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Sam Spade
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« on: May 29, 2007, 10:17:20 PM »

How many here have seen the film?... I'm just curious.

Wilson showed the film in the White House and loved it... Personally, anything that glorifies the KKK is a load of crap.

That's just plain stupid.  Would be similar to hating Wagner b/c he railed against the Jews constantly or (fill-in-the-blank) 20th century American composer b/c they were openly homosexual.

Basically, Birth of a Nation is the film that created Hollywood, not to mention pioneering about half of the film techniques presently in use worldwide nowadays.  In order to call oneself a "film buff", Birth of a Nation is really one of the few movies you have to at least see once.

I have seen the movie (two times now) and regardless of what you think of the subject matter (and the fact that the movie helped in rebirth of the KKK during the early 1920s), it is probably one of the 10 greatest films ever made - the story is compelling, the romantic subplot bewitching, and the fight sequences look completely realistic (even by today's standards).

He wasn't quoted in  movie, he made a quote about a movie.  The movie was The Birth of a Nation which was essencially a pro-KKK/shamlessly racist and pro-southern "version" of the historical events of the Civil War and Reconstruction.  Wilson was quoted as saying "The only terrible thing about it is that it is all so horribly true."  Which, of course, it wasn't, but it is proof of the fact, if any was needed, that Wilson was, deep down, a racist who supported the Klan.

Actually, KucinichforPrez is correct here.  D.W. Griffith placed a quote in the film from Wilson's book "The History of the American People", written while Wilson was President of Princeton University, which read:

"The white men were roused by a mere instinct of self-preservation...till at last there had sprung into existence a great Ku Klux Klan, a veritable empire of the South, to protect the Southern Country."
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Sam Spade
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« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2007, 10:12:55 PM »

Colin is right here, and I would pause for a moment to say that if an Al-Qaeda film had similar effects as Triumph of the Will or Birth of a Nation, I would praise it, much as I praise those two movies.

Look, I even thought Fahrenheit 9/11 was a very good piece of filmmaking, even though most of it was entirely untrue.
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Sam Spade
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« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2007, 04:28:25 PM »

Migrendel, my statement above did not place Fahrenheit 9/11 in the same breadth as Triumph of the Will or Birth of a Nation; rather it was meant to provide contrast with Al-Qaeda quality filmmaking.

Furthermore, Victorian sentimentality was still a key facet of artistic creation at the time Birth of a Nation was produced; to criticize the film for using techniques that would strongly connect its material to the movie viewers of its time is quite uncalled for.

I do tend to agree with your remark that advancing a political ideology does not inherently subjugate art. 

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