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« on: August 11, 2007, 12:18:28 AM »

Is there one?  Yes? No?  Maybe?
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« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2007, 12:28:20 AM »
« Edited: August 11, 2007, 12:44:59 AM by Verily »

Windsor. Used to be Saxe-Coburg-Gotha before World War I; they changed it to be less German. Prince Charles's last name is Mountbatten-Windsor, however, though the Royal Family will continue to be called House Windsor when he ascends the throne.

From George I through Victoria, the royal family's surname was "Hanover", as the House of Hanover.

Before George I's predecessor Anne, who died without issue, back to James I, the royal family was Stuart.

Before James I, Elizabeth I back to Henry VII were Tudors, then before them Yorks and Lancasters intermittently. ("Tudor" was the artificial surname for the united families of York and Lancaster after Henry VII married Elizabeth of York.)

Before the Yorks and Lancasters, the rulers were the Plantagenets, though technically all subsequent Houses are also descended in some form from House Plantagenet, York and Lancaster having been feuding branches of that House.

Before the Plantagenets, Matilda and Stephen were of House Blesevin, but, before Matilda (who is generally not considered a monarch in her own right anyway), the rulers had no family name, though they were probably called "Norman" and then, further back, "Wessex" for their lands of origin.
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« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2007, 12:37:55 AM »

ok so Windsor is it.  I had heard of Mountbatten but I didn't know if that was just some of their last names.  idk.  So Harry and William's last name is Windsor?  cool.  thanks.  I appreciate it.
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« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2007, 12:39:08 AM »

Thanks again Verily.
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« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2007, 12:44:25 AM »

William and Harry's last names are Mountbatten-Windsor, but they are of the House of Windsor. It is possible that the name may be reshortened to Windsor at some point; Mountbatten was added as a result of Prince Phillip's marriage to Elizabeth II. When acting in a civilian position, both William and Harry sometimes use the surname "Wales" as the sons of the Prince of Wales, but that is not their surname.
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« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2007, 12:48:18 AM »

ok thanks.  cool info
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« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2007, 04:29:25 AM »

The normal thing would be for the Queen to be of the House of Windsor, but for Prince Philip's descendants to be of the House of Mountbatten... as happened with Victoria... why aren't they following that practice?
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« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2007, 05:54:47 AM »

The normal thing would be for the Queen to be of the House of Windsor, but for Prince Philip's descendants to be of the House of Mountbatten... as happened with Victoria... why aren't they following that practice?

Prince Philip is no Prince Albert.  He's not even in a can. Wink
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« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2007, 06:02:43 AM »

The Wikipedia article on the House of Windsor has some useful information on the Windsor surname and the name of the Royal House. In essence, both are controlled by Letters Patent issued by Elizabeth II early in her reign, and therefore have force of Law.
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« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2007, 10:41:01 AM »

Of course, before the Anglicanisation (which I approve of), Prince Charles' surname would have been Battenberg (Mounbatten)-Saxe-Coburg-Gotha (Windsor)

I've known people, who oppose the monarchy, to scornfully refer to the Queen as "Betty Battenberg"

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« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2007, 11:05:26 AM »

The normal thing would be for the Queen to be of the House of Windsor, but for Prince Philip's descendants to be of the House of Mountbatten... as happened with Victoria... why aren't they following that practice?

I don't know whether this had anything to do with it but when William IV died, Victoria, because of Salic Law, did not inherit the Kingdom of Hanover. It passed to her uncle, Ernest Augustus. Indeed, by the time of Victoria's death in 1901, Hanover had ceased to exist as a sovereign kingdom; it having been annexed by Prussia following the Austro-Prussian War in which Hanover had sided with Austria. Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, however, was still in existence as of 1901 having been allied with Prussia in said war.

Basically, the name of the British Royal House could have changed either as a result of a) the marriage and/or b) an evident breach between the British and Hanoverian branches of the House of Hanover

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« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2007, 11:47:50 AM »

its the 'United Kingdom' Not England.
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« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2007, 04:24:03 AM »

Upon checking things a bit further... Philip and Charles are no Battenbergs either, really. Their real surname should be von Oldenburg. Tongue
Of course, the "House of Hanover" would from the pedant's point of view be surnamed d'Este.
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« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2007, 08:34:24 AM »

Tis unfortunate. I think Saxe-Coburg-Gotha sounds kewler than Windsor.
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« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2007, 09:00:28 AM »

Tis unfortunate. I think Saxe-Coburg-Gotha sounds kewler than Windsor.

You know, the former royal family of Bulgaria (I think; it could be Romania) was/still is the house of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha.
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« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2007, 09:10:08 AM »

Tis unfortunate. I think Saxe-Coburg-Gotha sounds kewler than Windsor.

You know, the former royal family of Bulgaria (I think; it could be Romania) was/still is the house of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha.
I didn't know that.
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« Reply #16 on: August 12, 2007, 10:25:13 AM »

Tis unfortunate. I think Saxe-Coburg-Gotha sounds kewler than Windsor.

You know, the former royal family of Bulgaria (I think; it could be Romania) was/still is the house of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha.
I didn't know that.

Bulgaria. Actually, the former child-Tsar of Bulgaria, Simeon, who came back to his country, entered politics and was, for a while, its PM, did so under the name Simeon Sakskoburggotski.  No joke here Smiley
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« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2007, 12:54:23 PM »

Upon checking things a bit further... Philip and Charles are no Battenbergs either, really. Their real surname should be von Oldenburg. Tongue

Of course, Battenberg was the family name of Philip's mother, Princess Alice

Shouldn't Philip and Charles' name, strictly speaking, be Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg, which was the family name of Philip's father, Andrew of Greece?

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« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2007, 12:58:02 PM »

Tis unfortunate. I think Saxe-Coburg-Gotha sounds kewler than Windsor.

Not so cool if you knew that the Duchy of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha was the only country to recognize the independence of the CSA.
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« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2007, 02:11:19 PM »

Tis unfortunate. I think Saxe-Coburg-Gotha sounds kewler than Windsor.

Not so cool if you knew that the Duchy of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha was the only country to recognize the independence of the CSA.
I never said the dynasty was good I just said the name was kewl.
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