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« Reply #25 on: June 08, 2010, 11:54:14 PM »

Which claim? Look all I'm saying is that if Kerry were Gore's running mate in 2000 we would've had to listen to his crazy flashbacks 4 years earlier than we did.
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« Reply #26 on: June 08, 2010, 11:59:57 PM »

Which claim? Look all I'm saying is that if Kerry were Gore's running mate in 2000 we would've had to listen to his crazy flashbacks 4 years earlier than we did.

True, but his flashbacks weren't crazy and were completely true. It is only the GOP's manipulation and lies about those flashbacks which were false and slanderous. Shame on the GOp for ruining Kerry's good name and service to our country. At least Kerry had the guts to actually serve in Vietnam and fight the Commies, in contrast to Bush, who was too much of a coward to fight in Vietnam so he decided to use his daddy's connections to serve in the National Guard instead. So Bush is afraid to fight in wars to protect our citizens yet is unafraid to start them, especially unnecessary ones.
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« Reply #27 on: June 09, 2010, 12:08:39 AM »

Do you have proof for that claim, Derek?  It must be said that your other assertions in the past have been... well... baloney.

He flew Jane Fonda around in Vietnam...

... he earned himself a spot in the North Vietnamese War Museum dedicated to the northern victory in the 70's.
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« Reply #28 on: June 09, 2010, 12:15:25 AM »

Which claim? Look all I'm saying is that if Kerry were Gore's running mate in 2000 we would've had to listen to his crazy flashbacks 4 years earlier than we did.

True, but his flashbacks weren't crazy and were completely true. It is only the GOP's manipulation and lies about those flashbacks which were false and slanderous. Shame on the GOp for ruining Kerry's good name and service to our country. At least Kerry had the guts to actually serve in Vietnam and fight the Commies, in contrast to Bush, who was too much of a coward to fight in Vietnam so he decided to use his daddy's connections to serve in the National Guard instead. So Bush is afraid to fight in wars to protect our citizens yet is unafraid to start them, especially unnecessary ones.

Kerry committed treason by meeting with the North Vietnamese without our permission. Bush busted his ass for the Texas Air National Guard. Daddy's connections are only a figment of the left's imagination. I guess that a document being proven false doesn't matter for the left because they want it to be true. Bush defended this country as he saw necessary. The intelligence reports showed WMD and we found them.
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« Reply #29 on: June 09, 2010, 12:30:35 AM »

Which claim? Look all I'm saying is that if Kerry were Gore's running mate in 2000 we would've had to listen to his crazy flashbacks 4 years earlier than we did.

True, but his flashbacks weren't crazy and were completely true. It is only the GOP's manipulation and lies about those flashbacks which were false and slanderous. Shame on the GOp for ruining Kerry's good name and service to our country. At least Kerry had the guts to actually serve in Vietnam and fight the Commies, in contrast to Bush, who was too much of a coward to fight in Vietnam so he decided to use his daddy's connections to serve in the National Guard instead. So Bush is afraid to fight in wars to protect our citizens yet is unafraid to start them, especially unnecessary ones.

Kerry committed treason by meeting with the North Vietnamese without our permission. Bush busted his ass for the Texas Air National Guard. Daddy's connections are only a figment of the left's imagination. I guess that a document being proven false doesn't matter for the left because they want it to be true. Bush defended this country as he saw necessary. The intelligence reports showed WMD and we found them.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7634313/

There were no WMDs found in Iraq. Even the U.S. govt. has repeatedly said this. Kerry did not meet with the North Vietnamese. Bush did not bust his ass in the National Guard. He jsut relaxed there like a frat boy instead of serving in Vietnam like the govt. told him to do. And you still haven't responded to Joe Republic's (Jeff Vader's) questions.
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« Reply #30 on: June 09, 2010, 02:49:18 PM »

Which claim? Look all I'm saying is that if Kerry were Gore's running mate in 2000 we would've had to listen to his crazy flashbacks 4 years earlier than we did.

True, but his flashbacks weren't crazy and were completely true. It is only the GOP's manipulation and lies about those flashbacks which were false and slanderous. Shame on the GOp for ruining Kerry's good name and service to our country. At least Kerry had the guts to actually serve in Vietnam and fight the Commies, in contrast to Bush, who was too much of a coward to fight in Vietnam so he decided to use his daddy's connections to serve in the National Guard instead. So Bush is afraid to fight in wars to protect our citizens yet is unafraid to start them, especially unnecessary ones.

Kerry committed treason by meeting with the North Vietnamese without our permission. Bush busted his ass for the Texas Air National Guard. Daddy's connections are only a figment of the left's imagination. I guess that a document being proven false doesn't matter for the left because they want it to be true. Bush defended this country as he saw necessary. The intelligence reports showed WMD and we found them.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7634313/

There were no WMDs found in Iraq. Even the U.S. govt. has repeatedly said this. Kerry did not meet with the North Vietnamese. Bush did not bust his ass in the National Guard. He jsut relaxed there like a frat boy instead of serving in Vietnam like the govt. told him to do. And you still haven't responded to Joe Republic's (Jeff Vader's) questions.

You view a situation the way it didn't happen. In fact you probably cut and pasted your words from a left wing propaganda website. WMD's were found in Iraq but the left wants to pretend they weren't found. In 2004 America made the decision to tell Kerry to keep his flashbacks to himself and the same message would've been sent in 2000 at Al Gore's expense.
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« Reply #31 on: June 09, 2010, 06:30:58 PM »

Which claim? Look all I'm saying is that if Kerry were Gore's running mate in 2000 we would've had to listen to his crazy flashbacks 4 years earlier than we did.

True, but his flashbacks weren't crazy and were completely true. It is only the GOP's manipulation and lies about those flashbacks which were false and slanderous. Shame on the GOp for ruining Kerry's good name and service to our country. At least Kerry had the guts to actually serve in Vietnam and fight the Commies, in contrast to Bush, who was too much of a coward to fight in Vietnam so he decided to use his daddy's connections to serve in the National Guard instead. So Bush is afraid to fight in wars to protect our citizens yet is unafraid to start them, especially unnecessary ones.

Kerry committed treason by meeting with the North Vietnamese without our permission. Bush busted his ass for the Texas Air National Guard. Daddy's connections are only a figment of the left's imagination. I guess that a document being proven false doesn't matter for the left because they want it to be true. Bush defended this country as he saw necessary. The intelligence reports showed WMD and we found them.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7634313/

There were no WMDs found in Iraq. Even the U.S. govt. has repeatedly said this. Kerry did not meet with the North Vietnamese. Bush did not bust his ass in the National Guard. He jsut relaxed there like a frat boy instead of serving in Vietnam like the govt. told him to do. And you still haven't responded to Joe Republic's (Jeff Vader's) questions.

You view a situation the way it didn't happen. In fact you probably cut and pasted your words from a left wing propaganda website. WMD's were found in Iraq but the left wants to pretend they weren't found. In 2004 America made the decision to tell Kerry to keep his flashbacks to himself and the same message would've been sent in 2000 at Al Gore's expense.

You're the one who views the situation as it didn't happen. And you still haven't responded to Joe's questions.
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« Reply #32 on: June 09, 2010, 09:38:10 PM »

Which claim? Look all I'm saying is that if Kerry were Gore's running mate in 2000 we would've had to listen to his crazy flashbacks 4 years earlier than we did.

True, but his flashbacks weren't crazy and were completely true. It is only the GOP's manipulation and lies about those flashbacks which were false and slanderous. Shame on the GOp for ruining Kerry's good name and service to our country. At least Kerry had the guts to actually serve in Vietnam and fight the Commies, in contrast to Bush, who was too much of a coward to fight in Vietnam so he decided to use his daddy's connections to serve in the National Guard instead. So Bush is afraid to fight in wars to protect our citizens yet is unafraid to start them, especially unnecessary ones.

Kerry committed treason by meeting with the North Vietnamese without our permission. Bush busted his ass for the Texas Air National Guard. Daddy's connections are only a figment of the left's imagination. I guess that a document being proven false doesn't matter for the left because they want it to be true. Bush defended this country as he saw necessary. The intelligence reports showed WMD and we found them.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7634313/

There were no WMDs found in Iraq. Even the U.S. govt. has repeatedly said this. Kerry did not meet with the North Vietnamese. Bush did not bust his ass in the National Guard. He jsut relaxed there like a frat boy instead of serving in Vietnam like the govt. told him to do. And you still haven't responded to Joe Republic's (Jeff Vader's) questions.

You view a situation the way it didn't happen. In fact you probably cut and pasted your words from a left wing propaganda website. WMD's were found in Iraq but the left wants to pretend they weren't found. In 2004 America made the decision to tell Kerry to keep his flashbacks to himself and the same message would've been sent in 2000 at Al Gore's expense.

You're the one who views the situation as it didn't happen. And you still haven't responded to Joe's questions.

Who is Joe?
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« Reply #33 on: June 09, 2010, 09:49:04 PM »

Which claim? Look all I'm saying is that if Kerry were Gore's running mate in 2000 we would've had to listen to his crazy flashbacks 4 years earlier than we did.

True, but his flashbacks weren't crazy and were completely true. It is only the GOP's manipulation and lies about those flashbacks which were false and slanderous. Shame on the GOp for ruining Kerry's good name and service to our country. At least Kerry had the guts to actually serve in Vietnam and fight the Commies, in contrast to Bush, who was too much of a coward to fight in Vietnam so he decided to use his daddy's connections to serve in the National Guard instead. So Bush is afraid to fight in wars to protect our citizens yet is unafraid to start them, especially unnecessary ones.

Kerry committed treason by meeting with the North Vietnamese without our permission. Bush busted his ass for the Texas Air National Guard. Daddy's connections are only a figment of the left's imagination. I guess that a document being proven false doesn't matter for the left because they want it to be true. Bush defended this country as he saw necessary. The intelligence reports showed WMD and we found them.

Bush was a draft dodger, he didnt even go to drill, and yes his daddy got him in the guar because at that time it took an act of congress to join the guard of the reserves. You live in a fantasy land. And there were never any weapons, and no we never found any. In Febuary 2003 Saddam met with senior military leaders and informed them there were no weapons, and they were stunned because they were counting on them to fight the Allies.
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« Reply #34 on: June 09, 2010, 10:36:05 PM »

Which claim? Look all I'm saying is that if Kerry were Gore's running mate in 2000 we would've had to listen to his crazy flashbacks 4 years earlier than we did.

True, but his flashbacks weren't crazy and were completely true. It is only the GOP's manipulation and lies about those flashbacks which were false and slanderous. Shame on the GOp for ruining Kerry's good name and service to our country. At least Kerry had the guts to actually serve in Vietnam and fight the Commies, in contrast to Bush, who was too much of a coward to fight in Vietnam so he decided to use his daddy's connections to serve in the National Guard instead. So Bush is afraid to fight in wars to protect our citizens yet is unafraid to start them, especially unnecessary ones.

Kerry committed treason by meeting with the North Vietnamese without our permission. Bush busted his ass for the Texas Air National Guard. Daddy's connections are only a figment of the left's imagination. I guess that a document being proven false doesn't matter for the left because they want it to be true. Bush defended this country as he saw necessary. The intelligence reports showed WMD and we found them.

Bush was a draft dodger, he didnt even go to drill, and yes his daddy got him in the guar because at that time it took an act of congress to join the guard of the reserves. You live in a fantasy land. And there were never any weapons, and no we never found any. In Febuary 2003 Saddam met with senior military leaders and informed them there were no weapons, and they were stunned because they were counting on them to fight the Allies.

Clinton was a draft dodger and he hardly denies it. Bush served during Vietnam but was not a Vietnam Veteran. What do you think of Blumenthal? Never mind that's off topic. Bush served while Kerry committed war crimes. I do know however that Saddam Hussein and Donald Rumsfeld played poker together as late as September of 2003. Rumsfeld resigned right before it would've been investigated that he was getting carbon credits from Palestine.
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« Reply #35 on: June 10, 2010, 06:23:24 PM »

Which claim? Look all I'm saying is that if Kerry were Gore's running mate in 2000 we would've had to listen to his crazy flashbacks 4 years earlier than we did.

True, but his flashbacks weren't crazy and were completely true. It is only the GOP's manipulation and lies about those flashbacks which were false and slanderous. Shame on the GOp for ruining Kerry's good name and service to our country. At least Kerry had the guts to actually serve in Vietnam and fight the Commies, in contrast to Bush, who was too much of a coward to fight in Vietnam so he decided to use his daddy's connections to serve in the National Guard instead. So Bush is afraid to fight in wars to protect our citizens yet is unafraid to start them, especially unnecessary ones.

Kerry committed treason by meeting with the North Vietnamese without our permission. Bush busted his ass for the Texas Air National Guard. Daddy's connections are only a figment of the left's imagination. I guess that a document being proven false doesn't matter for the left because they want it to be true. Bush defended this country as he saw necessary. The intelligence reports showed WMD and we found them.

Bush was a draft dodger, he didnt even go to drill, and yes his daddy got him in the guar because at that time it took an act of congress to join the guard of the reserves. You live in a fantasy land. And there were never any weapons, and no we never found any. In Febuary 2003 Saddam met with senior military leaders and informed them there were no weapons, and they were stunned because they were counting on them to fight the Allies.

Clinton was a draft dodger and he hardly denies it. Bush served during Vietnam but was not a Vietnam Veteran. What do you think of Blumenthal? Never mind that's off topic. Bush served while Kerry committed war crimes. I do know however that Saddam Hussein and Donald Rumsfeld played poker together as late as September of 2003. Rumsfeld resigned right before it would've been investigated that he was getting carbon credits from Palestine.

Both Bush and Clinton were draft dodgers. Kerry didn't commit treason. And how can Bush serve in Vietnam without being a Vietnam War veteran?.....Oh wait, Bush didn't serve in Vietnam. How can Saddam Hussein and Rumsfeld play poker after the U.S. invaded Iraq and Saddam was in hiding? Rumself getting carbon credits from Palestine? What the heck? And Joe is Joe Republic, a.k.a. Jeff Vader, to whose question you never responded.
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« Reply #36 on: June 10, 2010, 11:33:48 PM »

there were good reasons for Gore to select moderate hero Joe Lieberman for his running mate. an attempt to turn further to the left after 8 years of Clinton would not have fared well.



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« Reply #37 on: June 11, 2010, 12:13:03 AM »

there were good reasons for Gore to select moderate hero Joe Lieberman for his running mate. an attempt to turn further to the left after 8 years of Clinton would not have fared well.



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I think Kerry would have helped Gore with Nader voters and energizing the base. I also see Kerry helping Gore with moderates due to his war hero status. I really don't see what Lieberman added to the ticket, considering that Gore himself was a centrist.
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« Reply #38 on: June 11, 2010, 12:20:46 AM »

there were good reasons for Gore to select moderate hero Joe Lieberman for his running mate. an attempt to turn further to the left after 8 years of Clinton would not have fared well.



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this result is plausible even if Bush just barely wins a popular plurality


I think Kerry would have helped Gore with Nader voters and energizing the base. I also see Kerry helping Gore with moderates due to his war hero status. I really don't see what Lieberman added to the ticket, considering that Gore himself was a centrist.

Lieberman added Jews in Florida.
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« Reply #39 on: June 11, 2010, 12:37:22 AM »

Which claim? Look all I'm saying is that if Kerry were Gore's running mate in 2000 we would've had to listen to his crazy flashbacks 4 years earlier than we did.

True, but his flashbacks weren't crazy and were completely true. It is only the GOP's manipulation and lies about those flashbacks which were false and slanderous. Shame on the GOp for ruining Kerry's good name and service to our country. At least Kerry had the guts to actually serve in Vietnam and fight the Commies, in contrast to Bush, who was too much of a coward to fight in Vietnam so he decided to use his daddy's connections to serve in the National Guard instead. So Bush is afraid to fight in wars to protect our citizens yet is unafraid to start them, especially unnecessary ones.

Kerry committed treason by meeting with the North Vietnamese without our permission. Bush busted his ass for the Texas Air National Guard. Daddy's connections are only a figment of the left's imagination.

lol no.  While John Kerry was being awarded Purple Hearts, Bronze Stars, and Silver Stars, George W. Bush was snorting coke and sitting on his ass, not busting it.

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« Reply #40 on: June 11, 2010, 12:43:42 AM »

there were good reasons for Gore to select moderate hero Joe Lieberman for his running mate. an attempt to turn further to the left after 8 years of Clinton would not have fared well.



301 - 237
this result is plausible even if Bush just barely wins a popular plurality


I think Kerry would have helped Gore with Nader voters and energizing the base. I also see Kerry helping Gore with moderates due to his war hero status. I really don't see what Lieberman added to the ticket, considering that Gore himself was a centrist.

Lieberman added Jews in Florida.

No, he didn't. Gore essentially got the same % of the Jewish vote that Clinton got in 1992 and 1996.
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« Reply #41 on: June 11, 2010, 12:58:19 AM »

there were good reasons for Gore to select moderate hero Joe Lieberman for his running mate. an attempt to turn further to the left after 8 years of Clinton would not have fared well.



301 - 237
this result is plausible even if Bush just barely wins a popular plurality


I think Kerry would have helped Gore with Nader voters and energizing the base. I also see Kerry helping Gore with moderates due to his war hero status. I really don't see what Lieberman added to the ticket, considering that Gore himself was a centrist.

Lieberman added Jews in Florida.

No, he didn't. Gore essentially got the same % of the Jewish vote that Clinton got in 1992 and 1996.

Yes, he did. It was an accomplishment for Gore to increase his share of the Jewish vote by 1% considering the country as a whole shifted 8 points toward the GOP.
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« Reply #42 on: June 11, 2010, 01:15:33 AM »

there were good reasons for Gore to select moderate hero Joe Lieberman for his running mate. an attempt to turn further to the left after 8 years of Clinton would not have fared well.



301 - 237
this result is plausible even if Bush just barely wins a popular plurality


I think Kerry would have helped Gore with Nader voters and energizing the base. I also see Kerry helping Gore with moderates due to his war hero status. I really don't see what Lieberman added to the ticket, considering that Gore himself was a centrist.

Lieberman added Jews in Florida.

No, he didn't. Gore essentially got the same % of the Jewish vote that Clinton got in 1992 and 1996.

Yes, he did. It was an accomplishment for Gore to increase his share of the Jewish vote by 1% considering the country as a whole shifted 8 points toward the GOP.

Gore got almost the same PV % in 2000 as Clinton did in 1996. Also, Kerry won nearly as much of the Jewish % four years later despite the fact that the country shifted to the right and that Kerry did not have a Jew on his ticket.
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« Reply #43 on: June 11, 2010, 01:21:07 AM »

there were good reasons for Gore to select moderate hero Joe Lieberman for his running mate. an attempt to turn further to the left after 8 years of Clinton would not have fared well.



301 - 237
this result is plausible even if Bush just barely wins a popular plurality


I think Kerry would have helped Gore with Nader voters and energizing the base. I also see Kerry helping Gore with moderates due to his war hero status. I really don't see what Lieberman added to the ticket, considering that Gore himself was a centrist.

Lieberman added Jews in Florida.

No, he didn't. Gore essentially got the same % of the Jewish vote that Clinton got in 1992 and 1996.

Yes, he did. It was an accomplishment for Gore to increase his share of the Jewish vote by 1% considering the country as a whole shifted 8 points toward the GOP.

Gore got almost the same PV % in 2000 as Clinton did in 1996. Also, Kerry won nearly as much of the Jewish % four years later despite the fact that the country shifted to the right and that Kerry did not have a Jew on his ticket.
As mentioned, Gore went down nationally but went up slightly in Florida.

Also Kerry was the Jew on his ticket.
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« Reply #44 on: June 11, 2010, 07:14:35 AM »

there were good reasons for Gore to select moderate hero Joe Lieberman for his running mate. an attempt to turn further to the left after 8 years of Clinton would not have fared well.



301 - 237
this result is plausible even if Bush just barely wins a popular plurality


I think Kerry would have helped Gore with Nader voters and energizing the base. I also see Kerry helping Gore with moderates due to his war hero status. I really don't see what Lieberman added to the ticket, considering that Gore himself was a centrist.

Lieberman added Jews in Florida.

No, he didn't. Gore essentially got the same % of the Jewish vote that Clinton got in 1992 and 1996.

Yes, he did. It was an accomplishment for Gore to increase his share of the Jewish vote by 1% considering the country as a whole shifted 8 points toward the GOP.

Gore got almost the same PV % in 2000 as Clinton did in 1996. Also, Kerry won nearly as much of the Jewish % four years later despite the fact that the country shifted to the right and that Kerry did not have a Jew on his ticket.
As mentioned, Gore went down nationally but went up slightly in Florida.

Also Kerry was the Jew on his ticket.

Umm......John Kerry is Roman Catholic.
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« Reply #45 on: June 11, 2010, 04:44:48 PM »

Which claim? Look all I'm saying is that if Kerry were Gore's running mate in 2000 we would've had to listen to his crazy flashbacks 4 years earlier than we did.

True, but his flashbacks weren't crazy and were completely true. It is only the GOP's manipulation and lies about those flashbacks which were false and slanderous. Shame on the GOp for ruining Kerry's good name and service to our country. At least Kerry had the guts to actually serve in Vietnam and fight the Commies, in contrast to Bush, who was too much of a coward to fight in Vietnam so he decided to use his daddy's connections to serve in the National Guard instead. So Bush is afraid to fight in wars to protect our citizens yet is unafraid to start them, especially unnecessary ones.

Kerry committed treason by meeting with the North Vietnamese without our permission. Bush busted his ass for the Texas Air National Guard. Daddy's connections are only a figment of the left's imagination. I guess that a document being proven false doesn't matter for the left because they want it to be true. Bush defended this country as he saw necessary. The intelligence reports showed WMD and we found them.

Bush was a draft dodger, he didnt even go to drill, and yes his daddy got him in the guar because at that time it took an act of congress to join the guard of the reserves. You live in a fantasy land. And there were never any weapons, and no we never found any. In Febuary 2003 Saddam met with senior military leaders and informed them there were no weapons, and they were stunned because they were counting on them to fight the Allies.

Clinton was a draft dodger and he hardly denies it. Bush served during Vietnam but was not a Vietnam Veteran. What do you think of Blumenthal? Never mind that's off topic. Bush served while Kerry committed war crimes. I do know however that Saddam Hussein and Donald Rumsfeld played poker together as late as September of 2003. Rumsfeld resigned right before it would've been investigated that he was getting carbon credits from Palestine.

Both Bush and Clinton were draft dodgers. Kerry didn't commit treason. And how can Bush serve in Vietnam without being a Vietnam War veteran?.....Oh wait, Bush didn't serve in Vietnam. How can Saddam Hussein and Rumsfeld play poker after the U.S. invaded Iraq and Saddam was in hiding? Rumself getting carbon credits from Palestine? What the heck? And Joe is Joe Republic, a.k.a. Jeff Vader, to whose question you never responded.

Well what was his question? And yes there have been stories at high levels of government that Rumsfeld secretly met with Saddam 6 months after the invasion of Iraq. I never said Bush was a Vietnam Veteran. I said that he served during Vietnam meaning as a part time naval pilot in the Texas Air National Guard. As far as I'm concerned, Bush's service in the Texas Air National Guard doesn't qualify him as a Vietnam Veteran but does not make him a draft dodger. We are forever indebted for his service. Kerry was only a hero to the North Vietnamese as his behavior motivated them to kill our men and spread communism.
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« Reply #46 on: June 11, 2010, 04:45:46 PM »

Which claim? Look all I'm saying is that if Kerry were Gore's running mate in 2000 we would've had to listen to his crazy flashbacks 4 years earlier than we did.

True, but his flashbacks weren't crazy and were completely true. It is only the GOP's manipulation and lies about those flashbacks which were false and slanderous. Shame on the GOp for ruining Kerry's good name and service to our country. At least Kerry had the guts to actually serve in Vietnam and fight the Commies, in contrast to Bush, who was too much of a coward to fight in Vietnam so he decided to use his daddy's connections to serve in the National Guard instead. So Bush is afraid to fight in wars to protect our citizens yet is unafraid to start them, especially unnecessary ones.

Kerry committed treason by meeting with the North Vietnamese without our permission. Bush busted his ass for the Texas Air National Guard. Daddy's connections are only a figment of the left's imagination.

lol no.  While John Kerry was being awarded Purple Hearts, Bronze Stars, and Silver Stars, George W. Bush was snorting coke and sitting on his ass, not busting it.

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« Reply #47 on: June 11, 2010, 04:53:59 PM »

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Kerry hurts Gore where Leibermann helped him. I also think that alot more of Kerry's Vietnam record would've been attacked by the GOP even if it wasn't directly from Bush being that Kerry was only a running mate which is a different story. Bush wins FL about 51-47 and Gore is tied in with an elitist from New England.
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« Reply #48 on: June 11, 2010, 05:04:06 PM »

Which claim? Look all I'm saying is that if Kerry were Gore's running mate in 2000 we would've had to listen to his crazy flashbacks 4 years earlier than we did.

True, but his flashbacks weren't crazy and were completely true. It is only the GOP's manipulation and lies about those flashbacks which were false and slanderous. Shame on the GOp for ruining Kerry's good name and service to our country. At least Kerry had the guts to actually serve in Vietnam and fight the Commies, in contrast to Bush, who was too much of a coward to fight in Vietnam so he decided to use his daddy's connections to serve in the National Guard instead. So Bush is afraid to fight in wars to protect our citizens yet is unafraid to start them, especially unnecessary ones.

Kerry committed treason by meeting with the North Vietnamese without our permission. Bush busted his ass for the Texas Air National Guard. Daddy's connections are only a figment of the left's imagination. I guess that a document being proven false doesn't matter for the left because they want it to be true. Bush defended this country as he saw necessary. The intelligence reports showed WMD and we found them.

Bush was a draft dodger, he didnt even go to drill, and yes his daddy got him in the guar because at that time it took an act of congress to join the guard of the reserves. You live in a fantasy land. And there were never any weapons, and no we never found any. In Febuary 2003 Saddam met with senior military leaders and informed them there were no weapons, and they were stunned because they were counting on them to fight the Allies.

Clinton was a draft dodger and he hardly denies it. Bush served during Vietnam but was not a Vietnam Veteran. What do you think of Blumenthal? Never mind that's off topic. Bush served while Kerry committed war crimes. I do know however that Saddam Hussein and Donald Rumsfeld played poker together as late as September of 2003. Rumsfeld resigned right before it would've been investigated that he was getting carbon credits from Palestine.

Both Bush and Clinton were draft dodgers. Kerry didn't commit treason. And how can Bush serve in Vietnam without being a Vietnam War veteran?.....Oh wait, Bush didn't serve in Vietnam. How can Saddam Hussein and Rumsfeld play poker after the U.S. invaded Iraq and Saddam was in hiding? Rumself getting carbon credits from Palestine? What the heck? And Joe is Joe Republic, a.k.a. Jeff Vader, to whose question you never responded.

Well what was his question? And yes there have been stories at high levels of government that Rumsfeld secretly met with Saddam 6 months after the invasion of Iraq. I never said Bush was a Vietnam Veteran. I said that he served during Vietnam meaning as a part time naval pilot in the Texas Air National Guard. As far as I'm concerned, Bush's service in the Texas Air National Guard doesn't qualify him as a Vietnam Veteran but does not make him a draft dodger. We are forever indebted for his service. Kerry was only a hero to the North Vietnamese as his behavior motivated them to kill our men and spread communism.

This was Joe's (Jeff Vader's question), which you never responded to:

Do you have proof for that claim, Derek?  It must be said that your other assertions in the past have been... well... baloney.

He flew Jane Fonda around in Vietnam...

... he earned himself a spot in the North Vietnamese War Museum dedicated to the northern victory in the 70's.

BTW, you watching Fox News and then spreading all these lies about Kerry is a large reason why people on this Forum don't take you seriously. Just saying.
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« Reply #49 on: June 11, 2010, 05:06:47 PM »

Which claim? Look all I'm saying is that if Kerry were Gore's running mate in 2000 we would've had to listen to his crazy flashbacks 4 years earlier than we did.

True, but his flashbacks weren't crazy and were completely true. It is only the GOP's manipulation and lies about those flashbacks which were false and slanderous. Shame on the GOp for ruining Kerry's good name and service to our country. At least Kerry had the guts to actually serve in Vietnam and fight the Commies, in contrast to Bush, who was too much of a coward to fight in Vietnam so he decided to use his daddy's connections to serve in the National Guard instead. So Bush is afraid to fight in wars to protect our citizens yet is unafraid to start them, especially unnecessary ones.

Kerry committed treason by meeting with the North Vietnamese without our permission. Bush busted his ass for the Texas Air National Guard. Daddy's connections are only a figment of the left's imagination. I guess that a document being proven false doesn't matter for the left because they want it to be true. Bush defended this country as he saw necessary. The intelligence reports showed WMD and we found them.

Bush was a draft dodger, he didnt even go to drill, and yes his daddy got him in the guar because at that time it took an act of congress to join the guard of the reserves. You live in a fantasy land. And there were never any weapons, and no we never found any. In Febuary 2003 Saddam met with senior military leaders and informed them there were no weapons, and they were stunned because they were counting on them to fight the Allies.

Clinton was a draft dodger and he hardly denies it. Bush served during Vietnam but was not a Vietnam Veteran. What do you think of Blumenthal? Never mind that's off topic. Bush served while Kerry committed war crimes. I do know however that Saddam Hussein and Donald Rumsfeld played poker together as late as September of 2003. Rumsfeld resigned right before it would've been investigated that he was getting carbon credits from Palestine.

Both Bush and Clinton were draft dodgers. Kerry didn't commit treason. And how can Bush serve in Vietnam without being a Vietnam War veteran?.....Oh wait, Bush didn't serve in Vietnam. How can Saddam Hussein and Rumsfeld play poker after the U.S. invaded Iraq and Saddam was in hiding? Rumself getting carbon credits from Palestine? What the heck? And Joe is Joe Republic, a.k.a. Jeff Vader, to whose question you never responded.

Well what was his question? And yes there have been stories at high levels of government that Rumsfeld secretly met with Saddam 6 months after the invasion of Iraq. I never said Bush was a Vietnam Veteran. I said that he served during Vietnam meaning as a part time naval pilot in the Texas Air National Guard. As far as I'm concerned, Bush's service in the Texas Air National Guard doesn't qualify him as a Vietnam Veteran but does not make him a draft dodger. We are forever indebted for his service. Kerry was only a hero to the North Vietnamese as his behavior motivated them to kill our men and spread communism.

This was Joe's (Jeff Vader's question), which you never responded to:

Do you have proof for that claim, Derek?  It must be said that your other assertions in the past have been... well... baloney.

He flew Jane Fonda around in Vietnam...

... he earned himself a spot in the North Vietnamese War Museum dedicated to the northern victory in the 70's.

BTW, you watching Fox News and then spreading all these lies about Kerry is a large reason why people on this Forum don't take you seriously. Just saying.

I've talked to the higher ups in the government and no I don't have proof that I talked to them. Whatever happened to trust? I guess that's part of what's been changed in America since last year.
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