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Question: Do you believe that lap dances qualify as protected free speech?
Yes.   -16 (42.1%)
No.   -22 (57.9%)
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« on: July 03, 2007, 02:52:48 pm »
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Judge's ruling protects lap dancing as free speech
Dancer was cited in April 2005 after 'prohibited touching' of undercover officer

DENNIS THOMPSON
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Lap dances are legal in Salem, protected by the Oregon Constitution's free speech provisions, a Marion County judge ruled this week.

A city ordinance outlawing "prohibited touching" -- sexually exciting physical contact for pay -- has been ruled unconstitutional by Circuit Judge Albin Norblad.

The case involves Laurel Guillen, 24, a dancer at a northeast Salem club called Cheetah's who gave a lap dance to an undercover officer in April 2005.

Salem residents hoping to limit strip club activity in the city called the ruling a setback.

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« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2007, 03:00:39 pm »
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Yes, as are paid sex and drug use.  Though these things are additionally and alternately protectd by the Right to Privacy.
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« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2007, 03:11:38 pm »
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This guy is seriously a judge?
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« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2007, 03:14:32 pm »
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I'm having trouble coming up with an explanation for why they could be considered such.
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« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2007, 06:05:39 pm »
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YES!

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« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2007, 06:10:06 pm »
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Wow...

I think I've actually lost points on my IQ for reading that.
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« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2007, 07:59:15 pm »
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Allison said she hopes some action will be taken.

"I'm a moralist, I guess,"she said. "It's disgusting. It's another form of prostitution to me. You can't tell me that they sit on their laps and that's it."

What an awful woman.
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« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2007, 08:38:11 pm »
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Allison said she hopes some action will be taken.

"I'm a moralist, I guess,"she said. "It's disgusting. It's another form of prostitution to me. You can't tell me that they sit on their laps and that's it."

What an awful woman.

What a horrible man (you).
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« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2007, 10:12:05 pm »
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At the very least, not in the context of strip clubs - within strip clubs lap dances are simply services that men pay the employees to perform. That's not to say I agree with laws prohibiting lap dances, but frankly I don't see them as speech.
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« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2007, 10:20:12 pm »
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Yes, as are paid sex and drug use.  Though these things are additionally and alternately protectd by the Right to Privacy.

Please explain how.  Find me the clause that states we have 'the right to privacy'.

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« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2007, 11:02:22 pm »
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I often am amazed how strict some laws are in the US in regards to strip clubs. BRTD is in the wrong country!

In Canada, they'll pick up a $5 bill off your face with a certain part of their anatomy...
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« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2007, 11:09:54 pm »
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I wouldn't classify a lap dance as free speech, perhaps as a peaceable assemblage of people, but not free speech.
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« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2007, 11:11:59 pm »
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No, I don't think lap dances are free speech. In fact, I don't think they are protected by a literal interpretation of the Constitution at all. However, were I a judge, I would strike down such laws for violating the spirit of the Constitution (namely, unnecessary regulation).

Of course, I've never been of the opinion that the Constitution did a very good job of enumerating or properly prioritizing what our rights should be, anyway.
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« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2007, 11:12:28 pm »
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Yes, as are paid sex and drug use.  Though these things are additionally and alternately protectd by the Right to Privacy.

Please explain how.  Find me the clause that states we have 'the right to privacy'.

'Clause'?
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« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2007, 12:59:50 am »
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It's funny. When I first saw this on the board, I assumed BRTD posted it. Tongue
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Yes, as are paid sex and drug use.  Though these things are additionally and alternately protectd by the Right to Privacy.

Please explain how.  Find me the clause that states we have 'the right to privacy'.

'Clause'?

you claim the Constitution protects the 'right to privacy'.  It does protect certain aspects of privacy, but show me where in the document privacy is protected in its entirety.
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« Reply #16 on: July 04, 2007, 12:35:16 pm »
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No, you're charged for'em.
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« Reply #17 on: July 04, 2007, 12:57:38 pm »
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No, you're charged for'em.

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« Reply #18 on: July 04, 2007, 03:29:34 pm »
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This judge should run for Governor of Oregon, since he is clearly one of the greatest Freedom Fighters in the state, and then hopefully he could run for President. I'd vote for him even if he's a Republican!
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This judge should run for Governor of Oregon, since he is clearly one of the greatest Freedom Fighters in the state, and then hopefully he could run for President. I'd vote for him even if he's a Republican!

You would vote for someone for president because he declared lap dances to be free speech?
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This judge should run for Governor of Oregon, since he is clearly one of the greatest Freedom Fighters in the state, and then hopefully he could run for President. I'd vote for him even if he's a Republican!

You would vote for someone for president because he declared lap dances to be free speech?

It's BRTD, he's deluded.
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This judge should run for Governor of Oregon, since he is clearly one of the greatest Freedom Fighters in the state, and then hopefully he could run for President. I'd vote for him even if he's a Republican!

You would vote for someone for president because he declared lap dances to be free speech?

He stood up for freedom against prudery.
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This judge should run for Governor of Oregon, since he is clearly one of the greatest Freedom Fighters in the state, and then hopefully he could run for President. I'd vote for him even if he's a Republican!

You would vote for someone for president because he declared lap dances to be free speech?

He stood up for freedom against prudery.

I'm glad to know you have your priorities straight in terms of what issues are most important.
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This judge should run for Governor of Oregon, since he is clearly one of the greatest Freedom Fighters in the state, and then hopefully he could run for President. I'd vote for him even if he's a Republican!

You would vote for someone for president because he declared lap dances to be free speech?

He stood up for freedom against prudery.

I'm glad to know you have your priorities straight in terms of what issues are most important.

As far as local issues go, yes this is most important. Local issues are almost entirely property taxes and zoning laws and this type of stuff, and I don't pay property taxes.*

*Before any libertarian or conservative says "Yes, you do, your landlord does and passes the cost on to you in the rent", in Minnesota all renters below a certain income level receive a property tax refund. I'm getting about $600 in August for that.
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« Reply #24 on: July 04, 2007, 04:22:17 pm »
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This judge should run for Governor of Oregon, since he is clearly one of the greatest Freedom Fighters in the state, and then hopefully he could run for President. I'd vote for him even if he's a Republican!

You would vote for someone for president because he declared lap dances to be free speech?

He stood up for freedom against prudery.

I'm glad to know you have your priorities straight in terms of what issues are most important.

As far as local issues go, yes this is most important. Local issues are almost entirely property taxes and zoning laws and this type of stuff, and I don't pay property taxes.*

Okay, but you said you've vote for this guy for president.
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