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« on: August 14, 2007, 09:07:42 AM »
« edited: August 14, 2007, 09:50:05 AM by StateBoiler »

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Hmm. If so, it would be very revealing to the wing of the Republican Party that puts principle over pragmatism, they might start feeling sold out.

Seriously, there are a good number of "normal people" Republicans that if you asked what the Republican Party stands for, their definition would not be inclusive to Rudy Giuliani, just as the definition of most is no longer inclusive to libertarians.

Of course the GOP brass will get on the horn and say "yes, he is pro-choice, but do you want Hillary for President?" It will be interesting to see what these Republican voters that believe in those principles do: stay home, vote for a 3rd party Constitution-type candidate, or throw away their principles and vote for Rudy.

All those independent organizations like the Christian Coalition, National Right-to-Life, etc. have a hard choice to make. If you're a pro-life organization and you support a pro-choice candidate, why should a donator give money to you ever again? Isn't the point of them receiving money from contributors is to get people with religious principles in office? This is an issue where, if Rudy does get nominated, the Republicans and Democrats are the same party.

2008 is going to be a very interesting election.


As for Hillary and the South, she has the potential at least for a few upset wins*. All of us white southerners get lumped together as conservatives. However, a good number are populists, an ideology that with the decline of the Southern Democrats people pay less attention to, but is still present. If Hillary comes out with a populist message that connects (not something fake like Edwards) and gets the blacks to turnout in large numbers, she has a chance to take a state like Louisiana.

* Note: the South as I'm describing it does not include Florida.
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« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2007, 08:01:43 PM »
« Edited: August 14, 2007, 08:08:35 PM by StateBoiler »

It doesn't do any good to nominate a candidate like Thompson representing "principle" if nominating Thompson means Hillary will win the White House in the general election.  Her in the White House is as far from conservative principles as you can get.  I don't know any Republicans who believe there is not a huge difference between Rudy and Hillary on almost any issue.

As far as Hillary carrying Louisiana, not going to happen.  Kerry lost the state by 15 points.  You don't make up that kind of margin with someone like Hillary no matter how much of a populist she pretends to be.  Besides, Louisiana males are less likely to vote for a woman for president than almost any state.

You're making the mistake in thinking that all voters are pragmatists and will set aside something they fervently believe in.

There are some usual Republican voters that will refuse to support a pro-choice, pro gun control, pro-gay rights former mayor of New York City. I know some of them. You might as well be asking a communist to vote for Hitler (Godwin's Law).
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