Your Ideology? The Poll

[© tweed]

I don't really like religion being dragged into politics.

[Gustaf]

I don't really like religion being dragged into politics.

Well, if it's part of one's belief system it's natural.

[migrendel]

I find it very difficult to call Christianity and Socialism logical coalition partners. Karl Marx, the man every Socialist must ultimately acknowledge as the philosopher whose ideas are most influential towards their own (even though I'm personally more interested in Marcuse, Lukacs, and Althusser), felt that religion was an inherently capitalistic institution which gave support to an unfair hierarchy. He also identified Christianity as the worst offender. I know Realpolitik feels that the first Socialists were various dissenters who formed communal societies, but I would ask you to name any Socialist/Communist theorist outside of the Christian Socialist movement whoever claimed them to be an influence. I know Keir Hardie became a Christian at George Lansbury's suggestion, but his influence is dwarfed compared with Sidney and Beatrice Webb and other members of the Fabian Society, and it's difficult to say that his views were fundamentally based upon Christianity, considering that he held them when he was secularist. Christianity and Socialism are strange bedfellows indeed.

[Gustaf]

I find it very difficult to call Christianity and Socialism logical coalition partners. Karl Marx, the man every Socialist must ultimately acknowledge as the philosopher whose ideas are most influential towards their own (even though I'm personally more interested in Marcuse, Lukacs, and Althusser), felt that religion was an inherently capitalistic institution which gave support to an unfair hierarchy. He also identified Christianity as the worst offender. I know Realpolitik feels that the first Socialists were various dissenters who formed communal societies, but I would ask you to name any Socialist/Communist theorist outside of the Christian Socialist movement whoever claimed them to be an influence. I know Keir Hardie became a Christian at George Lansbury's suggestion, but his influence is dwarfed compared with Sidney and Beatrice Webb and other members of the Fabian Society, and it's difficult to say that his views were fundamentally based upon Christianity, considering that he held them when he was secularist. Christianity and Socialism are strange bedfellows indeed.

I don't think Marx should be viewed as the fouding father of socialism, only of Communism. My dad would go nuts if someone suggested that idea to him...

[migrendel]

I find it very difficult to believe that Socialism could have developed without Marx. While he himself called his theory Communism, it was far from the fare offered by Stalin, Mao, or Enver Hoxha. I would consider myself a pure Marxist, ideologically. I don't wish to formally associate myself with either Socialism or Communism, because, truth be told, I wouldn't necessarily vote for either one of them down the line.

I would be well suited to form my own political organization, with a name like the Progressive Workers Party (which would be ironic, considering most of my members would be in academia), or the Liberal Communist Party. Yet, this is not viable.

I cannot vote for the Socialist ticket this year, because it was recently discovered that the Socialist candidate personally supports the ban on Partial-Birth Abortion. This is appalling to the vast majority of the party, and there is a significant movement to force a resignation. However, it is hard to say that I can in good conscience support a party that would let a mistake like this slip through the cracks.

I am sad to say that Marxism has little chance in America, considering how the power structure has brainwashed the working class to accept the petty trifles of consumerism, and exploit the issue of Atheism to turn progressives against it. We are a religious country, and a greedy one, and all of these things don't mix.

I henceforth decide to support the Democratic party, for it an established entity with demonstrated power, and if we bore from within, we can turn it into a laboratory for radical thought.

[Gustaf]

I find it very difficult to believe that Socialism could have developed without Marx. While he himself called his theory Communism, it was far from the fare offered by Stalin, Mao, or Enver Hoxha. I would consider myself a pure Marxist, ideologically. I don't wish to formally associate myself with either Socialism or Communism, because, truth be told, I wouldn't necessarily vote for either one of them down the line.

I would be well suited to form my own political organization, with a name like the Progressive Workers Party (which would be ironic, considering most of my members would be in academia), or the Liberal Communist Party. Yet, this is not viable.

I cannot vote for the Socialist ticket this year, because it was recently discovered that the Socialist candidate personally supports the ban on Partial-Birth Abortion. This is appalling to the vast majority of the party, and there is a significant movement to force a resignation. However, it is hard to say that I can in good conscience support a party that would let a mistake like this slip through the cracks.

I am sad to say that Marxism has little chance in America, considering how the power structure has brainwashed the working class to accept the petty trifles of consumerism, and exploit the issue of Atheism to turn progressives against it. We are a religious country, and a greedy one, and all of these things don't mix.

I henceforth decide to support the Democratic party, for it an established entity with demonstrated power, and if we bore from within, we can turn it into a laboratory for radical thought.

Oh, there were others, this guy whose name begins with an L and was killed in a fight over a woman? I think he was French, or German.

[Gustaf]

I find it very difficult to believe that Socialism could have developed without Marx. While he himself called his theory Communism, it was far from the fare offered by Stalin, Mao, or Enver Hoxha. I would consider myself a pure Marxist, ideologically. I don't wish to formally associate myself with either Socialism or Communism, because, truth be told, I wouldn't necessarily vote for either one of them down the line.

I would be well suited to form my own political organization, with a name like the Progressive Workers Party (which would be ironic, considering most of my members would be in academia), or the Liberal Communist Party. Yet, this is not viable.

I cannot vote for the Socialist ticket this year, because it was recently discovered that the Socialist candidate personally supports the ban on Partial-Birth Abortion. This is appalling to the vast majority of the party, and there is a significant movement to force a resignation. However, it is hard to say that I can in good conscience support a party that would let a mistake like this slip through the cracks.

I am sad to say that Marxism has little chance in America, considering how the power structure has brainwashed the working class to accept the petty trifles of consumerism, and exploit the issue of Atheism to turn progressives against it. We are a religious country, and a greedy one, and all of these things don't mix.

I henceforth decide to support the Democratic party, for it an established entity with demonstrated power, and if we bore from within, we can turn it into a laboratory for radical thought.

Oh, there were others, this guy whose name begins with an L and was killed in a fight over a woman? I think he was French, or German.

Lasalle?

[minionofmidas]

Ferdinand Lassalle was a German.
Though I prefer Louis-Auguste Blanqui and Gerrard Winstanley...
Socialism could of course have developed without Karl Marx's writings, but it would not have been exactly the same. Is that a nice compromise formula?
As for the religious impetus, I share a bit of that myself, but I'm definitely not a Christian. Call me an unaffiliated Monotheist.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Christianity and Socialism strange bedfellows, eh?
Ever read the Sermon on the Mount before?

Most religions stress equality to some degree, and my branch of Christianity more than most.

Marx was an excellent economist, but some of his theories were... a bit... wrong.

[Gustaf]

Christianity and Socialism strange bedfellows, eh?
Ever read the Sermon on the Mount before?

Most religions stress equality to some degree, and my branch of Christianity more than most.

Marx was an excellent economist, but some of his theories were... a bit... wrong.

A bit yes...I always thought that reformist socialism, social democracy, proved that one of Marx fundamental ideas, the necessity of revolution, was wrong, and that kind of undermines him in my opinion.

[© tweed]

44% of the people here are socialists?  where are they all?

[Gustaf]

44% of the people here are socialists?  where are they all?

That is seriously weird...

[PD]

Mine is not on here. I would be a Far Right-Wing Conservative. And I am a Christian and a Very Strong Supporter of Capitalism. And by liberal standards, I'm probably a Fascist, too.

[© tweed]

I'm probably a Fascist, too.

Remember that poll that htmldon made

[PD]

I'm probably a Fascist, too.

Remember that poll that htmldon made

Yeah, I remember. I thought about mentioning that, but decided against it.                              

[Gustaf]

What's the difference between conservative and far-right conservative, in principle? Having both of these in an 8-option poll makes no sense.

[NHPolitico]

Conservative. I'm a Federalist. George Washington, Ben Franklin, John Jay, Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, etc.

[Huckleberry Finn]

After thorough consideration I have defined myself as Christian Democtrat/Paternalistic Conservative. I don't like an idea that politics should be connected with religion, but of these my selfmade alternatives this is best to describe my views. Maybe moderate conservatism would be best choice at least in European scale.

I believe the capitalism and I DON'T believe that economical equality is eventual or just purpose. BUT I also believe that we have some responsibility for those who can't care themselves.

I can't identifield myself as liberal because of my strict   opinions on some social issues. I am also fairly conservative on international politics.

[© tweed]

Conservative. I'm a Federalist. George Washington, Ben Franklin, John Jay, Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, etc.

You're also a protectionist (puke)

[NHPolitico]

Conservative. I'm a Federalist. George Washington, Ben Franklin, John Jay, Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, etc.

You're also a protectionist (puke)

I'm an economic nationalist patriot. America First!  Our industrial base is eroding, factories are closing, and manufacturing jobs are moving overseas, and I refuse to stop supporting candidates who believe that we shouldn't worship at the altar of that golden globalism calf.

[Huckleberry Finn]

Conservative. I'm a Federalist. George Washington, Ben Franklin, John Jay, Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, etc.

You're also a protectionist (puke)

I'm an economic nationalist patriot. America First!  Our industrial base is eroding, factories are closing, and manufacturing jobs are moving overseas, and I refuse to stop supporting candidates who believe that we shouldn't worship at the altar of that golden globalism calf.

I can understand your point. We have same problem in Finland.

[Gustaf]

Conservative. I'm a Federalist. George Washington, Ben Franklin, John Jay, Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, etc.

You're also a protectionist (puke)

I'm an economic nationalist patriot. America First!  Our industrial base is eroding, factories are closing, and manufacturing jobs are moving overseas, and I refuse to stop supporting candidates who believe that we shouldn't worship at the altar of that golden globalism calf.

I can understand your point. We have same problem in Finland.

You got Nokia...

[Huckleberry Finn]

Conservative. I'm a Federalist. George Washington, Ben Franklin, John Jay, Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, etc.

You're also a protectionist (puke)

I'm an economic nationalist patriot. America First!  Our industrial base is eroding, factories are closing, and manufacturing jobs are moving overseas, and I refuse to stop supporting candidates who believe that we shouldn't worship at the altar of that golden globalism calf.

I can understand your point. We have same problem in Finland.

You got Nokia...

Yes we do.

But high-tech industry is shifting to China, to Estonia etc. I fear that only research and development are staying.

[Gustaf]

Conservative. I'm a Federalist. George Washington, Ben Franklin, John Jay, Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, etc.

You're also a protectionist (puke)

I'm an economic nationalist patriot. America First!  Our industrial base is eroding, factories are closing, and manufacturing jobs are moving overseas, and I refuse to stop supporting candidates who believe that we shouldn't worship at the altar of that golden globalism calf.

I can understand your point. We have same problem in Finland.

You got Nokia...

Yes we do.

But high-tech industry is shifting to China, to Estonia etc. I fear that only research and development are staying.

Yeah, but western countries still have a lot of advantages. In the longer run it will all even out, as the poorer countries get richer and experience rising living standards their wages will rise to our levels. And they'll also get inflation  from the risig demand as people get more money.

[Huckleberry Finn]

Conservative. I'm a Federalist. George Washington, Ben Franklin, John Jay, Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, etc.

You're also a protectionist (puke)

I'm an economic nationalist patriot. America First!  Our industrial base is eroding, factories are closing, and manufacturing jobs are moving overseas, and I refuse to stop supporting candidates who believe that we shouldn't worship at the altar of that golden globalism calf.

I can understand your point. We have same problem in Finland.

You got Nokia...

Yes we do.

But high-tech industry is shifting to China, to Estonia etc. I fear that only research and development are staying.

Yeah, but western countries still have a lot of advantages. In the longer run it will all even out, as the poorer countries get richer and experience rising living standards their wages will rise to our levels. And they'll also get inflation  from the risig demand as people get more money.

It is clear that in the long run globalization will benefit developing countries and all of us, but there also will be huge problems. Change is unavoidable, but it is also tough.