvin Coolidge (R-MA) / Frank Lowden (R-IL)
1929-1933 : Franklin Roosevelt (D-NY) / Michael Cox (D-OH)
1933-1944 : Arthur Vandenberg (R-MI) / Harry S. New (R-IN) *
1944-1949 : Harry S. New (R-IN) / Herbert Hoover (R-KS)
1949-1955 : Richard Nixon (D-CA) / Henry Cabot Lodge  JR (D-MA) **
1955-1965 : Dwight Eisenhower (R-KS) / Harold Stassen (R-MN) ***
1965-1969 : Barry Goldwater (R-AZ) / John Tower (R-TX)
1969-1972 : John F. Kennedy (D-MA) / Lyndon Johnson (D-TN) *
1972-1977 : Lyndon Johnson (D-TN) / Jimmy Carter (D-AL)
1977-1981 : Jimmy Carter (D-AL) / George Romney (D-MI)
1981-1989 : Jack Kemp (R-NY) / Ronald Reagan (R-CA)
1989-1997 : George H.W Bush (R-CT) / Fred Thompson (R-TN)
1997-2005 : Bill Clinton (D-AR) / Zell Miller (D-GA)
2005-Current : George W. Bush (R-KS) / Kay Hutchinson (R-TX)

* Vandenberg is killed when White House is bombed by Germany. Vandenberg only one killed.
** Nixon is impeached for corruption crimes, as is lodge
*** Fmr Gen. And Speaker Eisenhower (R-KS)  is sworn in as president!
* JFK is killed on a trip to Tulsa, OK
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« Reply #267 on: July 22, 2009, 11:07:37 PM »
« Edited: July 23, 2009, 02:49:04 PM by NiK »

America: The New Rome

America falls into a Ceaser-esque Dictatorship.  It is a sort of Monarchy, and the President before chooses his successor. His successor may not be an immediate family member, so that you may not create a dynasty. They must also be over the age of 35. A President must be born in a US State or Territory. Presidents serve life-terms, and can only be removed from office if they choose to step down or a unanimous vote from the Senate.

Their Excellencies, the Presidents:

1789-1799 George Washington
1799-1826 Thomas Jefferson
1826-1852 Henry Clay
1852-1867 Abraham Lincoln
1867-1886 Winfield Hancock
1886-1901 Benjamin Harrison
1901-1932 Theodore Roosevelt
1932-1948 Franklin Roosevelt
1948-1963 Lyndon Johnson
1963-1969 James Roosevelt
1969-2005 John F. Kennedy
2005-         Hillary Rodham
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« Reply #268 on: July 23, 2009, 05:46:48 AM »

America: The New Rome

America falls into a Ceaser-esque Dictatorship.  It is a sort of Monarchy, and the President before chooses his successor. His successor may not be an immediate family member, so that you may not create a dynasty. They must also be over the age of 35. A President must be born in a US State or Territory. Presidents serve life-terms, and can only be removed from office if they choose to step down or a unanimous vote from the Senate.

Their Excellencies, the Presidents:

1789-1799 George Washington
1799-1826 Thomas Jefferson
1826-1852 Henry Clay
1852-1867 Abraham Lincoln
1867-1886 Winfield Hancock
1886-1901 Benjamin Harrison
1901-1932 Theodore Roosevelt
1932-1948 Franklin Roosevelt
1948-1963 Lyndon Johnson
1963-1969 James Roosevelt
1969-2005 John F. Kennedy
2004-         Hillary Rodham

Good list

It's even probable FDR would appoint LBJ and TR would appoint cousin Franklin Grin

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« Reply #269 on: July 23, 2009, 06:19:19 AM »

Yeah, agreed.
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« Reply #270 on: July 23, 2009, 02:48:40 PM »

America: The New Rome

America falls into a Ceaser-esque Dictatorship.  It is a sort of Monarchy, and the President before chooses his successor. His successor may not be an immediate family member, so that you may not create a dynasty. They must also be over the age of 35. A President must be born in a US State or Territory. Presidents serve life-terms, and can only be removed from office if they choose to step down or a unanimous vote from the Senate.

Their Excellencies, the Presidents:

1789-1799 George Washington
1799-1826 Thomas Jefferson
1826-1852 Henry Clay
1852-1867 Abraham Lincoln
1867-1886 Winfield Hancock
1886-1901 Benjamin Harrison
1901-1932 Theodore Roosevelt
1932-1948 Franklin Roosevelt
1948-1963 Lyndon Johnson
1963-1969 James Roosevelt
1969-2005 John F. Kennedy
2005-         Hillary Rodham

Good list

It's even probable FDR would appoint LBJ and TR would appoint cousin Franklin Grin



Thank you.
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« Reply #271 on: July 23, 2009, 04:33:15 PM »
« Edited: July 23, 2009, 04:36:51 PM by Historico »

Hey...Here's a list on possible CSA President's based on my friend's Robert's Black and Gray timeline featured here http://www.geocities.com/robertp6165/blackconfederatecontents.html .Ill probably do a continued list for the USA, TX, and Desert at a later date.

The Black and The Gray TL: CSA Presidents

1. Jefferson F. Davis (D/I-MS): February 18th 1861-Feburary 22nd 1868
2. Robert E. Lee (L-VA): February 22nd 1868-October 10th 1870*
3. Patrick R. Cleburne (L-TN): October 10th 1870-Feburary 22nd 1874
4. James Longstreet (L-GA): February 22nd 1874-Febuary 22nd 1880
5. Wade Hampton III (L-SC): February 22nd 1880-September 22nd 1881*
6. Fitzhugh Lee (L-VA): September 22nd 1881-February 22nd 1892
7. Joseph Wheeler (L-AL): February 22nd 1892-Feburary 22nd 1898

8. Raphael Semmes JR. (SS-MD): February 22nd 1898-Feburary 22nd 1904
9. J.E.B. Stuart, Jr. (SS-VA): February 22nd 1904-February 22nd 1910
10. Simon Bolivar Buckner Jr. (SS-KY): February 22nd 1910-Feburary 22nd 1916

11. Woodrow Wilson (L-VA): February 22nd 1916-Februrary 22nd 1922
12. Eugene Talmadge (SS-GA): February 22nd 1922-February 22nd 1928
13. Albert C. Ritchie (L-MD): February 22nd 1928-February 22nd 1934
14. Thomas W. Hardwick (L-GA): February 22nd 1934- February 22nd 1940

15. Harvey Parnell (SS-AK): February 22nd 1940-Febuary 22nd 1946
16. Richard B. Russell Jr. (L-GA): February 22nd 1946-February 22nd 1952
17. John J. Sparkman (SS-AL): February 22nd 1952-February 22nd 1958
18. Estes Kefauver (L-TN): February 22nd 1958-August 10th 1963*
19. George C. Wallace Jr. (L-AL): August 10th 1963-Feburary 1972

20. George A. Smathers (SS-FL): February 22nd 1972-February 22nd 1980
21. James E. “Jimmy” Carter (L-GA): February 22nd 1980-Febuary 22nd 1986
22. Edwin W. Edwards (L-LA): February 22nd 1986-March 10th 1990**
23. Harvey B. Gantt (L-NC): March 10th 1990-Febuary 22nd 1998***

24. Marion G. “Pat” Robertson (SS-VA): February 22nd 1988-Feburary 22nd 2006
25. Katherine Harris (SS-FL): February 22nd 2006-???***


Notes.

2. Died in office due to complications of pneumonia.
5. Assassinated by a Cuban Revolutionary via explosive.
18. Died in office due to a massive heart attack.
22. Resigned the office of POTCS, due to corruption charges.
23. First African American President
25. First Female President
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« Reply #272 on: July 23, 2009, 06:04:33 PM »

Ladies and Gentelmen, Presidents of the Commonwealth of New England!

No FDR, depression caused to break the U.S. into severeal parts, inluding New England commonwelath

Like in now NH and VR, two-year term, possible two reelections

1st: Wilbur Lucius Cross (D-CT), October 13, 1933 - January 2, 1935 (provisional)
2nd: James Michael Curley (D-MA), January 2, 1935 - January 2, 1941
3rd: Theodore F. Green (D-RI), January 2, 1941 - January 2, 1945
4th: H. Styles Bridges (R-NH), January 2, 1945 - January 2, 1951
5th: George D. Aiken (R-VT), January 2, 1951 - January 2, 1953
6th: John O. Pastore (D-RI), January 2, 1953 - January 2, 1959
7th: John F. Kennedy (D-MA), January 2, 1959 - October 23, 1964
8th: John W. King (D-NH), October 23, 1964 - January 2, 1967
9th: John A. Volpe (R-MA), January 2, 1967 - January 2, 1971
10th: Edmund S. Muskie (D-ME), January 2, 1971 - January 2, 1977
11th: Meldrim Thomson, Jr. (R-NH), January 2, 1977 - January 2, 1979
12th: Michael S. Dukakis (D-MA), January 2, 1979 - January 2, 1985
13th: William A. O'Neill (D-CT), January 2, 1985 - January 2, 1989
14th: William F. Weld (R-MA), January 2, 1989 - January 2, 1995
15th: Judd A. Gregg (R-NH), January 2, 1995 - January 2, 1999
16th: Howard B. Dean (D-VT), January 2, 1999 - January 2, 2005
17th: Susan M. Collins (R-ME), January 2, 2005 - January 2, 2009
18th: Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH), January 2, 2009 - present

15, 17: Defeated for third term
7: Died from natural causes
8: V.P. who succeeded the office. Defeated for second full term
9, 13: Declined to run for reelection
5, 11: Defeated after just one term.

Thomson was the most conservative President in Commonwealth and sometimes, along Bridges and, in some degree, Gregg, considered only "really conservative".
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« Reply #273 on: July 24, 2009, 08:14:05 AM »

The GOP disappears after 1936 :

Franklin D. Roosevelt : 1933-1945
Henry Wallace : 1945-1953
Dwight Eisenhower : 1953-1961
Lyndon Johnson : 1961-1969
Nelson Rockefeller : 1969-1977
Walter Mondale : 1977-1981

Ronald Reagan : 1981-1993
Newt Gingrich : 1993-1997

Al Gore : 1997-2005
John McCain : 2005-2009

Dennis Kucinich : 2009-

After 1936, the Republican Party starts to collapse, and Roosevelt is reelected without any real opposition. An "era of good feelings" begins, with democratic party becoming an ultra-dominant party. However, in the end of 1960's, appears a Conservative party, led by Richar Nixon, and clearly rightist on all issues. After the economic crisis, conservative Ronald Reagan defeats incumbent democratic president Walter Mondale, and since there was no term limit, he remains in office until 1993. However, his successor Newt Gingrich's far-rightist policies permit the rise of the Moderate party, gathering moderates on both sides. After the 2008 economic crisis, moderate president McCain becames unpopular and his defeated by Dennis Kucinich, candidate of the newborn Social-democratic party.
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« Reply #274 on: July 24, 2009, 09:03:18 PM »

The GOP disappears after 1936 :

Franklin D. Roosevelt : 1933-1945
Henry Wallace : 1945-1953
Dwight Eisenhower : 1953-1961
Lyndon Johnson : 1961-1969
Nelson Rockefeller : 1969-1977
Walter Mondale : 1977-1981

Ronald Reagan : 1981-1993
Newt Gingrich : 1993-1997

Al Gore : 1997-2005
John McCain : 2005-2009

Dennis Kucinich : 2009-

After 1936, the Republican Party starts to collapse, and Roosevelt is reelected without any real opposition. An "era of good feelings" begins, with democratic party becoming an ultra-dominant party. However, in the end of 1960's, appears a Conservative party, led by Richar Nixon, and clearly rightist on all issues. After the economic crisis, conservative Ronald Reagan defeats incumbent democratic president Walter Mondale, and since there was no term limit, he remains in office until 1993. However, his successor Newt Gingrich's far-rightist policies permit the rise of the Moderate party, gathering moderates on both sides. After the 2008 economic crisis, moderate president McCain becames unpopular and his defeated by Dennis Kucinich, candidate of the newborn Social-democratic party.


Good list!
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