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« on: December 05, 2004, 03:51:18 AM »

What if a plane carrying electoral votes crashes on its way to Washington? And no one get more than 269 EVs?
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« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2004, 04:33:11 AM »

Uh...

Electors meet to vote. They aren't carried in a plane or something.

If noone gets 269 votes, it goes to the house. This can happen if there is a successful third party.
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« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2004, 05:12:21 AM »

Uh...

Electors meet to vote. They aren't carried in a plane or something.

If noone gets 269 votes, it goes to the house. This can happen if there is a successful third party.
I mean, if the ballot box containing the electoral votes goes on a plane, and it crashes.
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« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2004, 11:24:34 AM »

We enter an extended period of anarchy.
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« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2004, 12:47:05 PM »

Uh...

Electors meet to vote. They aren't carried in a plane or something.

If noone gets 269 votes, it goes to the house. This can happen if there is a successful third party.
I mean, if the ballot box containing the electoral votes goes on a plane, and it crashes.

I don't think it's exactly a secret ballot.  We know who every elector voted for.
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« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2004, 03:43:01 PM »

I'm guessing we do considering that we know all the unfaithful electors. I'm sure they would write it down twice.
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« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2004, 07:29:35 PM »

Actually they write it down six times.

One copy is sent directly to the President of the Senate.

Two copies are sent to the secretary of state of that State, who keeps one copy for his records and keeps the other if the President of the Senate should inquire because the one he should have gotten got misplaced.

Two copies are sent to the Archivist of the United States, who keeps one copy for the official records and keeps the other if the President of the Senate should inquire because the one he should have gotten got misplaced.

One copy is sent to the judge of the United States District Court with jurisdiction over the place where the electors met.

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« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2004, 06:35:22 PM »

If the certificates of votes get lost there is a process detailed in the United States code:

Failure of certificates of electors to reach president of the senate or archivist of the united states; demand on state for certificate

§ 12. When no certificate of vote and list mentioned in sections 9 and 11 and of this title from any State shall have been received by the President of the Senate or by the Archivist of the United States by the fourth Wednesday in December, after the meeting of the electors shall have been held, the President of the Senate or, if he be absent from the seat of government, the Archivist of the United States shall request, by the most expeditious method available, the secretary of state of the State to send up the certificate and list lodged with him by the electors of such State; and it shall be his duty upon receipt of such request immediately to transmit same by registered mail to the President of the Senate at the seat of government.

Same; demand on district judge for certificate

§ 13. When no certificates of votes from any State shall have been received at the seat of government on the fourth Wednesday in December, after the meeting of the electors shall have been held, the President of the Senate or, if he be absent from the seat of government, the Archivist of the United States shall send a special messenger to the district judge in whose custody one certificate of votes from that State has been lodged, and such judge shall forthwith transmit that list by the hand of such messenger to the seat of government.

Forfeiture for messenger's neglect of duty

§ 14. Every person who, having been appointed, pursuant to section 13 of this title, to deliver the certificates of the votes of the electors to the President of the Senate, and having accepted such appointment, shall neglect to perform the services required from him, shall forfeit the sum of $1,000

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« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2004, 05:42:40 AM »

So not delivering electoral votes costs $1K? Good. Swinging an election is so cheap when the return is so high,
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« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2005, 05:27:04 PM »

We enter an extended period of anarchy.

LMAO.... Nothing, they would just have a revote.
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« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2005, 01:19:18 PM »

This isnt the 1800's anymore, why the hell do we do this? 
If someone wins a state,whether it was Bush or Kerry or whoever in the future, they shouldnt have to worry about faithless electors in a close race.
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« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2005, 06:13:26 PM »

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« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2005, 08:46:21 PM »




HAHAHAHAHAHAHA WHERE DID YOU GET THAT
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« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2005, 12:53:15 AM »


This is quite possibly the greatest picture ever.
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