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« on: July 20, 2004, 12:33:42 am »

Would the US government really kill it's own citizens to further promote it's war aims? Would it even consider such abhorent actions? Read this report from ABC News (5/1/01):

• March 13, 1962 - America's top military leaders, who were staunchly right-wing, drafted Operation Northwoods which were secret plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.

"In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.
Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.
The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war to oust Cuba's then new leader, communist Fidel Castro.
America's top military brass even contemplated causing U.S. military casualties, writing: "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," and, "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation."
Details of the plans are described in Body of Secrets (Doubleday), a new book by investigative reporter James Bamford about the history of America's largest spy agency, the National Security Agency. However, the plans were not connected to the agency, he notes.
The plans had the written approval of all of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and were presented to President Kennedy's defense secretary, Robert McNamara, in March 1962. But they apparently were rejected by the civilian leadership and have gone undisclosed for nearly 40 years.
The Joint Chiefs even proposed using the potential death of astronaut John Glenn during the first attempt to put an American into orbit as a false pretext for war with Cuba, the documents show.
Should the rocket explode and kill Glenn, they wrote, "the objective is to provide irrevocable proof … that the fault lies with the Communists et all Cuba [sic]."
The plans were motivated by an intense desire among senior military leaders to depose Castro, who seized power in 1959 to become the first communist leader in the Western Hemisphere — only 90 miles from U.S. shores.
The earlier CIA-backed Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba by Cuban exiles had been a disastrous failure, in which the military was not allowed to provide firepower. The military leaders now wanted a shot at it.
Reflecting this, the U.S. plan called for establishing prolonged military — not democratic — control over the island nation after the invasion.
The Joint Chiefs at the time were headed by Eisenhower appointee Army Gen. Lyman L. Lemnitzer, who, with the signed plans in hand made a pitch to McNamara on March 13, 1962, recommending Operation Northwoods be run by the military.

One idea was to create a war between Cuba and another Latin American country so that the United States could intervene. Another was to pay someone in the Castro government to attack U.S. forces at the Guantanamo naval base — an act, which Bamford notes, would have amounted to treason.
Afraid of a congressional investigation, Lemnitzer had ordered all Joint Chiefs documents related to the Bay of Pigs destroyed, says Bamford. But somehow, these remained." - ABC (5/01/01)


My comments - Any nation that wishes to initiate a war of conquest must create the illusion of an attack or a threat to start the war. They must always give their citizens an excuse never to question the carefully crafted illusion. No citizen of a modern industrialized nation would send their children off to die in a war to grab another nation's resources and assets, yet resources and assets are what all wars are fought over.
It is naive, not to mention racist to assume that dictatorship and thought control can appear only in other nations and that somehow America is immune simply because we're Americans. America has escaped the clutches of a dictatorship thus far only through the efforts of those citizens who, unlike the Germans of the 1930s, had the moral courage to stand up and point out where the government is lying to the people. -FREEDOMBURNS
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« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2004, 09:56:49 pm »

Ooh, someone's been watching too many conspiracy theory movies!
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« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2004, 11:14:06 pm »
« Edited: July 20, 2004, 11:21:08 pm by FreedomBurns »

Ooh, someone's been watching too many conspiracy theory movies!

It's not theory; these are facts, as reported by ABC News, followed by my opinion.  You can view the documentation at the National Security Archives, obtained via the Freedom of Information Act.  So bury your head in the sand if you so choose, but get your facts straight.  This is not theory.  

Please do not resort to childish name calling if you have nothing constructive to add to the discussion.

Here is a link.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/jointchiefs_010501.html
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« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2004, 11:43:54 am »

Ooh, someone's been watching too many conspiracy theory movies!

It's not theory; these are facts, as reported by ABC News, followed by my opinion.  You can view the documentation at the National Security Archives, obtained via the Freedom of Information Act.  So bury your head in the sand if you so choose, but get your facts straight.  This is not theory.  

Please do not resort to childish name calling if you have nothing constructive to add to the discussion.

Here is a link.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/jointchiefs_010501.html

My point is that NONE of this actually transpired.  It made it as far as the planning stage, but the military leaders didn't go through with it.  So your point is academic at best.
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« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2004, 09:30:36 pm »

You are correc sir.  This never actually went forward.  And it ONLY got as far as ALL of the Joint Chiefs of Staff signing their approval on it and submitting it to the Secretary of Defense for his approval, which he may have given.  McNamara would likely have approved a plan like that.  It was only Kennedy that put a stop to it, and that could be one of, if not the reason that they had him assassinated.
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« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2004, 04:53:33 pm »

You are correc sir.  This never actually went forward.  And it ONLY got as far as ALL of the Joint Chiefs of Staff signing their approval on it and submitting it to the Secretary of Defense for his approval, which he may have given.  McNamara would likely have approved a plan like that.  It was only Kennedy that put a stop to it, and that could be one of, if not the reason that they had him assassinated.

No, the Kennedy death was the result of a mafia hit. JFK and his brother were trying to bring the heroine trade out of Cuba to a stop and certain mobsters, Traficanni, Hoffa, etc ordered the job. A lawyer here in Tampa who defended mobsters in the 60-70s who is very famous said as much and I know someone who knew him and confirmed the story.
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« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2004, 08:35:21 pm »

"resources and assets are what all wars are fought over."

Really?  Then explain the thinking behind Argetnina's invasion of the Malvinas/Falkland Islands?  Justify the massive expenditure of resources used fighting World War I with the minimal gains that the instigating parties sought?

In reality, it is paranoia, fear, and ideology that leads to all wars.  Many wars are fought because of religion (like the current war) which has nothing to do with aqcuiring resources.  Do you think Al Qaeda hit the trade towers to get our resources or because they hate the west?
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« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2004, 02:49:55 am »

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No, the Kennedy death was the result of a mafia hit.

I confirm that you are right about the mafia being involved.  They definitely had a part in it.  They may have made the hit.

But, could the mafia change the parade route in Dallas?  Could the mafia have given the stand down order that caused the 112th Military Intelligence Group at 4th Army HQ at Ft. Sam Houston to stand down on that day? (over the protests of the unit commander, Col. Reich and against all SOP)  Could  the mafia have arranged for the world press to have access to detailed biographical data, including sensitive information and the entire history of Oswald's time in Russia, in addition to analysis concluding that he was the lone assassin of the President, many hours before he was even charged with the crime?

No.  It was a larger conspiracy between the mafia and the military - the military-industrial complex that Eisenhower specifically warned us about in great detail in his farewell speech at the end of his presidency in 1960.  Here is the link, this speech deserves to be studied today more than ever.

http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~hst306/documents/indust.html

Key message from speech - "This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together."
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« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2004, 10:52:15 am »

Freedom,

I find myself agreeing with you a lot and of course Ike on this subject. LBJ had a LOT of money interests in the military complex and JFK was a threat to the goldmine called Vietnam.
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