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« on: September 23, 2023, 11:54:54 AM »

The US has done some good, such as supporting Ukraine. But we've exported a lot of right-wing insanity abroad, so I lean slightly more towards Evil. That's how I will vote.
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« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2023, 12:29:06 PM »

Currently clearly a force for good (or perhaps more accurately a force for lesser evil). Historically, deeply mixed to such an extent that even trying to weigh the pros and cons is a fool's errand. As a Western European, I feel infinitely grateful for the Marshall Plan and for the geopoltical protection the US has granted us at a time when we needed it (though right now we need to move toward strategic autonomy). But of course I understand that a Latin American, a Middle Easterner or a Southeast Asian will have a very different experience with the US' geopolitical legacy, and these experiences need to be acknowledged far more than they have been.
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« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2023, 12:46:33 PM »

The option that doesn't morally equate this country to the PRC or the Regency of Moscovia.
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« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2023, 01:24:03 PM »
« Edited: September 23, 2023, 01:41:03 PM by Red Velvet »

Depends on where you come from tbh.

If European or White Anglo = More good than evil

Anywhere else = More evil than good

Putting in scale it would be like this:

US leans more good (0% evil in the scale)

- USA
- Other White Anglos
- Europeans
- Asians who are neutral/aligned with their interests (ex: South Korea)
- Africans
- Asians who are not aligned with their interests (ex: China)
- Latin Americans
- Middle Easterners

US leans more evil (100% evil in the scale)

Regarding Africa, Europe has a much worse reputation there than the United States.

US is definitely the most evil in Latin America (Cold War actions); Middle East (Cold War AND all the post-cold war stuff from 00s onwards) and some places in Asia that they see as not aligned (like say, Vietnam during the war; Indonesia coup, etc)

We should do one of these for other places too btw!

For Russia: Most evil definitely in Eastern Europe.

For Europe: Most evil definitely in Africa.
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« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2023, 02:39:44 PM »

Depends on where you come from tbh.

If European or White Anglo = More good than evil

Anywhere else = More evil than good

Putting in scale it would be like this:

US leans more good (0% evil in the scale)

- USA
- Other White Anglos
- Europeans
- Asians who are neutral/aligned with their interests (ex: South Korea)
- Africans
- Asians who are not aligned with their interests (ex: China)
- Latin Americans
- Middle Easterners

US leans more evil (100% evil in the scale)

Regarding Africa, Europe has a much worse reputation there than the United States.

US is definitely the most evil in Latin America (Cold War actions); Middle East (Cold War AND all the post-cold war stuff from 00s onwards) and some places in Asia that they see as not aligned (like say, Vietnam during the war; Indonesia coup, etc)

We should do one of these for other places too btw!

For Russia: Most evil definitely in Eastern Europe.

For Europe: Most evil definitely in Africa.
I'll make a poll combining the two together.
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« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2023, 03:08:59 PM »

Good obviously
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« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2023, 04:21:06 PM »

US society and Americans are a force for good, but the United States government, military, and foreign policy are clearly a force for evil.
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« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2023, 04:49:52 PM »

A force for good, especially historically in Latin America, the Middle East, and Southeast Asia, where it was the most active and vigorous in preventing the spread of communism.
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« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2023, 04:55:10 PM »
« Edited: November 23, 2023, 05:14:15 PM by FT-02 Senator A.F.E. 🇵🇸🤝🇺🇸🤝🇺🇦 »

A force for good, especially historically in Latin America, the Middle East, and Southeast Asia, where it was the most active and vigorous in preventing the spread of communism.

I, too, love installing oppressive dictatorships and regimes just because some freaks in Washington are afraid of the will of a people going against their world building schemes

And fyi, this isn't to say that the Soviets doing the same thing is right either.

Obviously good and the fact is we have been the most moral super power in the history of the world and its not even remotely close. No super power in the past or any potential super power in the world right now would be more moral than us. Not Russia , China, not India, and not the EU.

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« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2023, 04:58:37 PM »

Obviously good and the fact is we have been the most moral super power in the history of the world and its not even remotely close. No super power in the past or any potential super power in the world right now would be more moral than us. Not Russia , China, not India, and not the EU.
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« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2023, 05:41:41 PM »

Most states do not have a historically progressive character
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« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2023, 07:38:44 PM »

The U.S is fundamentally opposed to Christendom. It's an enemy of the good right now.
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« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2023, 07:50:58 PM »

The U.S is fundamentally opposed to Christendom.

You make the U.S. sound way more cool and based than it actually is.
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« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2023, 10:44:23 PM »

Relatively speaking, it is a force for good, given that the alternatives are Russia or China.
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« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2023, 12:30:15 PM »

I voted 'good'. I think generally the US has been a force for good in the world, but in recent years I think there are harmful forces in US politics that want to curtail the positive influence the US has had internationally. Let's hope they do not succeed.
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« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2023, 01:25:06 PM »

More good than evil, but ultimately a force for its own interests, like all states.
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« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2023, 01:34:00 PM »

Easily more good.

However, over last few decades, there have been a number of horrific foreign policy decisions.
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« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2023, 11:03:53 AM »

     If I asked my wife this question she'd think I'm crazy for suggesting it could be anything other than evil. And she doesn't even come from one of the numerous countries where we have uselessly invaded and killed thousands in pursuit of our own interests!
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« Reply #18 on: November 26, 2023, 07:05:07 PM »

Depends on where you come from tbh.

If European or White Anglo = More good than evil


Our relationship with the EU and the UK has been immensely one-sided since the Syrian Civil War and the Sinai War respectively.
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« Reply #19 on: November 26, 2023, 07:14:39 PM »
« Edited: November 26, 2023, 07:18:18 PM by wnwnwn »

For the world:
The USA goverment? A mixed bag
Its upper class? A mixed bag if you are OK with capitalism.
Its working class? It could be better, but they did some good things. They created jazz and rock and roll.

I feel like they were a force for evil in Peru until the 60s, but at least a mixed bag since then. If you are an informed socialist, you could say that Chile has been exploiting Peru  more than the USA.
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« Reply #20 on: November 26, 2023, 07:36:57 PM »

For the world:
The USA goverment? A mixed bag
Its upper class? A mixed bag if you are OK with capitalism.
Its working class? It could be better, but they did some good things. They created jazz and rock and roll.

I feel like they were a force for evil in Peru until the 60s, but at least a mixed bag since then. If you are an informed socialist, you could say that Chile has been exploiting Peru  more than the USA.
Do Canadian mining companies have any presence in Peru?
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« Reply #21 on: November 26, 2023, 07:49:53 PM »

For the world:
The USA goverment? A mixed bag
Its upper class? A mixed bag if you are OK with capitalism.
Its working class? It could be better, but they did some good things. They created jazz and rock and roll.

I feel like they were a force for evil in Peru until the 60s, but at least a mixed bag since then. If you are an informed socialist, you could say that Chile has been exploiting Peru  more than the USA.
Do Canadian mining companies have any presence in Peru?
Yes, but not much. Most major mines are owned by comoanies from USA, China and México.
There had been social conflicts between american mines and locals, but this is something that would still happen if those were owned by mexicans or peruvians.
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« Reply #22 on: November 26, 2023, 09:41:49 PM »

The U.S is fundamentally opposed to Christendom.

You make the U.S. sound way more cool and based than it actually is.


Based might be the corniest word right wingers and liberals use right now
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« Reply #23 on: November 27, 2023, 12:55:50 AM »

The U.S is fundamentally opposed to Christendom.

You make the U.S. sound way more cool and based than it actually is.


Based might be the corniest word right wingers and liberals use right now

I am aware, that is why I only use it when I'm joking around.
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« Reply #24 on: November 27, 2023, 12:59:10 AM »

Evil that thinks its a force for good which is the scariest situation.
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