List of Alternate Presidents

[Reaganfan]

32nd (D) Franklin Roosevelt (1933-1945)
33rd (D) Harry Truman (1945-1953)
34th (R) Robert Taft (1953)
35th (R) Douglas MacArthur (1953-1961)
36th (R) Richard Nixon (1961-1969)
37th (D) Hubert Humphrey (1969-1977)
38th (R) Nelson Rockefeller (1977-1979)
39th (R) Ronald Reagan (1979-1989)
40th (D) Gary Hart (1989-1993)
41st (R) George H.W. Bush (1993-2001)
42nd (D) Joe Lieberman (2001-2009)
43rd (R) John McCain (2009-Present)

This assumes Robert Taft got the Republican Nomination in 1952, as he vowed to put General MacArthur on the ticket. Had he, and died in 1953, MacArthur would have become President of the United States. After President MacArthur's two terms, Senator Nixon of California wins the White House and holds it for eight years, followed by Minnesota Senator Hubert Humphrey.

In 1977, President Humphrey is succeeded by Governor Nelson Rockefeller of New York. The Rockefeller/Reagan administration is shortlived, when President Rockefeller dies of a heart attack in 1979. Vice President Reagan becomes President, winning his own term in 1980 with George Bush on the ticket, and then Reagan wins his own re-election in 1984. In 1988, Vice President Bush loses narrowly to Senator Gary Hart of Colorado and despite reservations, rematches with Hart in 1992 to win a landslide against him. President Bush is then re-elected in 1996.

Joe Lieberman defeats Vice President Dick Cheney in one of the closest elections in 2000, serving from 2001 to 2009, suceeded by Arizona Senator John McCain.

[pbrower2a]

Any Dick Lugar fans here?

Voinovich?

I'm discussing two politicians with experience as both Mayor of a large city and a US Senator.

[Captain Chaos]

Here is my list based on the POD that Fromme's assasination attempt on Gerald Ford is successful.

38th: Gerald Ford (R-MI), August 9th 1974-September 5th 1975
39th: Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY), September 5th 1975-January 26th, 1979*
40th: John Connally (R-TX), January 26th, 1979- January 20th, 1981
41st: John Glenn (D-OH), January 20th, 1981-January 20th,1989
42nd: Jack Kemp (R-NY), January 20th, 1989-January 20th,1996
43rd: Ann Richards (D-TX), January 20th 1996-January 20th, 2005*
44th: Bill Bradley (D-NJ), January 20th 2005-January 20th 2009
45th: Mike Huckabee (R-AR), January 20th 2009-

Notes: Rocky dies on time as per OTL, after beating Carter in the 1976 General Election. By 1996 Governor Ann Richards of TX narrowly beats out VA Governor Douglas Wilder for the nomination to win the Presidency...So does it seem like a likley list?

I don't mean to nitpick but wouldn't Jack Kemp serve as President until January 20, 1997?

[Captain Chaos]

POD: Dwight Eisenhower decides to run for President in 1948.

34th Dwight Eisenhower (R) (1949-1957)
35th Lyndon B. Johnson (D) (1957-1963) (1)
36th Hubert H. Humphrey (D) (1963-1973)
37th Ronald Reagan (R) (1973-1977)
38th John F. Kennedy (D) (1977-1979) (2)
39th Jimmy Carter (D) (1979-1985)
40th Howard Baker (R) (1985-1993)
41st Albert Gore Jr. (D) (1993-2001)
42nd Joseph Biden (D) (2001-2005)
43rd John McCain (R) (2005-2008) (3)
44th George Allen (R) (2008-2009)
45th Evan Bayh (D) (2009-Present)

(1) Assassinated in Dallas by Lee Harvey Oswald. Succeeded by his Vice President Hubert Humphrey who would avoid a war with Vietnam (no Gulf of Tonkin resolution).
(2) Vice President from 1965-1973. Chose not to run for President in 1972 for health reasons. Governor Ronald Reagan of California tied the Democratic nominee George McGovern to 16 years of Democratic control of the White House. JFK defeated Reagan in 1976 and died in 1979 from complications related to Addison's Disease.
(3) Died in office and succeeded by his Vice President George Allen.

[Reaganfan]

35th (D) John Kennedy (1961-1963)
36th (D) Lyndon Johnson (1963-1969)
37th (R) Nelson Rockefeller (1969-1977)
38th (D) Birch Bayh (1977-1981)
39th (R) Ronald Reagan (1981-1989)
40th (D) Al Gore (1989-1997)
41st (R) Dick Cheney (1997-2005)
42nd (D) Evan Bayh (2005-2009)
43rd (R) George Allen (2009-Present)

[Daniel Z]

South Wins civil War

North
16th: Abraham Lincoln (R-IL): 1861-1865
17th: George McClellan (D-PA): 1865-1873
18th: George Pendleton (D-OH): 1873-1877
19th: James G. Blaine (R-ME): 1877-1889
20th: Levi Morton (R-NY): 1889-1897
21st: Adlai E. Stevenson (D-IL): 1897-1901
22nd: Mark Hanna (R-OH): 1901-1904*
23rd: Elihu Root (R-NY): 1904-1905
24th: Robert LaFollette (R-WI): 1905-1913
25th: John Kern (D-IN): 1913-1917
26th: Charles Hughes (R-NY): 1917-1925
27th: Hiram Johnson (R-CA): 1925-1933
28th: Albert Richie (D-MD): 1933-1936*
29th: Al Smith (D-NY): 1936-1944*
30th: Henry Wallace (D-IA): 1944-1945
31st: Earl Warren (R-CA): 1945-1953
32nd: Adlai Stevenson (D-IL): 1953-1957
33rd: Prescott Bush (R-CT): 1957-1965
34th: Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY) 1965-1969
35th: Hubert Humphrey (D-MN): 1969-1977
36th: Daniel Evans (R-WA): 1977-1985
37th: Walter Mondale (D-MN) 1985-1989
38th: Dan Quayle (R-IN): 1989-1997
39th: George Voinovich (R-OH): 1997-2001
40th: Hillary Rodham (D-NY): 2001-2006^
41st: Gary Locke (D-WA): 2006-2009
42nd: Tommy Thompson (R-WI): 2009-
*died in office
^impeached

South
1. Jefferson Davis (MS) 1861-1889*
2. John Reagan (TX) 1889-1905*
3. Francis Cockrell (MO) 1905-1915*
4. Champ Clark (MO) 1915-1921*
5. John Davis (VR) 1921-1955*
6. Harry Byrd (VR) 1955-1966*
7. Al Gore (TN) 1966-1971
-One party state abolished elections called for 1970
8. George Wallace (P-AL) 1971-1975
9. Strom Thurmond (C-SC) 1975-1987
10. Robert Byrd (P-VR) 1987-1991
11. Jesse Helmes (C-NC) 1991-1995
12. George Wallace (P-AL) 1995-1998*
13. Bill Clinton (P-AR) 1998-2006^
14. Phil Bredesen (P-TN) 2006-2007
15. Haley Barbour (C-MS) 2007-
* Died in office
^impeached

[Middle-aged Europe]

South
1. Jefferson Davis (MS) 1861-1889*
2. John Reagan (TX) 1889-1905*
3. Francis Cockrell (MO) 1905-1915*
4. Champ Clark (MO) 1915-1921*
5. John Davis (VR) 1921-1955*
6. Harry Byrd (VR) 1955-1966*
7. Al Gore (TN) 1966-1971
-One party state abolished elections called for 1970
8. George Wallace (P-AL) 1971-1975
9. Strom Thurmond (C-SC) 1975-1987
10. Robert Byrd (P-VR) 1987-1991
11. Jesse Helmes (C-NC) 1991-1995
12. George Wallace (P-AL) 1995-1998*
13. Bill Clinton (P-AR) 1998-2006^
14. Phil Bredesen (P-TN) 2006-2007
15. Haley Barbour (C-MS) 2007-
* Died in office
^impeached

According to the Confederate constitution, the president was to be elected for a single six-year term without the possibility of re-election. Did the Confederacy have a different constitution in your timeline or was it amended after the South's victory?

[Daniel Z]

South
1. Jefferson Davis (MS) 1861-1889*
2. John Reagan (TX) 1889-1905*
3. Francis Cockrell (MO) 1905-1915*
4. Champ Clark (MO) 1915-1921*
5. John Davis (VR) 1921-1955*
6. Harry Byrd (VR) 1955-1966*
7. Al Gore (TN) 1966-1971
-One party state abolished elections called for 1970
8. George Wallace (P-AL) 1971-1975
9. Strom Thurmond (C-SC) 1975-1987
10. Robert Byrd (P-VR) 1987-1991
11. Jesse Helmes (C-NC) 1991-1995
12. George Wallace (P-AL) 1995-1998*
13. Bill Clinton (P-AR) 1998-2006^
14. Phil Bredesen (P-TN) 2006-2007
15. Haley Barbour (C-MS) 2007-
* Died in office
^impeached

According to the Confederate constitution, the president was to be elected for a single six-year term without the possibility of reelection. Did the Confederacy have a different constitution in your timeline or was it amended after the South's victory?

It was slowly amended over the course of Jefferson Davis Presidency. Towards the end of Davis's first term the constitution was amended to allow him to run for reelection, and he was legitimately reelected for a second term, but subsequent elections became less and less Democratic.

[Psychic Octopus]

Jerry Brown's Rise

42. Edmund Brown 1993-2001
43. Steve Forbes 2001-2009
44. John McCain 2009-2013
45. David Paterson 2013-2021
46. Aaron Schock  2021-

[Captain Chaos]

POD: FDR dies in January 1944

33rd (D) Henry Wallace (1944-1945)
34th (R) Thomas Dewey (1945-1953)
35th (D) W. Averell Harriman (1953-1961)
36th (D) Lyndon Johnson (1961-1965)
37th (R) Richard Nixon (1965-1968), assassinated by Sirhan Sirhan in 1968
38th (R) Everett Dirksen (1968-1969)
39th (D) John F. Kennedy (1969-1977)
40th (D) Terry Sanford (1977-1981)
41st (R) Robert Dole (1981-1989)
42nd (D) Robert F. Kennedy (1989-1995), died of diabetes in 1995
43rd (D) Albert Gore Jr. (1995-1997)
44th (R) John McCain (1997-2005)
45th (D) Bill Clinton (2005-Present)

[RosettaStoned]

Thomas Dewey (1949-1957)
Earl Warren (1957-1961)
Stuart Symington (1961-1969)
George Romney (1969-1977)
Edmund Muskie (1977-1981)
Robert Dole (1981-1989)
Jack Kemp (1989-1993)
Gary Hart (1993-2001)
John McCain (2001-2009)
John Kerry (2009-

[Wakie]

It is US Grant (instead of Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson) who is accidentally shot by his own men in May of 1863.  Ultimately the South wins the Civil War and George McClellan wins the 1864 election.


NORTH Presidents
16 - Abraham Lincoln (1860 - 1864)
17 - George McClellan (1864 - 1872)
18 - Charles Francis Adams (1872 - 1876)
19 - Winfield Hancock (1876 - 1881)
*shot and killed by Charles Guiteau
20 - Thomas Hendricks (1881 - 1888)
21 - Benjamin Harrison (1888 - 1892)
22 - Grover Cleveland (1892 - 1900)
23 - William Jennings Bryan (1900 - 1901)
*shot and killed by Leon Czolgosz
25 - Adlai Stevenson I (1901 - 1904)
26 - Theodore Roosevelt (1904 - 1912)
27 - William Randolph Hearst (1912 - 1920)
28 - John J Pershing (1920 - 1928)
29 - Herbert Hoover (1928 - 1932)
30 - Franklin D Roosevelt (1932 - 1945)
*dies in office
31 - Scott Lucas (1945 - 1948)
32 - Thomas Dewey (1948 - 1952)
33 - Dwight Eisenhower (1952 - 1960)
34 - John F Kennedy (1960 - 1968)
*no 1963 JFK assassination because he isn't in Texas
35 - Richard Nixon (1968 - 1974)
*resigns following Watergate
36 - Gerald Ford (1974 - 1976)
37 - Birch Bayh (1976 - 1980)
38 - Ronald Reagan (1980 - 1988)
39 - George HW Bush (1988 - 1996)
40 - Evan Bayh (1996 - 2004)
41 - John McCain (2004 - 2012)
Note: No Obama campaign because no 2004 Obama Convention speech


SOUTH Presidents
1 - Jefferson Davis (1861 - 1867)
2 - Alexander Stephens (1867 - 1873)
3 - Nathan Bedford Forrest (1873 - 1877)
*dies in office from diabetes complications
4 - Judah Benjamin (1877 - 1879)
*VP successor of Forrest, doesn't seek election
5 - George Washington Custis Lee (1879 - 1885)
6 - William Henry Lee (1885 - 1891)
7 - Charles Crisp (1891 - 1896)
*dies in office
8 - John T Morgan (1896 - 1903)
*VP successor of Crisp, seeks and wins election of his own
9 - Joseph Blackburn (1903 - 1909)
10 - James "Champ" Clark (1909 - 1915)
11 - Woodrow Wilson (1915 - 1921)
12 - Carter Glass (1921 - 1927)
13 - William McAdoo (1927 - 1933)
14 - John Nance Garner (1933 - 1939)
15 - Alben Barkley (1939 - 1945)
16 - Richard Russell (1945 - 1951)
17 - Harry Byrd (1951 - 1957)
18 - Lyndon Johnson (1957 - 1963)
19 - George Wallace (1963)
*shot and killed in Dallas by Lee Harvey Oswald
20 - Robert Lovett (1963 - 1969)
*VP succesor of Wallace
21 - Strom Thurmond (1969 - 1975)
22 - Jimmy Carter (1975 - 1981)
23 - Fidel "Phil" Castro (1981 - 1987)
*former minor league pitcher and Senator from the CSA state of Cuba which was added after the war with Spain at the turn of the century
24 - Jesse Helms (1987 - 1993)
25 - Bill Clinton (1993 - 1999)
26 - Trent Lott (1999 - 2005)
27 - John Edwards (2005 - 2011)

[Antonio the Sixth]

Franklin D. Roosevelt ( 1932-1945 )
*Roosevelt don't runs in 1944 election and Wallace wins the primary.
Henry Wallace ( 1945-1953 )
Adlai Stevenson ( 1953-1961 )
John F. Kennedy ( 1961-1963 )
Lyndon B. Johnson ( 1963-1973 )
*Johnson promits peace in Vietnam and keeps his promise.
Nelson Rockefeller ( 1973-1981 )
Walter Mondale ( 1981-1989 )
Michael Dukakis ( 1989-1997 )
John McCain ( 1997-2001 )
Al Gore ( 2001-2009 )
Barack H. Obama ( 2009-2017 )

[Captain Chaos]

40 straight years of Democratic Presidents? This list jumps the shark.

Henry Wallace's far left (pro USSR) views would make him unelectable in a general election. The Southern delegations would never nominate Wallace. Also in 1944, very few states had primary. The majority of delegates were picked by party bosses and local party conventions.

Even if Wallace won most of the primaries, he would not be guaranteed his party's nomination. Senator Claude Pepper would most likely be the nominee because he is a Southerner who was close to labor unions and was very supportive of the New Deal.

The reason why FDR ran for reelection in 1944 was because the USA was still fighting in World War II. The only reason FDR would not run for reelection would be because WWII ended earlier.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I didn't say it was a realistic alternate list, but it think that could be interesting to imagine a 40 years democratic domination. However, I managed to inser two republicans I find more nice.

Obviously Stevenson could not win in 1952 and 1956, Johnson could very hardly win in 1968, and that would have been very difficult for Mondale and Dukakis too.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

19.  Samuel Tilden (Democratic - New York): 1877-1881
20.  Rutherford B. Hayes (Republican - Ohio): 1881-1885
21.  James Blaine (Republican - Maine): 1885-1893
22.  David B. Hill (Democratic - New York): 1893-1897
23.  Nelson W. Aldrich (Republican - Rhode Island): 1897-1905
24.  Boies Penrose (Republican - Pennsylvania): 1905-1909
25.  J. C. W. Beckham (Democratic - Kentucky): 1909-1917
26.  Theodore Roosevelt (Republican - New York): 1917-1919
27.  Frank M. Byrne (Republican  - South Dakota): 1919-1928
28.  Hebert Hoover (Republican - California): 1928-1937
29.  Alben Barkley (Democratic - Kentucky): 1937-1941
30.  Franklin D. Roosevelt (Republican - New York): 1941-1949
31.  John O. Pastore (Democratic - Rhode Island): 1949-1953
32.  Dwight D. Eisenhower (Republican - Kansas): 1953-1961
33.  Orville Freeman (Republican - Minnesota): 1961-1965
34.  Terry Sanford (Democratic - North Carolina): 1965-1970
35.  John F. Kennedy (Democratic - Massachusetts): 1970-1977
36.  Nelson Rockefeller (Republican - New York): 1977-1978
37.  Bob Dole (Republican - Kansas): 1978-1985
38.  Dale Bumpers (Democratic - Arkansas): 1985-1989
39.  Bob Packwood (Republican - Oregon): 1989-1994
40.  Jack Kemp (Republican - New York): 1994-1997
41.  Al Gore (Democratic - Tennessee): 1997-2005
42.  Mario Cuomo (Republican - New York): 2005-??

[Psychic Octopus]

19.  Samuel Tilden (Democratic - New York): 1877-1881
20.  Rutherford B. Hayes (Republican - Ohio): 1881-1885
21.  James Blaine (Republican - Maine): 1885-1893
22.  David B. Hill (Democratic - New York): 1893-1897
23.  Nelson W. Aldrich (Republican - Rhode Island): 1897-1905
24.  Boies Penrose (Republican - Pennsylvania): 1905-1909
25.  J. C. W. Beckham (Democratic - Kentucky): 1909-1917
26.  Theodore Roosevelt (Republican - New York): 1917-1919
27.  Frank M. Byrne (Republican  - South Dakota): 1919-1928
28.  Hebert Hoover (Republican - California): 1928-1937
29.  Alben Barkley (Democratic - Kentucky): 1937-1941
30.  Franklin D. Roosevelt (Republican - New York): 1941-1949
31.  John O. Pastore (Democratic - Rhode Island): 1949-1953
32.  Dwight D. Eisenhower (Republican - Kansas): 1953-1961
33.  Orville Freeman (Republican - Minnesota): 1961-1965
34.  Terry Sanford (Democratic - North Carolina): 1965-1970
35.  John F. Kennedy (Democratic - Massachusetts): 1970-1977
36.  Nelson Rockefeller (Republican - New York): 1977-1978
37.  Bob Dole (Republican - Kansas): 1978-1985
38.  Dale Bumpers (Democratic - Arkansas): 1985-1989
39.  Bob Packwood (Republican - Oregon): 1989-1994
40.  Jack Kemp (Republican - New York): 1994-1997
41.  Al Gore (Democratic - Tennessee): 1997-2005
42.  Mario Cuomo (Republican - New York): 2005-??

good but Wouldn't Cuomo be too old?

[Captain Chaos]

POD: Herbert Hoover declares his candidacy for President in 1920

29. Herbert Hoover (R), 1921-1929
30. Frank Lowden (R), 1929-1933
31. Harry Byrd (D), 1933-1941
32. Theodore Roosevelt Jr. (R), 1941-1943 (died in office)
33. Styles Bridges (R), 1943-1949
34. Frank Lausche (D), 1949-1957
35. Franklin D. Roosevelt Jr. (R), 1957-1965
36. Henry Cabot Lodge (R), 1965-1969
37. John F. Kennedy (D), 1969-1972 (assassinated by Arthur Bremer)
38. John Connally (D), 1972-1974 (resigned to avoid impeachment)
39. Thomas Eagleton (D), 1974-1977
40. John Chafee (R), 1977-1985
41. Reuben Askew (D), 1985-1993
42. Thomas Kean (R), 1993-2001
43. William Weld (R), 2001-2009
44. John Cornyn (D), 2009-Present

[Antonio the Sixth]

19.  Samuel Tilden (Democratic - New York): 1877-1881
20.  Rutherford B. Hayes (Republican - Ohio): 1881-1885
21.  James Blaine (Republican - Maine): 1885-1893
22.  David B. Hill (Democratic - New York): 1893-1897
23.  Nelson W. Aldrich (Republican - Rhode Island): 1897-1905
24.  Boies Penrose (Republican - Pennsylvania): 1905-1909
25.  J. C. W. Beckham (Democratic - Kentucky): 1909-1917
26.  Theodore Roosevelt (Republican - New York): 1917-1919
27.  Frank M. Byrne (Republican  - South Dakota): 1919-1928
28.  Hebert Hoover (Republican - California): 1928-1937
29.  Alben Barkley (Democratic - Kentucky): 1937-1941
30.  Franklin D. Roosevelt (Republican - New York): 1941-1949
31.  John O. Pastore (Democratic - Rhode Island): 1949-1953
32.  Dwight D. Eisenhower (Republican - Kansas): 1953-1961
33.  Orville Freeman (Republican - Minnesota): 1961-1965
34.  Terry Sanford (Democratic - North Carolina): 1965-1970
35.  John F. Kennedy (Democratic - Massachusetts): 1970-1977
36.  Nelson Rockefeller (Republican - New York): 1977-1978
37.  Bob Dole (Republican - Kansas): 1978-1985
38.  Dale Bumpers (Democratic - Arkansas): 1985-1989
39.  Bob Packwood (Republican - Oregon): 1989-1994
40.  Jack Kemp (Republican - New York): 1994-1997
41.  Al Gore (Democratic - Tennessee): 1997-2005
42.  Mario Cuomo (Republican - New York): 2005-??

Why would Franklin Roosevelt become a Republican ??

[Captain Chaos]

FDR Sr. stays a Democrat but never runs for President. On the other hand, his son FDR Jr. would become a Republican (IOTL, FDR Jr. was a Congressman from NYC during the 1950s).

[RosettaStoned]

Thomas Dewey (1945-1953)
Estes Kefauver (1953-1961)
Nelson Rockefeller (1961-1969)
Eugene McCarthy (1969-1977)
William Scranton (1977-1981)
Jerry Brown (1981-1989)
Lloyd Bentsen (1989-1993)
Pete Wilson (1993-2001)
Howard Dean (2001-2009)
Mitt Romney  (2009-

[Psychic Octopus]

Thomas Dewey (1945-1953)
Estes Kefauver (1953-1961)
Nelson Rockefeller (1961-1969)
Eugene McCarthy (1969-1977)
William Scranton (1977-1981)
Jerry Brown (1981-1989)
Lloyd Bentsen (1989-1993)
Pete Wilson (1993-2001)
Howard Dean (2001-2009)
Mitt Romney  (2009-

The Death of Conservatism or, actually, no conservatism.

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Thomas Dewey (1945-1953)
Estes Kefauver (1953-1961)
Nelson Rockefeller (1961-1969)
Eugene McCarthy (1969-1977)
William Scranton (1977-1981)
Jerry Brown (1981-1989)
Lloyd Bentsen (1989-1993)
Pete Wilson (1993-2001)
Howard Dean (2001-2009)
Mitt Romney  (2009-

The Death of Conservatism or, actually, no conservatism.

And I assume this would be the Mitt Romney who tried to out Ted Kennedy Ted Kennedy on abortion, not the one who ran for President in 2008.

[RosettaStoned]

Thomas Dewey (1945-1953)
Estes Kefauver (1953-1961)
Nelson Rockefeller (1961-1969)
Eugene McCarthy (1969-1977)
William Scranton (1977-1981)
Jerry Brown (1981-1989)
Lloyd Bentsen (1989-1993)
Pete Wilson (1993-2001)
Howard Dean (2001-2009)
Mitt Romney  (2009-

The Death of Conservatism or, actually, no conservatism.

Yeah thats what I was trying to make with that list; a world without conservatism

[Psychic Octopus]

Thomas Dewey (1945-1953)
Estes Kefauver (1953-1961)
Nelson Rockefeller (1961-1969)
Eugene McCarthy (1969-1977)
William Scranton (1977-1981)
Jerry Brown (1981-1989)
Lloyd Bentsen (1989-1993)
Pete Wilson (1993-2001)
Howard Dean (2001-2009)
Mitt Romney  (2009-

The Death of Conservatism or, actually, no conservatism.

Yeah thats what I was trying to make with that list; a world without conservatism

The only disappointy thing about is Lloyd Bentsen being defeated in 1992, as he is one of my fav. senators. Pretty good list, though.