French election maps

[big bad fab]

The latter is, indeed, so typical.

[Хahar 🤔]

Napoléon was, of course, thought to have magical powers, so it's not hard to see why Bonaparte won.

[Associate Justice PiT]

An early map of French republicanism, little in common with current-day socialism - but a lot in common with earlier French socialism and early communism.

     What proportion of seats did they hold after the election?

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An early map of French republicanism, little in common with current-day socialism - but a lot in common with earlier French socialism and early communism.

     What proportion of seats did they hold after the election?

A quarter and 32% of the vote. The conservative-monarchist Parti de l'ordre had won a majority of seats and 59% of the vote.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

An odd little thing I made recently;



'tis regrettable that department boundaries are often as different from the old provincial stuff as they are (a couple of cases are especially bad) but you can get a rough impression I think.

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'tis regrettable that department boundaries are often as different from the old provincial stuff as they are (a couple of cases are especially bad) but you can get a rough impression I think.

That was the intention.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

'tis regrettable that department boundaries are often as different from the old provincial stuff as they are (a couple of cases are especially bad) but you can get a rough impression I think.

That was the intention.

Obviously. I just want to know quite what they had against Picardy.

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'tis regrettable that department boundaries are often as different from the old provincial stuff as they are (a couple of cases are especially bad) but you can get a rough impression I think.

That was the intention.

Obviously. I just want to know quite what they had against Picardy.

Their irrational hatred of Picardy continues to this day. They want to abolish the region (as they do with other regions, including Alsace).

[big bad fab]

You may even have spiltted Guyenne and Gascogne

But department boundaries aren't themselves relevant, of course: Eure-et-Loir is both Normandy and Beauce (Orléanais), Haute-Garonne is both Languedoc and Gascogne, Pas-de-Calais is both Boulonnais-Calaisis and Artois, Yonne is at the same time Ile-de-France, Champagne and Bourgogne, Oise and Aisne are both Picardie and Valois-Ile-de-France, Haute-Loire is both Languedoc and Auvergne, etc.

Vive l'Ancien Régime !

[Filuwaúrdjan]

You may even have spiltted Guyenne and Gascogne

I might have tried if I knew where the boundary between the two was... the only maps I've seen have them as one unit. Same with some of the other subprovinces (if that's the right term).

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Some of Aisne is in what was Champagne as well... but the point of using the departments was as a lazy comparision trick tool for maps (and data) at department level.

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Vive l'Ancien Régime !

Indeed.

(especially since my ancestors were in the Chouanerie, more likely than not)

[Filuwaúrdjan]

A fun little map copied from from an interesting (but not little, really) book:



Source: Robb, G. 2007, The Discovery of France, London.

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A fun little map copied from from an interesting (but not little, really) book:



Source: Robb, G. 2007, The Discovery of France, London.

Ah, yes. Fascinating stuff, that.

Hashemite, this was the one I was telling you about.

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Fun stuff with Al's map by province, the 2007 results. Quite nice.



I also mentioned some time ago that the CDSP had released the 1979 and 1984 Euro results by department, so I drooled.



The colour codes should be rather obvious, or if not the patterns on the map should allow you to match the colours to their parties.



rofl

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More provincial results!

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Nice map. It confirms what I was saying about Finistère a post or two ago.

A few other comments:

Finistère was/is the heart of Breton in Bretagne and most rural western villages were probably, IIRC, uni-lingual Breton areas. Breton expanded to western Morbihan and Cotes-d'Armor and the major line of division between la Bretagne bretonnante and the rest by the 19th century ran from around Paimpol in the north to the Brière swamps in the south - yes, a small part of Loire-Atlantique (Guérande and Brière) spoke Breton for quite sometime. The eastern part of Ille-et-Vilaine and a large part of Loire-Atlantique (incl Nantes) never spoke Breton, even in its heydays, in the Middle Ages. Rennes was, even then, on the border between Breton and whatever. The patois common in Ille-et-Vilaine was gallo, which is spoken to this day in rural villages by old people. I've heard it, it's quite an amazing language. And gallo is also used in the Rennes metro, where signs are bilingual. GeoBreizh has a map, since they're so cool:

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The south of France spoke various langues d'oc, now known as Occitan. And Northern Catalonia spoke Catalan, the Basques spoke Basque, and Provence spoke Francoprovençal which extended to dialects around Lyon, Dauphiné, Savoy and southern Jura.

Parts of the Nord (the part going from outside Dunkerque to, I guess, Lille exburbia. Places like Bergues) spoke Flemish and did so for quite some time.

Parts of Alsace spoke Alsatian, parts of Moselle spoke francique and the rest of Lorraine had a local dialect.

Of course, in the French speaking regions you also had accents or dialects, such as chtimi/picard, which were perhaps more patois than anything else.

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Michel Debré also does not approve of two-round legislative elections.

[big bad fab]

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Michel Debré also does not approve of two-round legislative elections.

That's why I haven't hated him entirely...

France with British first-past-the-vote would be so coooool !
(just for fun, though, as I think our current system is the best, from a pragmatic viewpoint and if we forget about the problem of gerrymandering)

[Хahar 🤔]

Cool, but horrible.

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1999 Results by constituency:



Orange for the UDF, yellow for CPNT, purple for RPF. IIRC, the RPF won a constituency in Vaucluse, which is harder to make out though the constituencies in the Alpes-Maritimes, Var and Vendée should be.

CPNT won 11 constituencies, and broke 40% in both constituencies of the Somme estuary. All are major hunting areas (gibier d'eau). The CPNT vote is concentrated in those hunting areas on the shores of Gironde, Charente-Maritime, Lower Normandy, Somme and sometimes Pas-de-Calais. CPNT is more the "C Party", since PNT doesn't get them much votes methinks.

And the media refers to them as "les chasseurs" anyways.

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Let us pause for a moment of wtflols. The Socialists won, kind of, the Manche's 2nd constituency. The Manche's 2nd constituency, yes, the Manche's 2nd constituency. rofl UMP rofl. That's a place where legislative election runoffs, if they even happen, tend to be between right-wing rivals.

Anyways, constituencies the UMP won:

Alpes-Maritimes 8: Cannes
Corse-du-Sud 2: the stronghold of the Rocca Serra family. It's Corse, so family name and said family's political affiliation is much more important than anything else.
Doubs-5: Pontarlier and environs, a very conservative and Catholic rural area... as opposed to the more industrialized and secularized areas north of the department.
Lozere-2: The most Catholic area of Lozere - aka the area that includes none of the Cevennes. And also doesn't include a major urban centre (Mende)
Cantal-2: Saint-Flour, also very Catholic and rural as opposed to Aurillac which has some old Radical traditions. The UMP gains between 2004 and 2009 were quite small (below national average) in this area - primarily due to Chirac being gone (though the UMP did surprisingly well in Chiraquie in 2009 considering how sh**t-poor Sarko did there in 2007). My map shows it well and goes in the face of the stupid pundits who like to flaunt that the UMP is gaining back ground in Chirac's backyard.
Nord-9: Marcq-en-Baroeul, the wealthiest area in the Nord-Pas-de-Calais. A suburb of Lille, too.
Rhone-5: Caluire-et-Cuire, the very wealthy suburbs of Lyon.
Bas-Rhin - all except Strasbourg and Haut-Rhin - all except Colmar, Cernay and Mulhouse: Ahem, Alsace. What's also interesting is that, IIRC, Alsatian Protestants (of which there are quite a few, which surprises some people who think of Alsace as Catholic heartland), lean to the right much more than Protestant minorities in other parts of the country... I suppose the special religious exceptions in Alsace-Moselle explain this a lot. Not to say, however, that there isn't a religious divide: just that Protestants tend to be Gaullists and Catholics tend to be Christiandems. Another division in Alsace was between Alsatian-speakers and French/Vosgiens-speakers, the latter of which tend to the left. Outside of Strasbourg, Royal's "best" performances (aka, places where she actually broke 40% lol) were all in French-speaking country. I ought to write more about Elsàss another day, since I love Elsàss.
Paris: Very wealthy places.
Hauts-de-Seine: Yay more very wealthy places.
Yvelines: No, it can't be more very wealthy places. Yes, it is!
Guyane-2: Lol
Mayotte: Lol

Vendee really does stick out on that map, no?

[minionofmidas]

All the non-red bits stick out. Wtf Guayana?

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All the non-red bits stick out. Wtf Guayana?

European elections since the adoption of the new constituencies in 2003 are mostly decided on favourite son votes (less so in 2009) since turnout is so low. The Green top candidate in 2004 and 2009 was from Guadeloupe and the Green's second candidate in both 2004 and 2009 was from Guyane. The UDF top candidate in 2004 was from Martinique. The PCR, of course, is from Reunion, though it allies with local Martinican parties.

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Any requests?

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Old thing I always wanted to do.



Tapie's 1994 run for the Radicals.

Some traditional RadSoc areas (Charente, Charente-Maritime, Tarn-et-Garonne, Lot, Haute-Corse, Haute-Pyrenees, Indre-et-Loire, Eure-et-Loir) but there's also a large part of the vote (majority probably, the PRG can't poll 12% nationally just on strength in its own strongholds) that came from Socialists or other lefties, as the higher shades in places like Lorraine or the North show well (those aren't traditional Radical areas, though there exists various pockets in those areas too). And also a favourite son vote in Bouches-du-Rhone and surroundings (for Tapie) and Guyane (for Taubira).