Who was the candidate of big business in 2000?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Option 2.

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nader

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

nader

Well if he had a chance they'd no doubt prefer him to Gore, a true hero of the working class.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

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http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=466

Of course certain businesses preferred Bush to Gore (The majority actually; especially if involved in Extraction of resources or Texan or etc.) Gore also played a major role in the rise of Private Prisons (one of the major private prison operators is Tennessee based) but sadly I can't find a proper link right now.

[NDN]

Obviously both. Anyone who says otherwise is in denial.

[David S]

Gully Foyle- Very nice research job there. Excellent post.

[opebo]

Obviously both. Anyone who says otherwise is in denial.

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Absolutely correct.  No one who did not serve their interests would be allowed anywhere near the presidency.

[Boris]

Both, obviously. That's how their respective campaigns received funding. Although I'm sure the upper echelon of the big business hierarchy found Bush's tax cut proposals more appealing than Gore's lockbox.

[Colin]

Both, though they did represent different, and often competing, business interests.

Gore, a true hero of the working class.

LOL

[Angel of Death]

Remember, it was called "Billionaires for Bush (or Gore)".

Oh, and BRTD hates democracy.

[Gabu]

BRTD: needing and failing to have his opinions validated by the masses since 1983!

[Lief 🗽]

Both, but Bush moreso.

[Rob]

Why can't I vote for both?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

There are a few cases though where I'd say being the candidate of big business is a good thing. Only very few though.

-The alcohol industry
-The pornography industry
-The "adult entertainment" industry
-The video game industry
-The gambling industry

If I were a politician I'd be a complete 100% shill for big business in these categories. However I'd strongly oppose big business in general, especially with things like Big Tobacco, Big Oil, Wal-Mart, etc. The problem is that jokes like Nader attack the Democrats and Gore for supporting the above industries! They don't realize that in those scenarios the corporations ARE the good guys.

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Gore was the candidate of some big businesses. Bush was the candidate of every corrupt big business CEO.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

There are a few cases though where I'd say being the candidate of big business is a good thing. Only very few though.

-The alcohol industry
-The pornography industry
-The "adult entertainment" industry
-The video game industry
-The gambling industry

If I were a politician I'd be a complete 100% shill for big business in these categories. However I'd strongly oppose big business in general, especially with things like Big Tobacco, Big Oil, Wal-Mart, etc. The problem is that jokes like Nader attack the Democrats and Gore for supporting the above industries! They don't realize that in those scenarios the corporations ARE the good guys.

Oh, and BRTD hates democracy.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

How does support the rights of the alcohol, pornography industry, etc. to sell their products without unnecessary interference equal hating democracy?

I'm also wondering what's anti-democratic about what I said anywhere in this thread.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Now that I'm reading Gully's post, I can see that whoever wrote that is some type of authoritarian Puritan whiner. Some of those are valid complaints but...

TIME/WARNER ($73,525): Keeping the Internet free of taxation and regulators out of the cable industry are Time/Warner's chief goals.

Sounds great to me! I don't want to see grassroots activism through the net hampered by internet taxes or censorship coming to cable.

ANHEUSER-BUSCH ($37,000): Alcohol kills 100,000 people every year. Over 12 million Americans are addicted to it. Yet the Administration has done almost nothing to raise awareness of the dangers of alcohol abuse. Maybe that's because alcohol industry PACs are among the biggest spenders in Washington, giving out $2.3 million in 1997-1998 alone, more than the gun lobby.

blah blah blah. Shut up. Alcohol is great and needs to be deregulated.

So yes, Gore is the candidate of some big businesses, but in those cases the big businesses were fighting for GOOD.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

BTW, if you drink alcohol, then why should you care about the industry donating to candidates? If you're supporting Anheuser-Busch with your money, what right do you have to whine that they donate that money in order to make it easier for them to operate? You're already supporting them.

Basically to agree with what this site is saying you have to be a teetotaler. And I never will be, so that site is just a load of crap.

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

There are a few cases though where I'd say being the candidate of big business is a good thing. Only very few though.

-The alcohol industry
-The pornography industry
-The "adult entertainment" industry
-The video game industry
-The gambling industry

If I were a politician I'd be a complete 100% shill for big business in these categories. However I'd strongly oppose big business in general, especially with things like Big Tobacco, Big Oil, Wal-Mart, etc. The problem is that jokes like Nader attack the Democrats and Gore for supporting the above industries! They don't realize that in those scenarios the corporations ARE the good guys.

Hypocrite.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

BTW, if you drink alcohol, then why should you care about the industry donating to candidates? If you're supporting Anheuser-Busch with your money, what right do you have to whine that they donate that money in order to make it easier for them to operate? You're already supporting them.

Basically to agree with what this site is saying you have to be a teetotaler. And I never will be, so that site is just a load of crap.

There's a HUGE DIFFERENCE in believing in the right of drinks companies to sell their products and allowing drinks companies to influence the decisions of politicians through what is often a legal form of bribery. You do realize that it's more likely that the decisions that Gore would have made would probably have benefitted Anheuser-Busch, but not The Drinks industry and certainly not small-time breweries and businesses. (And why does Alcohol need a multi-million dollar industry anyway?)

The same applies to Pornography, Tobacco (which for some strange reason you seem to oppose) and Media btw. Especially Media.

[Person Man]

This is easy. Gore was influenced by entrapanuers, but Bush was more.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

There's a HUGE DIFFERENCE in believing in the right of drinks companies to sell their products and allowing drinks companies to influence the decisions of politicians through what is often a legal form of bribery.

How is this any different from unions or other special interests? I hate plenty of corporations when giving donations, but it's legal, and the better solution is to hold politicians accountable for pandering to Big Oil, etc. through the voting. However, politicians being supported by alcohol isn't something that bothers me one iota. The alcohol industry needs deregulation, so they're the good guys for now.

Another example: A new strip club opened in Minneapolis a few months ago. A Christian nightclub nearby protested, saying that it violated the city ordinance since it was too close to a "church" which it defined itself as. The City Council held a hearing on it and ruled that the nightclub was not a church and the strip club can open.

Now I bet the donations to city council members' campaigns from businessmen who were involved in strip clubs might've had something to do with that...but why should I complain? It's keeping my strip clubs safe and protected by the city council. I won't whine about that with strip clubs under fire in so many other places.

You do realize that it's more likely that the decisions that Gore would have made would probably have benefitted Anheuser-Busch, but not The Drinks industry and certainly not small-time breweries and businesses.

How's that possible? Small time breweries would benefit also from laxer regulation.

(And why does Alcohol need a multi-million dollar industry anyway?)

Because there's that much demand for it? Duh.

The same applies to Pornography

Uh, pornography is constantly under fire and threat. Why shouldn't they be able to take action to defend their business and give donations? Should they just do nothing against the religious right?

Tobacco (which for some strange reason you seem to oppose)

Why's it strange? I don't use it and find it absolutely disgusting.

and Media btw. Especially Media.

There's a lot to be concerned about in the media, yes. However, this site didn't list the actual concerns with media monopolies, instead they seem to support stifling the internet and censoring cable. If you b!tch about that instead of the more valid concerns, I don't see any reason to listen.

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

BRTD, being anti-corporate for 90% of things and favoring it on porn/booze is EXTREMELY hypocritical and ideologically inconsistent. I may favor deregulation of alcohol/porn/drug laws but I oppose giving federal subsidies to those companies.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

BRTD, being anti-corporate for 90% of things and favoring it on porn/booze is EXTREMELY hypocritical and ideologically inconsistent. I may favor deregulation of alcohol/porn/drug laws but I oppose giving federal subsidies to those companies.

Straha puts it best for once. I think I'll put him off ignore.

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It isn't, except Unions at least try (in theory) to stand up for their workers rights. Generally powerful businesses are mainly interested in profit. Quite a difference that.

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I concur; but there needs to be more awareness of this sort of corruption. It only really seems to be talked about on political junkie circuits like this site.

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1. You're seeing the "Alcohol industry" as one united block; when (this is true of all major business; except IT maybe, but especially alcohol.) in reality it's mostly an industry of very diverse breweries and manufacturers. And the parts of this so-called "industry" which are more likely to donate to political parties are.. wait for it.. the big companies like well, Anheuser-Busch (which according to Wiki have almost half - 48.8% to be precise - share of the market.) and guess who benefits from these donations.. no, it's not the small micro-breweries it's... wait for it... Anheuser-Busch. I'll say it once more, the world's anti-capitalists are the rich, they can't stand the competition.

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Yes they need proper deregulation, when Anheuser-Busch (or inBev (Becks) or SABMiller (Miller) or any major alco-giant) wants is deregulation which benefits Anheuser-Busch (or inBev or SABMiller or etc.)

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Congratulations, not only do you hate democracy. In favour of backhanders and side-deals if they benefit your interests. And here I was thinking you becoming in Republican in future was a joke...

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See above.

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And..
 Why is there such demand? a) Is it due to advertising - especially on the young: This study seems to think so
 

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  b) Or is it due to the idea that Alcohol liberates you from whatever, especially from one's 'civilising' inscints.. according to the Irish Media 83% of all reported crime in Ireland is due in some part to crime (sadly, I could not find a link)

 c) Or is it due to a retarded youth culture which only freedom it celebrates is the freedom to act like a total prat and totally wazoooed on drugs\sex\drink\name-your-poison? Of course this a manufactured corporate conciousness which celebrates rebellion against the System (summing up you in a nutshell).. it's not like the Alcohol 'industry' is suffering due to binge drinking. See point a)

Of course, I have nothing wrong with drink but I do have a major problem with the culture surrounding it. And I despise the "I'm going to drink to get hammered" types. (And there are plently of those in Ireland.)

Interestingly, this demand seems mainly to go to the major Alco-corporations; but then again when's the last time you saw an ad for a micro-brewery on TV.

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Paying goverment officials is as bad as what the religious right is doing.

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a) As I pointed out in the earlier thread, Al Gore has been a major benefactor from the Tobacco trade (and has made his career in media hackery out of it.)
b) Way to bring your personal prejudices into the debate, If I hate strip clubs as I find them disgusting then I clearly should call for massive regulations now.. as I am clearly representative of all of humanity. God, BRTD you can be a real Authoritian sometimes.

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Media Monopolies are evil and should be broken up (including PBS\RTE\BBC) and rapidly deregulated. Though it's always been my opinion that TV is entirely an anti-democratic medium (as opposed to reading, as it promotes individualism - TV does the opposite); the fact that this company wants to the TV\Internet rules deregulated is irrelevant; they want to load the dice to suit them.