Spanish elections and politics IV / European Parliament campaign, diplomatic crisis with Argentina

[Zinneke]

Not to justify Milei's erratic and often childish behavior, but if Sánchez's own ministers are going to be the ones hurling insults at him first... can the Spanish government really claim a moral high ground here? I'm not that convinced myself.

We get it, you're the kind of "liberal" Supreme Court loving guy who concern trolls in favour of Milei because of his edginess.

Tell again why the misuse of funds court case against the Catalan Separatists put them behind bars while Ayuso is still a free woman. I'm still all eyes and ears.

[Velasco]

I would not like to derail this thread with personal attacks in a Milei's fashion, so please don't go in that way.

Anyway I would like to point out that I think Milei is a seriously imbalanced person, as well as a despicable piece of scum that is inflicting intolerable suffering on the Argentinian people. Certainly a majority of Argentinian voters backed him last year, weary of the incompetence of previous governments, but I'm not the kind of sadist who enjoys when others make wrong decisions and pay the consequences

It's clear to me that Milei's conftontational style and his taste for cultural wars act as distractions, for the situation in Argentina is dramatic and catastrophic. The terrific state of Argentinian affairs is not only the consequence of the legacy of incompetence inherited from peronistas and macristas.  Milei is aggravating the social and economic problems with a sadist and inhumane approach devoid of compassion, based on his minarchist and authoritarian beliefs.

Despite I have a very low opinion of Milei and I feel very sorry for the Argentinians under his disgraceful rule, I strongly disapprove that members of the Spanish government make comments about alleged substance abuses. Regardless of whether Milei is a despicable person, he is the highest authority of a friendly country. i believe relationships between countries must be ruled by principles such as respect for institutions.

 That being said, it's false this conflict was triggered by the comments made by the minister Óscar Puente,  for it is notorious that Milei has attacked the "evil socialists" (and Sánchez in particular) on numerous occasions before. Coming to the Steve Bannon festival in Madrid to insult Sánchez and his family is a miserable way of conduct that reveals disrespect for national sovereignty and democratic institutions.  "Conservatives" and "liberals" tempted to condone Milei's behaviour would be  equally miserable, for they could be contributing to erode our fragile liberal democracies and perhaps enabling new forms of authoritarianism. History does not repeat itself, but certainly history rhymes. Beware of that

On a side note, the economic record of this government is arguably the best in Spain’s recent history. Besides, one could contend Milei came here to boost the PSOE campaign for the upcoming EP elections

[Zinneke]

Milei doesn't believe in international customs, he believes in survival of the fittest. If I were Sanchez I'd shoot his airplane down. We saw how Argentina managed in the 70s against the hairy woman, they're a joke army. Show libertarians what survival of the fittest really means

[Velasco]

Show libertarians what survival of the fittest really means

Durruti was a libertarian. Milei is like Videla with sideburns (the comparison is stolen from Ramón Espinar)

[Zinneke]

Make sure "QUE MIRAS BOBO" is played on the announcer as he goes into the sea, so that delusional country goes back to worshipping a crackhead and a roided dwarf while they're at it

[Edu]

[Velasco]

I'm reading in the news that Milei is bragging about his starring appearance at the Steve Bannon Festival in Madrid. He claims being a surfer that rides the waves of a sea made of socialist tears, but perhaps he's contributing to the PSOE campaign. Sadly for Argentina, waging cultural wars won't solve the terrific social and economic situation of our sister country

[Zinneke]

https://www.eldiario.es/politica/espana-retira-embajadora-buenos-aires-nuevos-insultos-milei_1_11383426.html

Gigachad Sanchez is recalling his ambassador from Buenos Aires "permanently". Now its time to tell the Mercosur countries it's either without Argentina or no deal at all, and that Spain will veto any trade deal with Argentina. he should also implement a law slowing down the process of Argentines being able to get Spanish passports compared to the fast track Latin American system.


(saying you are removing your ambassador permanently, is, in all seriousness, a pretty insane escalation)

[Zinneke]

I apologise to Lumine who I thought was Mimoha, I sometimes get posters confused

[Ⓐnarchy in the ☭☭☭P!]

https://twitter.com/therealbuni/status/1792542355209203975

It's absolutely bananas that Sánchez is withdrawing the ambassador from Buenos Aires because Milei hurt his feelings after months of insults towards Milei from members of his government and interference in the Argentine election.

Russia is invading its neighbour, Israel is committing a genocide, Morocco directly challenges Spanish territorial integrity and in none of these cases does Sánchez withdraw his ambassador. But Milei calling someone investigated for corruption "corrupt" is too far.

[Zinneke]

https://twitter.com/therealbuni/status/1792542355209203975

It's absolutely bananas that Sánchez is withdrawing the ambassador from Buenos Aires because Milei hurt his feelings after months of insults towards Milei from members of his government and interference in the Argentine election.

Russia is invading its neighbour, Israel is committing a genocide, Morocco directly challenges Spanish territorial integrity and in none of these cases does Sánchez withdraw his ambassador. But Milei calling someone investigated for corruption "corrupt" is too far.

cry harder

[Velasco]

Milei and his supporters worldwide like to act like bullies, but they are essentially cowards. Sánchez is defending the dignity of his country and his family against the attacks of the filthy minarchist that is destroying Argentina.

Many things can be said about Sánchez,  hut he is anything but a coward. Sánchez is the only leader of the Western World who had the courage to visit Israel and tell Netanyahu to his face the massacre in Gaza is intolerable, using correct and diplomatic manners.

 In contrast Milei didn't pay visit to the Spanish authorities during his first visit to Spain. Disrespect for institutions, insults and slander define the coward, dishonest and imbalanced authoritarian ruler of Argentina. Disgrace

Anyway Milei the Miserable won't destroy the longstanding friendship between the Spanish and Argentinian peoples

[windjammer]

It's so weird to be fully in agreement with you Velasco 😛.

[Logical]

Why does Sanchez's enemies persist in giving him free shots at an open goal?

[It's Perro Sanxe wot won it]

Milei and his supporters worldwide like to act like bullies, but they are essentially cowards. Sánchez is defending the dignity of his country and his family against the attacks of the filthy minarchist that is destroying Argentina.

Many things can be said about Sánchez,  hut he is anything but a coward. Sánchez is the only leader of the Western World who had the courage to visit Israel and tell Netanyahu to his face the massacre in Gaza is intolerable, using correct and diplomatic manners.

 In contrast Milei didn't pay visit to the Spanish authorities during his first visit to Spain. Disrespect for institutions, insults and slander define the coward, dishonest and imbalanced authoritarian ruler of Argentina. Disgrace

Anyway Milei the Miserable won't destroy the longstanding friendship between the Spanish and Argentinian peoples

[Velasco]

Pedro Sánchez announced today in Congress that Spain will formally recognize the Palestinian state, alongside Norway and Ireland. Shortly afterwards Israel announced it will recall ambassadors. It's not the first time Israel recalls its ambassador in Spain and it was expected, so nobody is concerned

Jaume Asens, who is the Comuns candidate for the upcoming EP elections within Sumar, says in a Catalan broadcaster the Hard Rock Café project won't be a red line in future negotiations with PSC. Amazingly Comuns triggered the last elections rejecting the regional budget, due to their opposition to that project. The lack of consistency revealed by Asens, in addition to the multiple errors ocommitted by Yolanda Díaz and her circle, don't augur a brilliant future for Sumar as coalition or political organization. The last poll I've seen says that Sumar would win only 3 seats in the European Parliament

[CumbrianLefty]

Why does Sanchez's enemies persist in giving him free shots at an open goal?

Amongst other things, because he triggers them.

[Flyersfan232]

what is this Salf party I am seeing on europe elect

[Mike88]

what is this Salf party I am seeing on europe elect

"Se Acabó La Fiesta", (The Party Is Over). It seems to be a far-right, anti-system party. Its leader, Alvise Pérez, is a former UPyD and Ciudadanos member that now posts controversial things on social media.

[kaoras]

Yes, he is famous for his conspiracy theories and has thousands of followers in telegram. Consensus is that he is eating into Vox and drawing from usual abstentionists. My Spanish friends think that he will get seats.

[Velasco]

In the campaign related news, Feijóo said a few days ago (using different words) there exist different kinds of far-right parties - some of them are "acceptable", while others are not.  The criteria used to determine the acceptability of far-right parties is simple: those supporting the NATO and Ukraine in its war against Russia can be whitewashed; parties with euroesceptic,  anti-NATO or pro-Putin stances can not. Following this principle Feijóo  said Giorgia Meloni's party seems to be "reasonable" implying it could be accepted by the EPP, even though he admitted knowing little about Giorgia Meloni's policies. On the contrary Vox wouldn't be acceptable due to its euroesceptic stance, even though the PP is governing five Spanish regions in coalitions with Vox. The Valencian Community premier said he's proud of all the members of his government (PP and Vox), perhaps in an attempt to compensate Vox's apparent exclusion from EU-level deals

Vox organized the Steve Bannon Festival (called "Viva 2024" , or something similar) that took place recently in Madrid, where Argentina's president Javier Milei made his starring appearance. The noise and controversy generated by Milei's insults overshadowed the presence of Marine Le Pen and other far-right leaders. Meloni didn't attend and made a short videospeech (she keeps a certain distance, for she is a protégée of Mario Draghi and her party is a potential EPP ally or member), while AfD wasn't invited. Vox, on the other hand, tries to unify the different far-right families within the EU l, from Orban to Meloni

Shortly afterwards dozens of people were burnt alive in their precarious tents --another atrocity of the Gaza Genocide-- Santiago Abascal went to Israel and met Bibi Netanyahu. Abascal praised the "firmness" of Israel's extremist government and promised to reverse Spain's formal recognition of the Palestinian state (on May 28, alongside Ireland and Norway). Netanyahu and his friends are really furious at Sánchez and the Spanish government

[Velasco]

The Amnesty Law has been passed today by the Congress of Deputies, with Vox members shouting "traitor" while the vote was taking place.

GAD3 for Mediaset.  The PSOE is closing the gap and the fachatuber Alvise could win a seat in the European Parliament

https://twitter.com/electografica/status/1795454818732880248?t=ncElRRyhDeBG2kF0F...

[Antonio the Sixth]

The Amnesty Law has been passed today by the Congress of Deputies, with Vox members shouting "traitor" while the vote was taking place.

Is this final passage, or does it need to go through more hoops to become law?

[Velasco]

The Amnesty Law has been passed today by the Congress of Deputies, with Vox members shouting "traitor" while the vote was taking place.

Is this final passage, or does it need to go through more hoops to become law?

It is the final approval. The PP blocked the passage of the law for two months using its majority in the Senate, but in the end the law had to return to Congress - the deputies approved it ignoring the Senate's veto. Unlike in Italy, our bicameral system is not perfect and Congress prevails over Senate

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/30/spanish-mps-give-final-approval-to-amnesty-law-for-catalonia-separatists

Spanish MPs have given their final approval to the deeply divisive amnesty law that the country’s socialist prime minister, Pedro Sánchez, offered Catalan separatists in return for helping him back to power after last year’s inconclusive general election.

The new law, approved by 177 votes to 172 in Spain’s 350-seat congress of deputies, will apply to about 400 people involved in the symbolic independence referendum of November 2014 and the illegal unilateral poll that followed three years later, which triggered Spain’s worst political crisis in four decades (...)
 

The passage of the law doesn’t imply that Puigdemont is going to return tomorrow. Judges can delay the implementation of the law raising questions to European courts. It's up to see whether Puigdemont could be prosecuted on other charges, in case the legal syructure of the amnesty law is not solid enough to protect him.

The outcome of the Catalan elections (a government led by PSC candidate Salvador Illa, or repeat elections) will determine the legislative term in Spain. The PSOE lost a couple of votes recently. Sorry for not elaborating more, but tomorrow I wake up early and must go to bed now

[Zinneke]

Not to justify Milei's erratic and often childish behavior, but if Sánchez's own ministers are going to be the ones hurling insults at him first... can the Spanish government really claim a moral high ground here? I'm not that convinced myself.

We get it, you're the kind of "liberal" Supreme Court loving guy who concern trolls in favour of Milei because of his edginess.

Tell again why the misuse of funds court case against the Catalan Separatists put them behind bars while Ayuso is still a free woman. I'm still all eyes and ears.

None of the legal experts who were cheerleading the political statement of the Supreme Court have answered my question. Ayuso continues to be mired in corruption scandals...


Btw after Hard Rock café in Catalonia take a look at the protests in Mallorca. Puts things in to perspective.