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« Reply #25 on: August 15, 2007, 12:03:39 AM »

Although I'm sure it'd be quite good to eat, for ethical reasons I do support the ban on it.
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« Reply #26 on: August 15, 2007, 12:33:59 AM »

The arguement that forcefeeding ducks/geese is a detriment to their health is a laughable arguement, considering that they're being bred solely to be killed.

That doesn't mean their life should be a torturous existence up to the point of death.  It seems perfectly possible to give your animals a decent standard of living up until the point of killing them for their meat.

But of course, this would require humans to recognize that animals are actually living beings who can feel pain and pleasure, which is not likely to happen anytime soon. Tongue

Well, I don't know I necessarily agree that being force over-fed is torture.  Pretty uncomfortable, yeah, but it's not torture.  The real torture often comes during the overly-speedy killing process, where an animal is mortally wounded and often skinned before it has completely died.
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« Reply #27 on: August 15, 2007, 12:37:10 AM »

Yes, it should be legal.

The arguement that forcefeeding ducks/geese is a detriment to their health is a laughable arguement, considering that they're being bred solely to be killed.

The means of making it aren't great, but then again, if you're going to ban this, you'll probably wind up having to ban every single meat on the planet for the same kind of cruelty concerns.

The argument that "we kill other animals, too" doesn't fly. We don't force-feed any other animals to the point of their stomachs exploding, either. It isn't about being detrimental to their health, it's about the torture aspect.

I will admit that it's a fuzzy logic argument with no absolute line, but isn't everything? (If everything isn't, then you're using fuzzy logic to say so... ha!)

I hope you don't eat chicken.
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« Reply #28 on: August 15, 2007, 10:12:02 AM »

No. The practice of force-feeding a goose against its will doesn't rest well with me

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« Reply #29 on: August 15, 2007, 10:27:01 AM »

Yes, it should be legal.

The arguement that forcefeeding ducks/geese is a detriment to their health is a laughable arguement, considering that they're being bred solely to be killed.

The means of making it aren't great, but then again, if you're going to ban this, you'll probably wind up having to ban every single meat on the planet for the same kind of cruelty concerns.

The argument that "we kill other animals, too" doesn't fly. We don't force-feed any other animals to the point of their stomachs exploding, either. It isn't about being detrimental to their health, it's about the torture aspect.

I will admit that it's a fuzzy logic argument with no absolute line, but isn't everything? (If everything isn't, then you're using fuzzy logic to say so... ha!)

I hope you don't eat chicken.

What? Kept in small pens, fed lots of corn mixed with steroids, then have their heads chopped off? I have been in an industrial chicken coop before. That's bad, but not nearly so bad.
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« Reply #30 on: August 15, 2007, 10:38:43 AM »

Yes, it should be legal.

The arguement that forcefeeding ducks/geese is a detriment to their health is a laughable arguement, considering that they're being bred solely to be killed.

The means of making it aren't great, but then again, if you're going to ban this, you'll probably wind up having to ban every single meat on the planet for the same kind of cruelty concerns.

The argument that "we kill other animals, too" doesn't fly. We don't force-feed any other animals to the point of their stomachs exploding, either. It isn't about being detrimental to their health, it's about the torture aspect.

I will admit that it's a fuzzy logic argument with no absolute line, but isn't everything? (If everything isn't, then you're using fuzzy logic to say so... ha!)

I hope you don't eat chicken.

What? Kept in small pens, fed lots of corn mixed with steroids, then have their heads chopped off? I have been in an industrial chicken coop before. That's bad, but not nearly so bad.

Chickens are about the easiest of the animals to kill.  After all, you can't just cut a cow's head off.
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« Reply #31 on: August 15, 2007, 11:48:27 AM »

Yes, it should be legal.

The arguement that forcefeeding ducks/geese is a detriment to their health is a laughable arguement, considering that they're being bred solely to be killed.

The means of making it aren't great, but then again, if you're going to ban this, you'll probably wind up having to ban every single meat on the planet for the same kind of cruelty concerns.

The argument that "we kill other animals, too" doesn't fly. We don't force-feed any other animals to the point of their stomachs exploding, either. It isn't about being detrimental to their health, it's about the torture aspect.

I will admit that it's a fuzzy logic argument with no absolute line, but isn't everything? (If everything isn't, then you're using fuzzy logic to say so... ha!)

I hope you don't eat chicken.

What? Kept in small pens, fed lots of corn mixed with steroids, then have their heads chopped off? I have been in an industrial chicken coop before. That's bad, but not nearly so bad.

Chickens are about the easiest of the animals to kill.  After all, you can't just cut a cow's head off.

Well, maybe YOU can't.
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« Reply #32 on: August 15, 2007, 11:56:24 AM »

Most slaughterers just have a very large hammer that hits the cow square between the eyes. And actually when a cow dies under stress the meat is much better tasting and better quality then the meat of cows that have been relaxed and "humanely" slaughtered. Being that I work in a part of my industry where meat is the most moved commodity I know quite a few quality control people and buyers who regularly visit slaughter houses.
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« Reply #33 on: August 15, 2007, 12:32:24 PM »

Most slaughterers just have a very large hammer that hits the cow square between the eyes. And actually when a cow dies under stress the meat is much better tasting and better quality then the meat of cows that have been relaxed and "humanely" slaughtered.
So if we smack you between the eyes with a large hammer, will you taste better?

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« Reply #34 on: August 15, 2007, 12:33:18 PM »

Most slaughterers just have a very large hammer that hits the cow square between the eyes. And actually when a cow dies under stress the meat is much better tasting and better quality then the meat of cows that have been relaxed and "humanely" slaughtered.
So if we smack you between the eyes with a large hammer, will you taste better?

Cheesy

An Opebo comment just came to mind, but nah, I won't say it. hahahaha
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« Reply #35 on: August 15, 2007, 12:41:01 PM »


I personally don't eat any meat except for line-caught wild tuna.  Am I allowed to hold an opinion on the subject? Tongue
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« Reply #36 on: August 15, 2007, 12:41:53 PM »

I bet Terri Schiavo would have been delicious.
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« Reply #37 on: August 15, 2007, 06:39:05 PM »

I'll agree that concerns for the long term health of an animal that's going to be slaughtered in a couple of weeks is silly. I'm not convinced that the force-feeding method described is necessarily torture, so I'll say it should be legal.
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« Reply #38 on: August 15, 2007, 06:59:03 PM »

Of course, even though I prefer just plain duck meat in general.
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« Reply #39 on: August 15, 2007, 07:03:56 PM »

Not really sure, but I'll certainly never eat it. Ditto with veal.
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« Reply #40 on: August 15, 2007, 07:06:39 PM »

Not really sure, but I'll certainly never eat it. Ditto with veal.
Veal is good. The cruelty makes it taste that much sweeter.
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« Reply #41 on: August 16, 2007, 02:29:43 AM »

This being an issue goes too far. Ducks aren't people for goodness sake and you don't eat your pets.
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« Reply #42 on: August 18, 2007, 05:15:26 PM »

Yes it should be legal, but it looks disgusting. Ick.
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