Tony Blair

[Bono]

I think the reason the Tories don't win elections is because they are too much on the left. That disencourages their tradicional electorate who either votes for the BNP or the UKIP, or does not vote at all. They should come up with a Project to Return Morals to British Life.
Also, they should be much more vocal in their opositon of the EU's ever-increasing regultaions, which are strangling the european economy everywhere, as Milton Friedman warned recently, and they should also be more vocal oposing Blair's increasing statism and defending personal intiative.
I totally disaprove of Blair, he is blatant statist. the only good thing he's ever done was devolution, but that should go farther. More powers should be returned to the counties.

[Bono]

I think the reason the Tories don't win elections is because they are too much on the left. That disencourages their tradicional electorate who either votes for the BNP or the UKIP, or does not vote at all. They should come up with a Project to Return Morals to British Life.
Also, they should be much more vocal in their opositon of the EU's ever-increasing regultaions, which are strangling the european economy everywhere, as Milton Friedman warned recently, and they should also be more vocal oposing Blair's increasing statism and defending personal intiative.
I totally disaprove of Blair, he is blatant statist. the only good thing he's ever done was devolution, but that should go farther. More powers should be returned to the counties.

What's that called? "Third Party by 2005" perhaps?

That's preferable than selling out to statism. And would be win back the votes the BNP and the UKIP have previously "stolen" from the Tories.

Call me right wing nut if you want. THe future will prove me right. Britain has started to go down the slipery path of statism. The right muse to take her back.

[Bono]

English,
Chill.
When i said that Morals stuff, I wasn't serious, I know it's a waste of time to try to improve Britain's terribly low moral standarts. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the state of morals in the UK is terrible, sin't it? You must allmost take a vote of immorality to live there?

[Bono]

English,
Chill.
When i said that Morals stuff, I wasn't serious, I know it's a waste of time to try to improve Britain's terribly low moral standarts. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the state of morals in the UK is terrible, sin't it? You must allmost take a vote of immorality to live there?

It depends what you mean by 'low moral standards'. If you mean rudeness and selfishness, I'm afraid I'd agree with you. However if (as I suspect) you mean gay/minority and womans rights I'd obviously disagree.

Neither is true. My measure of morality is: What percentage of sexual relations does uncomited sex represent? If it's more then 40%, it's allready bad.

P.S.--One night

[Bono]

Well personally I agree with monogamy. The whole idea for me is to be with a person in a serious relationship. People who sleep around are just a bit pathetic really, they're obviously not mature enough to handle a relationship. Is this any worse in Britain than other nations? No, I wouldn't say so. I'm sure there are just as many promiscuous people in the US, Canada and France as there are in Britain.
Fundamentally however it's about choice. If people want to have sex with a different person every week, that's up to them. Who am I to tell someone how to live their life?

I'd say it is, but I may have only a distorced view of Britain, coming from books and Tv shows. So remember, don't quote me on it.
You don't have to tell them how to live their lives.  Just give them little incentives to live morally.
BTW, I forgot to mention the huge alcoholism rate and the drug consuption.

I'd say it is, but I may have only a distorced view of Britain, coming from books and Tv shows. So remember, don't quote me on it.
You don't have to tell them how to live their lives.  Just give them little incentives to live morally.
BTW, I forgot to mention the huge alcoholism rate and the drug consuption.

[Bono]

Well personally I agree with monogamy. The whole idea for me is to be with a person in a serious relationship. People who sleep around are just a bit pathetic really, they're obviously not mature enough to handle a relationship. Is this any worse in Britain than other nations? No, I wouldn't say so. I'm sure there are just as many promiscuous people in the US, Canada and France as there are in Britain.
Fundamentally however it's about choice. If people want to have sex with a different person every week, that's up to them. Who am I to tell someone how to live their life?

I'd say it is, but I may have only a distorced view of Britain, coming from books and Tv shows. So remember, don't quote me on it.
You don't have to tell them how to live their lives.  Just give them little incentives to live morally.

Surely Britain's problems should be left to the people of Britain to address? If I waltzed in here and said "Portugal's this, Portugese people are that, I've never been to Portugal but I read it in a book so it must be true" I bet you would absolutely hit the ROOF accusing me of xenophobia and nationalism and hatred and whatnot. But since you're the one doing the accusing it's perfectly alright, is it? There's a word for it. It's called hypocrisy.8/quote]

Go create a thread about portuguses problems then. Yea, all those things happen in Portugal, just at a lesser degree. But this thread was allways about Britain.

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Yes, uniquely British problems, I'm sure.

But of course the very notion of perhaps asking WHY the majority of western nations are increasingly lacking in some kind of firm moral code would never occur to you. Perhaps it's due to growing materialism stemming from an increasingly unregulated form of Capitalism? Perhaps religious beliefs (et al) have become almost irrelevant in a social spectrum entirely geared towards the idea of increasing's one wealth and ultimately satisfying one's own achievements without any emphasis on our social conscience? Perhaps many of society's problems, such as the increasing crime rate, are in fact due to the very ideology free marketists have spawned?

No.[/quote]