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« on: June 04, 2009, 08:47:18 PM »
« edited: June 30, 2009, 11:47:26 PM by Mechaman »

President and Vice President rules (both on same ticket, ascendancy, plus a rule on assigning a new VP) are set at the Constitutional Convention. 12th Amendment is never passed due to it not being needed. The two term rule is univerally accepted by all presidents. Lots of controversy in this timeline to the point where there is a joke made about going to the White House:"White House:Because smoking and drinking aren't the only bad things for your health!" This is pretty long so I'll have to do another post to finish off the notes.
1. John Hancock(MA)/John Jay(NY) (Federalist) 1789-1793
2.Thomas Pinckney(SC)/Alexander Hamilton(VA) 1793-1801 (Federalist)*
3.Thomas Jefferson(VA)/George Clinton(NY) 1801-1809/(Democratic-Republican)
4. James Madison(VA)/John Q. Adams(MA) 1809-1817 (Democratic-Republican)*
5.James Monroe(VA)/Daniel D. Tompkins(NY) 1817-1825 (Democratic Republican)*
6.John Q. Adams(MA)/William Crawford(GA) 1825-1828 (Democratic Republican)1828-1829 (Democratic)
7.Henry Clay(KY)/Richard Rush(PA) 1829-1833 (National Republican)
8.William Smith(SC)/Andrew Jackson(TN) 1833 (Democratic)*
9.Andrew Jackson(TN)/Martin Van Buren(NY) 1833-1841 (Democratic)
10.Daniel Webster(MA)/John Tyler(VA) 1841-1845 (Whig)
11.Martin Van Buren(NY)/John Fairfield(ME) 1845-1850 (Democratic)*
12.John Fairfield(ME)/Franklin Pierce(NH) 1850-1853 (Democratic)
13.Stephen A Douglas(IL)/Jefferson Davis(MS) 1853-1857 (Democratic)
14.John C Fremont(CA)/Abraham Lincoln(IL) 1857-1864 (Republican)*
15.Abraham Lincoln(IL)/Ulysses S. Grant(OH) 1864-1865 (Republican)*
16.Ulysses S. Grant(OH)/Schuyler Colfax(IN) 1865-1873 (Republican)*
17.Benjamin Gratz Brown(MO)/Andrew G. Curtin(PA) 1873-1874 (Liberal Republican) 1874-1881 (Republican)*
18.Andrew G. Curtin(PA)/Blanche Kelso Bruce(MS) 1881 (Republican)*
19.Blanche Kelso Bruce(MS)/Marshall Jewell(CT) 1881-1885 (Republican)
20.Grover Cleveland(NY)/Thomas A Hendricks(IN) 1885/Adlai E Stevenson I(IL) 1885-1893 (Democrat)
21.Adlai E Stevenson I(IL)/Arthur P. Gorman(MD) 1893-1897 (Democrat)
22.Williams Jenning Bryan(NE)/Arthur Sewall(ME) 1897-1900/Thomas Edward Watson(GA) 1900-1901 (Democrat)*
23.William McKinley(OH)/Thomas B. Reed(ME) 1901 (Republican) *
24.Thomas B. Reed(ME)/Theodore Roosevelt(NY) 1901-1902 (Republican)*
25.Theodore Roosevelt(NY)/Charles W. Fairbanks(IN) 1902-1905 (Republican)*
26.William Howard Taft(OH)/Chales W. Fairbanks(IN) 1905-1909/James S. Sherman(NY) 1909-1913 (Republican)
27.Theodore Roosevelt(NY)/Hiram Johnson(CA) 1913-1919 (Progressive)*
28.Hiram Johnson(CA)/Robert M. LaFollette(WI) 1919-1921 (Progressive)
29.Warren G. Harding(OH)/Calvin Coolidge(MA) 1921-1923 (Republican)
30.Calvin Coolidge(MA)/Frank O. Lowden(IL) 1923-1929 (Republican)
31.Herbert Hoover(IA)/Charles Curtis(KS) 1929-1933 (Republican)
32.Franklin Delano Roosevelt(NY)/Robert M. La Follette Jr.(WI) 1933-1937 (Progressive)*
33.Robert M. La Follette Jr.(WI)/Henry Wallace(IA) 1937-1945 (Progressive)
34.Henry Wallace(IA)/Glen H. Taylor(ID) 1945-1953 (Progressive)
35.Thomas E. Dewey(NY)/Earl Warren(CA) 1953-1961 (Republican)
36.Nelson Rockefeller(NY)/Richard Nixon(CA) 1961-1965 (Republican)*
37.Richard Nixon(CA)/Margaret Chase Smith(ME) 1965-1969 (Republican)*
38.Eugene McCarthy(MN)/George McGovern(SD) 1969-1977 (Progressive)
39.Frank Church(ID)/Fred Harris(OK) 1977-1981 (Progressive)
40.Robert F. Kennedy(MA)/Llyod Bentsen(TX) 1981-1983 (Democratic)*
41.Llyod Bentsen(TX)/Morris Udall(AZ) 1983-1989 (Democratic)
42.Gary Hart(CO)/Bill Clinton(AR) 1989-1993 (Democratic)*
43.Jerry Brown(CA)/Paul Tsongas(MA) 1993-1997/Al Gore(TN) 1997-2001 (Republican)*
44.Ralph Nader(CT)/Winona LaDuke(MN) 2001-2005 (Progressive)
45.John McCain(AZ)/Sam Brownback(KS) 2005-2009 (Democratic)
46.Steven Kubby(CA)/Jesse Ventura(MN) 2009-present (Liberty)*

Notes:
2.Due to his failing health, president Hancock decides not to run for re-election. The young Thomas Pinckney is seen as the compromise candidate at election and wins. He is noted for being a pretty young president at a time when most elected officials were in their late 50's or early 60's. So was his Vice President, Alexander Hamilton, who may have been as young as 37 on the day he moved into office.
4. John Q. Adams, unlike IOTL, is a pretty solid Democratic-Republican (which disappointed his father quite a bit). In fact the only thing he has in common with the Federalist (major issue wise) is being against war with Great Britain in 1812. Thanks to some political manuevering on Adams part (including personally visiting the King and Queen at Buckingham Palace), war between the US and Great Britain was averted. However, his reputation as peace maker couldn't help him win the nomination against the very popular James Monroe.
5. James Monroe is as popular in this timeline as he was in ours, winning the election of 1816 in a huge landslide. The Era of Good Feelings is pretty much the same except that James Monroe wins re-election unamiously.
8. William Smith, the oldest man ever elected president, died only a few months in office due to heart complications. His successor, Andrew Jackson, would be well loved by the people but widely reviled by Congress.
11. Martin Van Buren finally becomes president, however he is much older and the tolls of the office drastically affect his health. He dies five years after taking office and his successor screws up his anti-slavery agenda (which sounds eerily like the Liberty Party’s platform).
14. Fremont pretty much becomes what Abraham Lincoln becomes in our time line except that: the civil war starts about 3 years early, martial law is not declared, and the draft, while still enforced, is nowhere near as excessive as IOTL. Oh and he dies from a stomach virus at the age of 51, becoming one of if not the youngest president to die in office.
15. Still gets shot.
16. Goes from Union General to Vice President to President in like a year or so time. Talk about quick advancement! The radicals don’t fare so well in this timeline though…….
17. After the out of control antics of the Radical Republicans over the past eight years, the populace decided to go with the Liberal Republicans, who promised a return to sane republicanism and to remove the military governments from the southern states. About two years after forming the party would break up since a majority of the party already were more aligned with the Liberal Republicans than the Radical Republicans.
18. When VP Andrew G. Curtin clinched the nomination for president, the Republican National Committee suprised everyone by electing Blanche Bruce, an african american senator from Mississippit, as the nominee for Vice President. When the ticket of Curtin and Bruce won, the KKK started panicking up a storm and plotted ways to dispose of the then widely reviled Vice President. When they go their chance Curtin accidently slipped and fell right into the bullet meant for Bruce. Now instead of a freedmen sympathesizer as president, the KKK and their ilk had their greatest fear come true: a free black man as US president.
22. This is where the chaos begins. For all you Bryan fans out there, Bryan becomes president and not only is he president, he’s the youngest president at the age of 36 (just one year over the requirement, booyah!). He lightens up a bit on his bimetallism issue (still goes through with it). His first VP dies of natural causes. 2nd VP is only in office for a year before Bryan gets kicked out by the Republicans, and this is where the real fun begins:
23. The compromise ticket of William McKinley and Thomas Brackett Reed is made to appease both the conservatives and progressives within the Republican party. William McKinley wins election 1900, too bad he won it a term later than he did IRL, lol. He dies just like he did IOTL, but even more chaos would ensue only a year later.
24. Thomas B. Reed, sworn into office as the 23rd president of the United States, appoints the young Governor of New York, Theodore Roosevelt, a fellow Progressive, to be Vice President. Reed would die suddenly of a heart attack on December 7, 1902. Roosevelt would be sworn in as president just five hours after.
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« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2009, 08:49:00 PM »
« Edited: June 30, 2009, 10:52:48 PM by Mechaman »

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25. The Taft faction is too strong in this timeline and Teddy is president for only two years, but considering what happened the past two presidencies, he's lucky to even be alive! People start making jokes about how many presidents and vice presidents die in office.
27. Teddy creates the Progressive Party and it becomes WAY stronger than IOTL. It will become so strong that in fact it becomes the third major party throughout the rest of the century. In fact, it will hold majorities in the house and senate for parts of the century. Because of them the Democrats don’t have another president until THE FRIGGIN 80’S! Anyway back to Teddy: Teddy still gets shot while campaigning, he survives but it affects his heart. Eventually it tears and he dies a very painful death and Hiram Johnson succeeds him as president.
32. Progressive juniors retake the white house but FDR’s polio is way worse than it was IOTL and he only survives for four years before succumbing to it again….a month before his first term in office was complete.
36. If you haven’t guessed by now the Republicans have become the moderate party of the three party political system. John Kennedy doesn’t succeed in this timeline, so sorry. Rockefeller decides not to run for another term in office because of the media revealing his affair outside of marriage, but nobody cares but the Democrats….who are still the conservative populist party of the late 1800’s but a bit less racist than IOTL since segregation was done away with under Henry Wallace’s first term in office.
37. First female Vice President. As in real life Nixon does some nasty tricks on his opponents, but they backfire during election season and the leftist ticket of Eugene McCarthy and George McGovern benefit greatly from the controversy and pull off one of the biggest electoral upsets in US history over the car salesman-like Richard Nixon and the Democrats own extremely charismatic John F. Kennedy, who at the time seemed the most likely to get into office. In a time when conservative-populist politics were having a resurgency, the Progressives winning the presidency was a huge shock. Their luck wasn't that great in the Congress, as the Progressives stayed in the minority in both houses. Alliances with both parties over paricular issues (economic issues w/Democrats, social issues w/Republicans).
38. Immediately after getting into office McCarthy and McGovern both appear before the press and declare that all US forces in Vietnam will be brought home immediately. The US pulls out of Vietnam in as little as a month and a half (Progressives and Republicans are the majority opposition with a few renegade Democrats). The fact that this administration doesn't waver on the issues they campaigned on and actually goes through with them helps McCarthy/McGovern win the 1972 election in a landslide with 48% of the vote (win every state except for Maine (R), New Hampshire (R), Kansas (R), Wyoming (R), Alabama (D), and Mississippi (D) which is incredible in this timeline where there are two other major competiting political parties to worry about).
40. Robert Kennedy becomes the dream candidate for the Democratic party and helps them reclaim the big house for America’s first party. He is a bit of a moderate for a Democrat, he favors environmental protection laws, supports affirmative action laws, and reducing the tax burden on the upper and middle classes. However he is very tough on crime and foreign policy. This is kind of a Fluke of the Gods rip-off but Kennedy pulls off a Watergate like move that screws him over big time and he becomes the very first president to be impeached. His vice president, also pretty moderate Lloyd Bentsen, becomes this universe’s Reagan.
41. Lloyd Bentsen proves to be hugely popular IOTL. He and Morris Udall (who's quite liberal for a Democrat) pull off an upset win (considered upset because he was the successor to a corrupt president Kennedy) over the Progressive ticket of former vice president Fred Harris of Oklahoma/US Representative Bill Clay of the 1st congressional district of Missouri and the Republican ticket of Senate Majority leader Joseph Biden of Delaware/former US Senator Birch Bayh of Indiana. The success of the Bentsen/Udall administration would lead to the ascension of the moderate wing of the Democratic party to party leadership and help give the ticket of Gary Hart/Bill Clinton an electoral landslide over the Republican ticket of US Senator George HW Bush of Connecticut/US House Majority Leader Dick Gephardt of Missouri with 56% of the popular vote and every state except for Maine (R) and the the District of Columbia (P).
42. Gary Hart is just as much a New Democrat in this timeline as IOTL, so is Bill Clinton, but for different reasons. In fact, Pat Buchanan criticizes both Hart and Clinton in his Culture War speech delivered on the campaign trail in 92 saying there was little difference between them and the average Republican. These guys get screwed over big time, both metaphorically and literally. Around the beginning of October 1992, a photographer reveals some nasty news about Gary Hart. The very next week someone comes in and tells about how Bill-o had his way with some staffers. Both counts end up being true and both men get slaughtered during election season. Hell, at least they helped get the Liberty candidate some votes! People jokingly call this the “party hard” administration. Major setback for the Democrats in a time when setbacks are the very last things they need…….
43. Jerry Brown and Paul Tsongas run on a civil libertarian and economic reform platform. They bring the Republican party a bit back towards the center than they were under Rockefeller and Nixon. Kind of like Clinton and Gore, but not really. Tsongas dies from liver failure just 3 days before Brown’s second inauguration. So at the very last minute Brown brings in……Al Gore, to be vice president.
44. With actual “leftists” having a voice in government through the “Progressive Party”, Ralph Nader actually has a chance and does win the election of 2000. And the headline news? “Nader Stole Florida” details how Nader took a strong Republican state and turned it Progressive.
46. The Liberty party was formed in 1992 by Edward Clark (former Libertarian Party candidate from 1980 election who got over 8,400,000 popular votes and won Alaska, Idaho, Wyoming, and Montana which arguably cost the Republicans the election), Harry Browne, and Ross Perot. Imagine a fusion between the Reform Party and the Libertarian Party and it being on steroids. The Liberty party gets into office by placing blame on unnecessary government intervention into the economy by the Nader and McCain administrations and the excessive spending on pointless wars overseas for causing the economic meltdown. Steven Kubby is the first president to take medical marijuana on a daily basis.
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« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2009, 08:50:39 PM »

Call me crazy, but I'm contemplating making a What-If scenario based off of this.
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« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2009, 04:19:25 AM »

I'm a bit late, but very impressive, Mechaman.
Thanks! I decided to go ape and make a from the very beginning list of alternate presidents. When I have a ton of free time on my hand I'll probably start making the storyline. I'm probably going to have to do it in segments though, and I'm not really adept at early US history so I'm going to have to do a ton of research on Wikipedia. I always found US history (before 1860) to be pretty boring. It took me 7 hours just to think of alternate presidents and come up with the notes.
I think I may begin with the election of 1796 with a preface of the whole presidential succession rule covered at the Continental Congress to avoid future incidents.
Pretty much the Federalist party are still total douchebags, the Democratic-Republican Party still becomes the one party state and breaks into different parties. The National Republican party gets one candidate into office, as does the Whig party. The Democratic Party is a lot more split over the slave issue than IOTL. Democrats like Martin Van Buren, Lewis Cass, and even Franklin Pierce were occasional critics of the slave system. However, men like John Fairfield, Stephen A. Douglas, Jefferson Davis, and James Buchanan (who the nickname "doughface" was widely used) helped pass through legislation that pretty much reversed the flow of the emancipation movement of the 1840's. Pretty much almost every Republican opposes the continuation of slavery with John Fremont going further and proclaiming that blacks and whites should live in peace, harmony, and freedom in the same society. After the Civil War the Democrats become the conservative populist party and the Republicans become the classically liberal party. Democrats favor policies that favor the poor white man and are for restrictive laws against the black man like IOTL. The Republicans are for full civil rights for all races, women's suffrage (gets passed way early under the tenure of Kelso Blanche), strong supporters of civil liberties, and favor a free market system (free trade, low taxes), but with some progressives forming within the ranks in concern to the growth of corporations. Early on the progressive movement isn't as strong as IRL, but throughout the 20th century it would be a great deal stronger than IOTL.
In the 20th century the Progressive Party is formed and becomes the third big party in American politics. Unlike the so called "progressive American left", this party is actually pretty left. It's as left as most European leftist parties IOTL today as a matter of fact. Leftism would be quite a bit more popular than IOTL.
During the late 20th century, two minor parties, the Libertarian Party and the Reform Party would have some noticeable electoral success. Eventually the two parties decide that they'd be most effective if joined. Thus the "Liberty Party" was formed in 1992, members of the Liberty Party are simply called "Libertarians". This party would become the moderate libertarian party.
Small overview.
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« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2009, 03:11:08 PM »

The Three Party system 1913-2009, this is kind of like 1913-2009 in my massive list, but a little different.

Theodore Roosevelt (NY)/Hiram Johnson (CA) (Progressive) (1913-1919)*
Hiram Johnson (CA)/Robert M. La Follette Sr. (WI) (Progressive) (1919-1925)
Calvin Coolidge (MA)/Frank Lowden (IA) (Republican) (1925-1929)
Herbert Hoover (IA)/Charles Curtis (KS) (Republican) (1929-1933)
Franklin Delano Roosevelt (NY)/Robert M. La Follette Jr. (WI) (Progressive) (1933-1937)*
Robert M. LaFollette Jr. (WI)/Henry Wallace (IA) (Progressive) (1937-1945)
Thomas Dewey (NY)/Harold Stassen (MN) (Republican) (1945-1953)
Robert S. Kerr (OK)/Estes Keyfauver(TN) (Democratic) (1953-1961)
Nelson Rockefeller (NY)/Richard Nixon (CA) (Republican) (1961-1965)*
John F. Kennedy (MA)/Daniel Brewster (MD) (Democratic) (1965-1967)*
Daniel Brewster (MD)/Hubert Humphrey (MN) (Democratic) (1967-1969)*
Eugene McCarthy (MN)/George McGovern (SD) (Progressive) (1969-1977)
Frank Church (ID)/Fred Harris (OK) (Progressive) (1977-1981)
Robert F. Kennedy (MA)/Lloyd Bentsen (TX) (Democratic) (1981-1983)*
Lloyd Bentsen (TX)/Howard Baker (TN) (Democratic) (1983-1989)
Howard Baker (TN)/Gary Hart (CO) (Democratic) (1989-1993)*
Paul Tsongas (MA)/Al Gore (TN) (Republican) (1993-1997)*
Al Gore (TN)/Bill Clinton (CA) (Republican) (1997-2005)*
Howard Dean (VT)/Russ Feingold (WI) (Progressive) (2005-2009)
Hillary Rodham Rubin (NY)/Bill Richardson (NM) (Democratic) (2009-present)*

Notes:
1. Teddy dies of heart complications
2. FDR's polio is much more severe than IOTL and he dies 3 days before being sworn in for his second term. Robert M. LaFollette Jr. is sworn in 5 hours later and shows up on inauguration day where there is a confused air about the place.
3. Like IOTL Rockefeller's affair with Happy is made public and that destroys his popularity. To save face and help Nixon's own presidential aspirations he announces he won't be seeking re-election. It wouldn't be enough though, as the very charismatic Democrat nominee John F. Kennedy would win election.
4. JFK gets assasinated during a parade on October 21st, 1967 in downtown Baltimore. A PI that was gathering info on JFK's hidden affairs and mafia dealings decides not to come out with the information out of respect for JFK's passing. Vice President Daniel Brewster is sworn in as president.
5. The revelation of Brewster getting bribes a week before election destroys his approval rating and he suffers a huge electoral defeat which results in the underdog Progressive ticket of McCarthy/McGovern to take the White House.
6. Robert F. Kennedy (pretty moderate for a Democrat, like his brother) benefits greatly from the legacy of his brother and the economic downturn of 1980 to regain the White House for the Democrats. A Watergate like scandal that occurs only 8 months into office would result in his impeachment by the US Congress in 1983 whereby his vice president, also moderate Lloyd Bentsen, becomes president. Bentsen would become the Ronald Reagan equivalent ITTL.
7. In January of 1992, the affair between Gary Hart and Donna Rice is revealed to the public. Being the conservative leaning party, this isn't a good breakthrough for the GOP. Public disapporval of the event goes against Howard Baker's re-election campaign and helps the ticket of Paul Tsongas/Al Gore take the White House for the Republicans for the first time in 28 years.
8. Tsongas dies of a liver failure just 3 days before Inauguration. Al Gore is sworn as president and Congress approves of the selection of California Governor Bill Clinton as Vice President. Clinton moved from Arkansas to California in the mid 70's to find legal work before becoming a US Representative (1978-1982), a US Senator (1982-1990) before becoming Governor (1990-1997). His lieutenant governor Gray Davis would succeed him as governor. His selection was very controversial due to his common law relationship with the significantly younger model Elaine Irwin (22 years his junior). On May 4th, 2001 Clinton and Irwin would finally tie the knot with Clinton’s son Steven (born 1968) as the best man and English supermodel Kate Moss as the maid of honor.
9. Hillary Rodham Rubin, the wife of former Secretary of Treasury Robert Rubin (1995-2001), becomes the first woman elected president. Her vice president, Bill Richardson, would become the first Hispanic vice president.
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« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2009, 07:45:27 AM »

The Three Party system 1913-2009, this is kind of like 1913-2009 in my massive list, but a little different.

Theodore Roosevelt (NY)/Hiram Johnson (CA) (Progressive) (1913-1919)*
Hiram Johnson (CA)/Robert M. La Follette Sr. (WI) (Progressive) (1919-1925)
Calvin Coolidge (MA)/Frank Lowden (IA) (Republican) (1925-1929)
Herbert Hoover (IA)/Charles Curtis (KS) (Republican) (1929-1933)
Franklin Delano Roosevelt (NY)/Robert M. La Follette Jr. (WI) (Progressive) (1933-1937)*
Robert M. LaFollette Jr. (WI)/Henry Wallace (IA) (Progressive) (1937-1945)
Thomas Dewey (NY)/Harold Stassen (MN) (Republican) (1945-1953)
Robert S. Kerr (OK)/Estes Keyfauver(TN) (Democratic) (1953-1961)
Nelson Rockefeller (NY)/Richard Nixon (CA) (Republican) (1961-1965)*
John F. Kennedy (MA)/Daniel Brewster (MD) (Democratic) (1965-1967)*
Daniel Brewster (MD)/Hubert Humphrey (MN) (Democratic) (1967-1969)*
Eugene McCarthy (MN)/George McGovern (SD) (Progressive) (1969-1977)
Frank Church (ID)/Fred Harris (OK) (Progressive) (1977-1981)
Robert F. Kennedy (MA)/Lloyd Bentsen (TX) (Democratic) (1981-1983)*
Lloyd Bentsen (TX)/Howard Baker (TN) (Democratic) (1983-1989)
Howard Baker (TN)/Gary Hart (CO) (Democratic) (1989-1993)*
Paul Tsongas (MA)/Al Gore (TN) (Republican) (1993-1997)*
Al Gore (TN)/Bill Clinton (CA) (Republican) (1997-2005)*
Howard Dean (VT)/Russ Feingold (WI) (Progressive) (2005-2009)
Hillary Rodham Rubin (NY)/Bill Richardson (NM) (Democratic) (2009-present)*


Great list ! Smiley

Thanks. I seem to be pretty good at making these Smiley. I've always been intrigued by the possibility of a strong Progressive Party. I think American politics would've been alot more interesting if it actually had a legit leftist party, although I don't describe myself as one. I think a party that is legitly left would've challenged the other two more so than individual progressives in each party did.
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« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2009, 04:11:12 AM »
« Edited: July 20, 2009, 04:12:55 AM by Mechman »

Another what-if list based on the Rise of the Progressives:
I felt like being a mindless hack today, lol

A dominate libertarian Republican party
Theodore Roosevelt (NY)/Robert M. LaFollette Sr. (WI) (Progressive) 1913-1919*
Robert M. LaFollette Sr. (WI)/Hiram Johnson (CA) (Progressive) 1919-1921
Warren G. Harding (OH)/Frank O. Lowden (IA) (Republican) 1921-1923*
Frank O. Lowden (IA)/Calvin Coolidge (MA) (Republican) 1923-1929
Calvin Coolidge (MA)/James Wolcott Wadsworth (NY) (Republican) 1929-1937
Robert Taft (OH)/Alfred Landon (KS) (Republican) 1937-1945
Franklin Delano Roosevelt (NY)/Robert M. LaFollette Jr. (WI) (Progressive) 1945
Robert M. LaFollette Jr. (WI)/Henry Wallace (IA) (Progressive) 1945-1949
Harry Truman (MO)/Thomas Dewey (NY) (Republican) 1949-1950*
Thomas Dewey (NY)/Harold Stassen (MN) (Republican) 1950-1957
Lyndon Baines Johnson (TX)/John F. Kennedy (MA) (Democrat) 1957-1963*
John F. Kennedy (MA)/Daniel Brewster (MD) (Democrat) 1963-1969
Ronald Reagan (CA)/ William Scranton (PA) (Republican) 1969-1977
Fred Harris (OK)/Birch Bayh (IN) (Progressive) 1977-1981
Ted Kennedy (MA)/Lloyd Bentsen (TX) (Democrat) 1981*
Lloyd Bentsen (TX)/Gary Hart (CO) (Democrat) 1981-1985
Jerry Brown (CA)/Paul Tsongas (MA) (Republican) 1985-1993
Paul Tsongas (MA)/Mary Ruwart (TX) (Republican) 1993-1997*
Mary Ruwart (TX)/Steven Kubby (CA) (Republican) 1997-2005
Steven Kubby (CA)/Wayne Allyn Root (NV) (Republican) 2005-present

*Death in office.
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« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2009, 02:07:23 AM »

Here's another complete list of alternate presidents. It's a bit different than my other:
Federalist dominance leads to extreme craziness timeline

1.George Washington (VA) (No Party)/John Adams (MA) (Federalist) 1789-1797
2.John Adams (MA)/Thomas Pinckney (SC) (Federalist) 1797-1805
3.Thomas Pinckney (SC)/Rufus King (NY) (Federalist) 1805-1813
4.John Quincy Adams (MA)/DeWitt Clinton (NY) (Federalist) 1813-1829*
5.Henry Clay (KY)/John C. Calhoun (SC) (Federalist) 1829-1833
6.King George Washington Adams (MA) (American Monarch) 1833-1865*
7.Revolutionary Council (Alliance of the Revolution) 1865-1869*
8.John C. Fremont (CA)/Ulysses S. Grant (OH) (Alliance of the Revolution) 1869-1872*
9.Ulysses S. Grant (OH)/Henry Wilson (MA) (Revolutionary) 1872-1877
10.Benjamin Gratz Brown (MO)/Andrew Curtin (PA) (Liberal) 1877-1885*
11.Blanche Kelso Bruce (MS)/James Baird Weaver (IA) (People's Party) 1885-1890*
12.James Baird Weaver (IA)/James Gaven Field (VA) (People's Party) 1890-1893
13.Charles Horatio Matchett (MA)/Matthew Maguire (NJ) (Social Democratic) 1893-1897
14.Grover Cleveland (OH)/John G. Carlisle (KY) (Liberal) 1897-1901
15.Eugene V. Debbs (IN)/Theodore Roosevelt (NY) (Social Democratic) 1901*
16.Theodore Roosevelt (NY)/Job Harriman (CA) (Social Democratic) 1901-1909
17.Robert M. LaFollette Sr. (WI)/Hiram Johnson (CA) (Social Democratic) 1909-1917
18.Hiram Johnson (CA)/Allan Louis Benson (NY) (Social Democratic) 1917-1921
19.Calvin Coolidge (MA)/Frank O. Lowden (IA) (Liberal) 1921-1929
20.Herbert Hoover (IA)/Charles Curtis (KS) (Liberal) 1929-1933
21.Franklin Delano Roosevelt (NY)/Robert M. LaFollette Jr. (WI) (Socialist) 1933-1937*
22.Robert M. LaFollette Jr. (WI)/Henry Wallace (IA) (Socialist) 1937-1945
23.Henry Wallace (IA)/Glen H. Taylor (ID) (Communist Party of America) 1945-1953*
24.Joseph McCarthy (WI) (1953-1976)/VPs: Harold Stassen (MN) 1953-1961/Richard Nixon (CA) 1961-1967/James A. Rhodes (OH) 1967-1972/Nelson Rockefeller (NY) 1972-1976 (Communist Party of America)*
25.Nelson Rockefeller (NY)/Henry M. Jackson (WA) (Communist Party of America) 1976-1978*
26.Council to Restore America 1978-1981*
27.Fred Harris (OK)/Ted Kennedy (MA) (Progressive Democrat) 1981-1989*
28.Ted Kennedy (MA)/Jerry Brown (CA) (Progressive Democrat) 1989-1993
29.Al Gore (TN)/Bill Clinton (AR) (Liberal Republican) 1993-2001*
30.Pat Buchanan (VA)/George W. Bush (TX) (American Nationalist Party) 2001-2005*
31.Howard Dean (VT)/Russ Feingold (WI) (Progressive Democrat) 2005-2009
32.Mary Ruwart (TX)/Steven Kubby (CA) (Liberal Republican) 2009-present*

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4.With the Democratic Republican party destroyed in 1819, the Federalists hold complete dominance over the American government. This allows John Quincy Adams to stay in office for 16 years (4 terms) with no strong challenge. He doesn't go up for re-election in 1828 due to health problems.

6.After Congress passes the American Monarch Act, the offices of president and vice president are abolished and replaced by the position "King". America is now an oligarchy ruled by the interests of the Federalist elite. The King George Washington Adams would reign for 32 years that would forever alter the course of American history. America during this stage was called "The American Empire".

7.After years of being abused by the higher power of the oligarchy, the people of America answer the cries of revolution from the The American People's Revolutionary Brigade, a leftist revolutionary group that based most of their ideology off that of the French Revolution before them. In 1861, the nation would explode into a state of constant civil war between Monarchist and Revolutionary forces. On April 21st, 1865, King George Washington Adams, the first and only monarch of the American Empire (which would be renamed "The United People's Republic of America") would be executed along with his family for crimes against the people of America. For four years after the Revolutionary Council would reside over the nation until all legislative, judicial, and executive positions were refilled. Also, slavery was abolished in every piece of land in America and minorities and women were granted social equality with white men. Leftists around the world would call this "A true triumph for the common man over the forces of Imperialism and Oligarchy."

8.John C. Fremont, who many consider the "Father of the Revolution", would become the first president of the United People's Republic of America. However, he wouldn't live through his term, instead ending up assasinated by John Wilkes Booth, an anti leftist, on April 15th, 1872. His vice president, former Revolutionary Brigade general Ulysses S. Grant would ascend to the presidency.

10.The Liberal party is the classically liberal party that traces it's lineage back to the Democratic-Republican party of Jefferson.

11.The People's Party is the leftist party that sprung up after the Revolutionary Party was disbanded in the late 1870s. It's closest in ideology to the Greenback Party IOTL.

13.The Social Democratic Party is a Democratic Socialist party.

15.Eugene V. Debbs has the same fate as William McKinley does IOTL. Theodore Roosevelt assumes the role of a non-interventionist in ITTL and is a great deal more left.

21.After the Great Depression occurs under the watch of the progressive Liberal president Herbert Hoover, the citizens vote in the Socialist ticket of Franklin Roosevelt/Robert M. LaFollette into office by a landslide. FDR would live until a week before his second inauguration before passing away due to complications brought on by polio.

23.In 1945, Henry Wallace merges the Socialist and Communist Parties together and creates the "Communist Party of America", other wise known as CPA. America had now become the second world power to become a communist nation. Little did Henry Wallace know how drastic this transformation would effect the future of America.

24.Joseph McCarthy is elected in 1953 to the office of president. Almost immediately he starts consolidating power to the Executive Branch and grants himself powers to put down dissent to "keep peace" in America. He orders police actions against those who are found harboring "anti-American pro-captialist tendencies or British sympathies". By 1957, every party is disbanded except the Communist Party of America. By 1960 millions of Americans would be thrown into large work camps in the deserts of Arizona and southern California or the barren wastes of the Alaska wilderness with little nourishment. Many would die from the harsh conditions. His first Vice President Harold Stassen would resign out of disgust at his policies before being deemed "an enemy of the state" and executed. Second VP Richard Nixon would be found out conspiring to overthrow McCarthy and would also be summarily executed. Throughout the 60s and 70s Communist American forces would spread throughout the Americas converting much of the Western hemisphere by sheer force to American Communism. With Soviet Russia, Maoist China, and Communist America, it seemed like Karl Marx's dream of a world under Communism was inevitable. Third VP James A. Rhodes was a close follower of McCarthyism (which was pretty close to Stalinism) and pretty loyal to McCarthy. He was responsible for granting the National Guard authority to put down any and all protests by American citizens against government actions in South America. Through fear McCarthy wins re-elections by at least 92%. Rhodes would be assasinated by a rebel from the Liberty Resistance while visiting Mexico in November of 1972. He would be replaced by fourth VP Nelson Rockefeller who had an immense hunger for power. Many speculate that Rockefeller may have poisoned McCarthy so he could grab power himself. All told, Joseph McCarthy during his 23 year reign of hell would be responsible for the death of 80 million innocent people in the Western hemisphere, at least 30 million of which would be his own people. Just like another Joseph, he would forever be associated with the words "evil" and "genocide".

25.Rockefeller was nowhere near the tyrant of his predescessor, but he still had no qualms about using force to achieve his goals. Under his reign the Liberty Resistance exploded and pretty soon were liberating South American countries left and right with the popular support of the people of the nations. By January 1978, the Liberty Resistance had liberated much of the American West and Canada and advancing rapidly on the East and West Coasts. On November 12th, 1978, the government of the United People's Republic of America was overthrown. A new dawn of freedom and liberty for humanity had begun. The forces of tyranny would die once and for all.

26.Between the overthrow of the government and the rebooting of the branches of government, the nation was organized by an interim government ran by the Council to restore America.
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Notes cont.:

27.Fred Harris, one of the founders of the Liberty Resistance is elected the first president of the re-established United States of America on the Progressive Democratic ticket with fellow revolutionary leader Ted Kennedy as vice president. Harris would survive an attempt on his life shortly after taking office by a former CPA military officer. He would break all ties to the Soviet Union and would get the US to join NATO to oppose further Soviet aggression. The Progressive Democratic Party is similar to the Democratic Party IOTL, but a bit more civil libertarian.

29.Al Gore becomes the first president in the Liberal Republican Party. His vice president is former Arkansas Governor and former revolutionary guerilla captain Bill Clinton. The Liberal Republican Party is the descendant to the Liberal Party which died off during the 1950s. It's pretty close in ideology to the Libertarian Party IOTL.

30.The American Nationalist Party is exactly how it sounds: A right wing party that is pretty damn protectionist and borderline racist. They win a narrow victory over the Progressives and Republicans off a campaign of protecting American jobs and by energizing the new social conservative base.

32.Mary Ruwart becomes the first woman president. Her vice president Steven Kubby would become the first vice president to survive off of daily marijuana use.
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« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2009, 10:55:14 AM »

Wow, I think I just found my next what if scenario......
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« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2009, 04:32:58 PM »

29) Calvin Coolidge (R-MA) / Harry Stewart New (R-IN) : 1921-1929
30) Harry New (R-IN) / Herbert Hoover (R-ND) : 1929-1931 *
31) Herbert Hoover (R-ND) / Charles Curtis (R-KS) : 1931-1933

32) Franklin Roosevelt (D-NY) / Henry Wallace (D-IA) : 1933-1942 * WW2 Starts 1942
33) Henry Wallace (D-IA) / Harry Truman (D-MO) : 1942-1945

34) Arthur Vandenburg (R-MI) / Dwight Eisenhower (R-PA) : 1945-1953 (WW2 Ends 1947)
35) Thomas Dewey (D-NY) / Robert Kerr (D-OK) : 1953-1957
36) Dwight Eisenhower (R-PA) / Dick Nixon (R-CA) : 1957-1965
37) John F. Kennedy (D-MA) / Scoop Jackson (D-WA)  : 1965-1973
38) Scoop Jackson (D-WA) / Robert Kennedy (D-NY) : 1973-1981
39) Ronald Reagan (R-CA) / Jack Kemp (R-NY) : 1981-1989
40) Jack Kemp (R-NY) / Bob Dole (R-KS) : 1989-1997
41) Bill Clinton (D-AR) / Bob Graham (D-FL) : 1997-2005
42) Al Gore (D-TN) / Zell Miller (D-GA) : 2005-2009
43) Tom Coburn (R-OK) / Kay Hutchinson (R-TX) : 2009-Current


My dream List!

My god man, you really are crazy!!!!!
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« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2009, 02:43:12 AM »

The Legacy of Roosevelt:

Theodore Roosevelt (NY)/Hiram Johnson (CA) (Progressive) 1913-1919*
Hiram Johnson (CA)/Robert M. LaFollette Sr. (WI) (Progressive) 1919-1925

Calvin Coolidge (MA)/Frank O Lowden (IA) (Republican) 1925-1933
Al Smith (NY)/Albert Ritchie (MD) (Democrat) 1933-1937
Franklin Delano Roosevelt (NY)/Robert M. LaFollette Jr. (WI) (Progressive) 1937-1945*
Robert M. LaFollette Jr. (WI)/Glen H. Taylor (ID) (Progressive) 1945-1953

Thomas E. Dewey (NY)/Harold Stassen (MN) (Republican) 1953-1957
Lyndon Baines Johnson (TX)/Ronald Reagan (CA) (Democrat) 1957-1963*
Ronald Reagan (CA)/John F. Kennedy (MA) (Democrat) 1963-1969

Eugene McCarthy (MN)/Theodore Roosevelt III (PA) (Progressive) 1969-1972*
Theodore Roosevelt III (PA)/Fred Harris (OK) (Progressive) 1972-1981

Edward M. Kennedy (MA)/Lloyd Bentsen (TX) (Democrat) 1981*
Lloyd Bentsen (TX)/Gary Hart (CO) (Democrat) 1981-1989
Gary Hart (CO)/Al Gore (TN) (Democrat) 1989-1993

Paul Tsongas (MA)/Douglas Wilder (VA) (Republican) 1993-1997*
Douglas Wilder (VA)/Bill Clinton (AR) (Republican) 1997-2005*

Maria Cantwell (WA)/Russ Feingold (WI) (Progressive) 2005-2009*
Steven Kubby (CA)/Mark Warner (VA) (Republican) 2009-2011*
Mark Warner (VA)/Mary Ruwart (TX) (Republican) 2011-2017

William H. McGovern (SD)/Kermit Roosevelt III (PA) (Progressive) 2017-present

Notes:
1. Died from health complications January 6, 1919
2. Died from complications brought on by polio on April 12, 1945
3. Assasinated in Dallas parade by John Oswald Jr. on November 22, 1963
4. Assasinated by Arthur Bremer while campaigning in Laurel, Maryland on May 15, 1972
5. Assasinated by John Hinckley Jr. after a speaking engagement in Washington DC March 30, 1981.
6. Dies from liver failure January 18, 1997, just two days before inauguration for second term.
7. First non-white president.
8. First female president.
9. First president to use medical marijuana on a daily basis to combat cancer. Cancer would finally win on a cold bleak day on February 14th, 2011 (the saddest Valentine's Day, as one reporter would call it).
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« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2009, 06:25:20 PM »

38. Walter E. Fauntroy (R-DC): June 2nd 1973-January 20th 1977***

Fauntroy is a Republican??

Well, as you can see from my list Kal, that the GOP remains the Progressive Party of Lincoln, Roosevelt, and Dewey/Warren(Van Buren, Root, Curtis, and the La Follettes ITTL)That would be the party of and that their base of support still lies in the Northeast, Pacific West, and the Midwest. The South remains solid ITTL, but still have White Working Class and Ethnic Voters such as Massachusetts and New York plus a somewhat hold on the Industrial states.

The nation ITTL, has been trending Center to Right after the three term Presidency of the Conservative Robert Byrd.  Imagine Kennedy and Cuomo being like modern day Burbon Democrats, while the GOP are those darned "Tax and Spend" Republicans lol.

Kind of like "By a Fluke of the Gods" if you will.
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« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2009, 08:28:04 PM »


I felt like someone needed to be assassinated...I couldn't think of a good reason though.

It was an outraged homophobic far right winger after finding out that Charlie Crist and Rick Perry are really gay lovers.
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« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2009, 03:04:17 AM »

Another Three Party List!

Robert M. LaFollette Sr. (WI)/Hiram Johnson (CA) (Progressive) 1913-1921
Frank O. Lowden (IA)/Charlie Curtis (KS) (Republican) 1921-1923*
Charlie Curtis (KS) 1923-1925/James W. Taylor (TN) (Republican) 1923-1929

William P. A. Rogers (OK)/Joseph P. Kennedy Sr. (MA) (Democratic) 1929-1933
Burton K. Wheeler (MT)/Robert M. LaFollette Jr. (WI) (Progressive) 1933-1941
Robert M. LaFollette Jr. (WI)/Harold Hagen (MN) (Progressive) 1941-1949

Douglas MacArthur (AR)/Harold Stassen (MN) (Republican) 1949-1957
Albert Gore Sr. (TN)/Robert F. Wagner (NY) (Democratic) 1957-1963*
Robert F. Wagner (NY)/George A. Smathers (FL) (Democratic) 1963-1969

Pat Brown (CA)/Edward W. Brooke (MA) (Republican) 1969-1972*
Edward W. Brooke (MA)/John Chafee (RI) (Republican) 1972-1977

Fred Harris (OK)/Mike Gravel (AK) (Progressive) 1977-1981
Edward M. Kennedy (MA)/Robert William Barker (WA) (Democratic) 1981*
Robert William Barker (WA)/Gary Hart (CO) (Democratic) 1981-1989
Gary Hart (CO)/Al Gore (TN) (Democratic) 1989-1993

Paul Tsongas (MA)/Clint Eastwood (CA) (Republican) 1993-1997*
Clint Eastwood (CA)/William Clinton (AR) (Republican) 1997-2005

Russ Feingold (WI)/Maria Cantwell (WA) (Progressive) 2005-2009
William M. Hicks (AR)/David S. Mustaine (CA) (Republican) 2009-present

Notes:
1. Lowden dies from stroke. Many speculate he might've been poisoned.
2. Gore Sr. gets assasinated by Lee Harvey Oswald while in Dallas.
3. Pat Brown gets downed by Arthur Bremer.
4. Ted Kennedy gets pwnd by John Hinckley Jr. Vice President Robert Barker takes over.
5. Paul Tsongas dies from liver failure two days before inauguration. His Vice President, Clint Eastwood, would become president.
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« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2009, 07:47:50 PM »

The Great Depression and the End of Freedom:

William H. Murray (OK) (Democrat) 1933-1941
Harry F. Byrd Sr (VA) (Democrat) 1941-1951*
Richard Russell (GA) (Democrat) 1951-1953

Joseph McCarthy (WI) (Republican) 1953-1961
Strom Thurmond (SC) (Democratic) 1961-1963*
Harry Byrd Jr. (VA) (Democratic) 1963-1969
George Wallace (AL) (Democratic) 1969-1972*
George Smathers (FL) (Democratic) 1972-1973

Barry Goldwater (AZ) (Republican) 1973-1975*
John Ashbrook (OH) (Republican) 1975-1977

Jesse Helms (NC) (Democratic) 1977-1980 (United America Party) 1980-1981*
John Schmitz (CA) (United America Party) 1981-1989
Jerry Falwell (VA) (United America Party) 1989-1994*
Pat Buchanan (VA) (United America Party) 1994-2005*
James Inhofe (OK) (United America Party) 2005-Present


*Assasination

In 1929 the Great Depression occured, causing millions and millions of people to lose their homes. Many had lost all hope, having no one to turn to. As a result many turned against each other, they blamed their fellow man for the hell that wrought them. Which is why in 1933 Oklahoma Governor William Murray beat the liberal Franklin Delano Roosevelt for the Democratic nomination for president. One of Murray's first acts as president was to further and further segregate the federal government, a process begun under President Woodrow Wilson arguing that it was the "negro effect" that had caused the Great Depression. As the Depression worsens he raises racial fears among the white majority against the minorities, arguing that it should be on the white man's terms that they should live in this land. Thus began the death of freedom and sanity in America. As the years went by more and more tyrannical laws were passed by Congress limiting freedom of expression and the right to vote. The Democratic Party had become the party of super racist bigot segregationists and the Republican Party had become the party of super power hungry corporate militarists obsessed with the idea of American Empire. Not a freedom lover was to be found among the two party oligarchy of America. But the people were not blind to this climate of evil, as throughout the age many attempted assasination attempts against the would be dictators, it should be noted that in the last half of the 20th century more presidents were assasinated than all of the previous eras combined.
However, freedom it seemed was forever doomed as in 1980 the two party system dissolved itself into one party as the Democrats and Republicans united into the United America Party in their mission to "Unite the White American Race in it's mission to establish a powerful empire like none other on this earth". At first they began with the children, establishing a National Youth Corps, and then things went to sh*t. First they deported all the minorities to secluded parts of the country, specifically in the Mountain West. Later on as they gained more and more control they started throwing people into "internment camps" to make room for White American settlements in the region, and then lastly there was extermination!
Now here we are in 2009, 80 full years since the Great Depression only to find that we are indeed still in a Great Depression of freedom!
Take up arms my brothers and sisters and let us usher in a new era!!!!!!
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« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2009, 04:47:36 PM »
« Edited: November 13, 2009, 05:50:01 PM by Mechaman »

Reagan Assasination!:

40. Ronald Reagan (Republican-CA) January 20th, 1981-March 31st, 1981
41. George HW Bush (Republican-TX) March 31st, 1981-January 20th, 1989
42. Gary Hart (Democratic-CO) January 20th, 1989-January 20th, 1993
43. Jack Kemp (Republican-NY) January 20th, 1993-January 20th, 2001
44. Thomas Daschle (Democratic-SD) January 20th, 2001-January 20th, 2009
45. Charlie Crist (Republican-FL) January 20th, 2009-present
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« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2009, 04:45:01 AM »

Another completely alternate presidents list from Mechaman:

1. John Hancock (MA) (No Party)/Samuel Huntington (CT) (Federalist) 1789-1793
2. Samuel Huntington (CT)/Benjamin Lincoln (MA) (Federalist) 1793-1796*
3. Benjamin Lincoln (MA) (Federalist) 1796-1797

4. Thomas Jefferson (VA) (Democratic-Republican)/Thomas Pinckney (SC) (Federalist) 1797-1801/Aaron Burr (NY) (Democratic-Republican) 1801-1805
5. Aaron Burr (NY)/John Breckinridge (KY) (Democratic-Republican) 1805*
6. John Breckenridge (KY) (Democratic-Republican) 1805-1806*
7. Samuel Smith (MD) (Democratic-Republican) 1806-1809*
8. George Clinton (NY)/James Monroe (VA) (Democratic-Republican) 1809-1812*
9. James Monroe (VA) 1812-1813/John Quincy Adams (MA) (Democratic-Republican) 1813-1821
10. John Quincy Adams (MA)/Andrew Jackson (TN) (Democratic-Republican) 1821-1825
11. Nathaniel Macon (NC)/Nathan Sanford (NY) (Democratic-Republican) 1825-1828
(Democratic) 1828-1829
12. Henry Clay (KY)/Richard Rush (PA) (National Republican) 1829-1833
13. William Wirt (MD)/Amos Ellmaker (PA) (Anti-Masonic) 1833-1837
14. John C. Calhoun (SC)/John Floyd (VA) (Nullifier) 1837-1841
15. William Henry Harrison (OH)/Daniel Webster (MA) (Whig) 1841*
16. Daniel Webster (MA) (Whig) 1841-1845

17. John Fairfield (ME)/Lewis Cass (MI) (Democratic) 1845-1847*
18. Lewis Cass (MI) 1847-1849 (Democratic) 1847-1849

19. Martin Van Buren (NY)/Charles F. Adams Sr. (MA) (Free Soil) 1849-1857
20. Milliard Fillmore (NY)/Andrew J. Donelson (TN) (Know Nothing Party) 1857-1861
21. Samuel Houston (TX)/John Bell (TN) (Constitutional Union) 1861-1863*
22. John Bell (TN) (Constitutional Union) 1863-1865

23. John C. Fremont (CA)/Schuyler Colfax (IN) (Republican) 1865-1873
24. Benjamin B. Gratz (MO)/Jacob D. Cox (OH) (Liberal Republican) 1873-1877
25. Samuel J. Tilden (NY)/Thomas A. Hendricks (IN) (Democratic) 1877-1885
26. Chester A. Arthur (VT)/John A. Logan (IL) (Republican) 1885-1886*
27. John A. Logan (IL) (Republican) 1886*

28. James G. Blaine (ME) (Republican) 1886-1889
29. Grover Cleveland (NY)/Adlai E. Stevenson I (IL) (Democratic) 1889-1893
30. James Weaver (IA)/James Gaven Field (VA) (Populist) 1893-1897
31. John McAuley Palmer (IL)/William Vilas (WI) (National Democratic) 1897-1900
32. William Vilas (WI) 1900-1901/Alton B. Parker (NY) (National Democratic) 1901-1908
33. Alton B. Parker (NY) 1908-1909/George Turner (WA) (National Democratic) 1909-1913

34. Eugene V. Debs (IN)/Emil Seidel (WI) (Socialist) 1913-1921
35. Robert M. LaFollette Sr. (WI)/Hiram Johnson (CA) (Progressive) 1921-1925
36. William E. Borah (ID)/Franklin D. Roosevelt (NY) (Progressive) 1925-1929
37. Franklin D. Roosevelt (NY)/Burton K. Wheeler (MT) (Progressive) 1929-1933

38. Norman Thomas (NY)/Robert M. LaFollette Jr. (WI) (Socialist) 1933-1941
39. Robert M. LaFollette Jr. (WI)/Henrik Shipstead (MN) (Socialist) 1941-1949

40. Earl Warren (CA)/Harold Stassen (MN) (Progressive Republican) 1949-1950*
41. Harold Stassen (MN) 1950-1953/Henry Cabot Lodge (MA) (Progressive Republican) 1953-1957

42. George Aiken (VT)/Nelson Rockefeller (NY) (Progressive Republican) 1957-1961
43. Mike Mansfield (MT)/Stewart Udall (AZ) (Social Democratic) 1961-1963*
44. Stewart Udall (AZ) 1963-1965/Eugene McCarthy (MN) (Social Democratic) 1965-1969
45. George Romney (MI)/Edward M. Brooke (MA) (Progressive Republican) 1969-1972*
46. Edward M. Brooke (MA) 1972-1973/John Chafee (RI) (Progressive Republican) 1973-1977

47. Frank Church (ID)/Fred Harris (OK) (Social Democratic) 1977-1981
48. Ed Clark (CA)/Ray Hutchison (TX) (Liberal Democratic) 1981*
49. Ray Hutchison (TX)/Gary Hart (CO) (Liberal Democratic) 1981-1989
50. Gary Hart (CO)/William J. Clinton (AR) (Liberal Democratic) 1989-1993

51. Patrick Buchanan (VA)/Danforth Quayle (IN) (Nationalist) 1993-1997
52. Jerry Brown (CA)/Steve Forbes (NJ) (Liberal Democratic) 1997-2001
53. Howard Dean (VT)/Russ Feingold (WI) (Social Democratic) 2001-2005
54. John McCain (AZ)/Lincoln Chafee (RI) (Progessive Republican) 2005-2009
55. Steven Kubby (CA)/Mary Ruwart (TX) (Liberal Democratic) 2009-present

* will be explained later when I has more sleep and am not gettin with the ladies (believe me, I'm going to be VERY busy), so expect explanations on say Sunday night.
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« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2009, 06:02:54 PM »


Yes, thanks for revealing presidential list before you really started your TL Tongue

How do you think I get most of my What-If ideas?
Staring at a wall? Sniffing glue?
No, it usually starts out with a list of alternate presidents.
Usually that's how I get the idea for the story, however the presidents (once I start writing the actual timeline) are subject to change.
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« Reply #19 on: December 02, 2009, 04:47:58 PM »


Bundy on the brains Kalwejt?
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« Reply #20 on: December 12, 2009, 03:00:08 AM »

That's a way American should've been since 1932 (Republican hackish version)

31st: Herbert C. Hoover (R-CA), 1929-1937
32nd: Alfred M. Landon (R-KS), 1937-1945
33rd: Thomas E. Dewey (R-NY), 1945-1953
34th: Dwight D. Eisenhower (R-NY), 1953-1961
35th: Richard M. Nixon (R-CA), 1961-1969
36th: Henry C. Lodge (R-MA), 1969-1977
37th: Ronald W. Reagan (R-CA), 1977-1985
38th: George H. W. Bush (R-TX), 1985-1993
40th: Robert J. Dole (R-KS), 1993-2001
41st: George W. Bush (R-TX), 2001-2009
42nd: Richard B. Cheney (R-WY), 2009-

That's a way American should've been since 1932 (Democratic haskish version)

32nd: Franklin D. Roosevelt (D-NY), 1933-1945
33rd: Harry S. Truman (D-MO), 1945-1953
34th: Adlai E. Stevenson (D-IL), 1953-1961
35th: John F. Kennedy (D-MA), 1961-1969
36th: Hubert H. Humphrey (D-MN), 1969-1977
37th: James E. Carter (D-GA), 1977-1985)
38th: Walter F. Mondale (D-MN), 1985-1993
39th: William J. Clinton (D-AR), 1993-2001
40st: Albert A. Gore (D-TN), 2001-2009
41st: Barack H. Obama (D-IL), 2009-

No no no! Your centrist bias is so obvious! Here's what America should've been since 1932!!!!!!

I'm gonna be a Republican Hack!:

31st: Herbert Hoover (R-IA) 1929-1937
32nd: Arthur Vandenberg (R-MI) 1937-1945
33rd: Robert Taft (R-OH) 1945-1953
34th: Joseph McCarthy (R-WI) 1953-1969
35th: Ronald Reagan (R-CA) 1969-1993
36th: Danforth Quayle (R-IN) 1993-2001
37th: George W. Bush (R-TX) 2001-present


Now it's time for me to be a godless Democratic Hack!:

32nd: Franklin D. Roosevelt (D-NY) 1932-1945
33rd: Harry Truman (D-MO) 1945-1953
34th: James Roosevelt (D-CA) 1953-1961
35th: John F. Kennedy (D-MA) 1961-1969
36th: Robert F. Kennedy (D-NY) 1969-1981
37th: Edward M. Kennedy (D-MA) 1981-2001
38th: John F. Kennedy Jr (D-NY) 2001-present
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« Reply #21 on: December 12, 2009, 03:27:23 AM »

The way America should've been since 1912, THE PROGRESSIVE HACK VERSION!!!!:

28th: Theodore Roosevelt (P-NY), 1913-1919*
29th: Hiram Johnson (P-CA) 1919-1925
30th: William Borah (P-ID) 1925-1933
31st: Franklin D. Roosevelt (P-NY) 1933-1945
32nd: Robert M. LaFollette Jr. (P-WI) 1945-1953
33rd: Adlai E. Stevenson (P-IL) 1953-1961
34th: Hubert H. Humphrey (P-MN) 1961-1969
35th: Eugene McCarthy (P-MN) 1969-1977
36th: Frank Church (P-ID) 1977-1984*
37th: Fred Harris (P-OK) 1984-1993
38th: Mike Gravel (P-AK) 1993-2001
39th: Dennis Kucinich (P-OH) 2001-present


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« Reply #22 on: December 12, 2009, 11:55:19 PM »
« Edited: January 10, 2010, 05:03:58 PM by Howard Baker »

McGovern Beats Nixon in 72!

After it is revealed that Nixon ordered the buggery of McGovern's campaign headquarters on national tv and that he is having an affair on his wife with Henry Kissinger, George McGovern wins the election! Abortion, Amnesty and Acid for everyone!:

38. George McGovern (D-SD) 1973-1977
39. Robert Dole (R-KS) 1977-1981*
40. Edward M. Brooke (R-MA) 1981-1989**
41. William Cohen (R-ME) 1989-1993

42. Paul Tsongas (D-MA) 1993-1997***
43. Jerry Brown (D-CA) 1997-2005

44. Rudy Giuliani (R-NY) 2005-2009
45. Chuck Hagel (D-NE) 2009-present

McGovern's four years in office result in the most devastating congressional defeats for the Democrats due to his agenda. As a result the Democrats, due to the perceived radicalization in the McGovern years, are thrown into the political wilderness for a decade before become powerful enough to challenge the more moderate Republican Party. Instead of continuing on the path of Social Democracy, the Democratic Party ends up being dominated by western libertarians who by the early nineties are in the majority. In 1993, after 16 years, the Democratic Party finally regains the White House with the tenure of former Massachusetts Senator Paul Tsongas who dies from liver cancer just days before his second inauguration and Vice President Jerry Brown takes over. During this era most gun control laws and drug laws are overturned and significant welfare reform is undertaken, as well as a push for more environmental and alternative energy policy. There is a small Republican respite as New York Governor Rudy Giuliani wins a very narrow electoral victory (though loses popular vote) to Democratic Senator Russ Feingold of Wisconsin. After the Economic Downturn of 2008 Giuliani would lose in a landslide to Nebraska Democratic Senator Chuck Hagel of Nebraska, who in his first year in office continues the libertarian Democratic agenda of his predecessor Jerry Brown.

*Assasinated by John Hinckley Jr. on March 30th, 1981
**First African American president
***Dies of Liver Cancer on January 18th, 1997
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« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2010, 04:27:20 PM »

Presidents:

39. Jimmy Carter (D-GA) (1977-1981)
40. Beauregard D’Israeli (L-WY) (1981-1989)
41. John Peterson (R-VA) (1989-Present)

Vice Presidents:

42. Walter Mondale (D-MN) (1977-1981)
43. Ed Clark (L-CA) (1981-1985)
44. Ricardo Barnes (L-NV) (1985-1989)

45. Isaac James (R-KS) (1989-Present)

And the story has only just begun...
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=105182.0


Someday and perhaps somewhere in net 500 pages, I shall be on this list

I'll probably be on page 3000, depending on how fast the US warms up to the idea of a polygamist atheist ephebophile marijuana smoker as president.
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« Reply #24 on: April 27, 2010, 08:51:14 AM »
« Edited: April 27, 2010, 08:52:48 AM by Mark Sexgod Warner »

Those Damned Rockefeller Republican Socialists:

37. Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY)/John Chafee (R-RI) 1969-1975*
38. John Chafee (R-RI) 1975-1977
39. Richard Schweiker (R-PA)/Gerald Ford (R-MI) 1977-1981

40. Lloyd Bentsen (D-TX)/John V. Tunney (D-CA) 1981*
41. John V. Tunney (D-CA) 1981-1982/Gary Hart (D-CO) 1982-1989
42. Gary Hart (D-CO)/William J. Clinton (D-AR) 1989-1993

43. Colin Powell (R-NY)/Jay Rockefeller (R-WV) 1993-1997
44. Albert Gore Jr. (D-TN)/Thomas Daschle (D-SD) 1997-2001
45. Richard Cheney (R-WY)/Rudolph Giuliani (R-NY) 2001-2009
46. Joseph A. Sestak (D-PA)/Kay Bailey Hutchison (D-TX) 2009-present

*Death in office.
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