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« on: November 05, 2007, 01:36:40 PM »


Would Clinton pick a current senator for her running mate, knowing that, it may decrease the democratic control of the senate?

E.g. Would she pick Evan Byah (who seems to be mentioned name), or Richardson (who would be a shoo-in in NM) knowing that, Indiana may then choose a GOP replacement, and thus decrease the control of the senate, which could potentially be filibuster proof.

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« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2007, 01:40:24 PM »


PS: I'm so pleased I found this site!
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Another Brit Smiley and a Democrat as well Wink. Welcome to the Forum, Chris

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« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2007, 11:50:27 PM »

ukchris welcome to the forum.

It is essential for Clinton to go with a safe, white, Protestant, moderate male, who will be acceptable to women and non threatening to men, someone seen as capable, someone politically experienced, someone she would be comfortable with on the ticket and should she become President someone she would be comfortable working with in her administration.

She goes with Senator Evan Bayh of Indiana, who is also a former Governor of Indiana.  The fact he is a sitting Senator from a state with a Republican Governor does not come into play, as Clinton will want his experience, his appeal, and his abilities.   
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« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2007, 11:40:27 AM »

In no particular order:

Sen. Mark Pryor (AR)
Sen. Tom Carper (DE)
Sen. Evan Bayh (IN)
Sen. Jim Webb (VA)
Sen. Bill Nelson (FL)
Sen. Ben Nelson (NE)
Gov. Tim Kaine (VA)
Gov. Brian Schweitzer (MT)
Gov. Bill Richardson (NM)
Gov. Mike Easely (NC)
Gov. Phil Bredesen (TN)
Gov. Dave Freudenthal (WY)
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« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2007, 08:21:09 PM »

In no particular order:

Sen. Mark Pryor (AR)
Sen. Tom Carper (DE)
Sen. Evan Bayh (IN)
Sen. Jim Webb (VA)
Sen. Bill Nelson (FL)
Sen. Ben Nelson (NE)
Gov. Tim Kaine (VA)
Gov. Brian Schweitzer (MT)
Gov. Bill Richardson (NM)
Gov. Mike Easely (NC)
Gov. Phil Bredesen (TN)
Gov. Dave Freudenthal (WY)

Where's Governor Strickland (OH)?
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« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2007, 03:07:23 AM »
« Edited: November 08, 2007, 03:09:10 AM by Tammany Hall Republican »

ukchris welcome to the forum.

It is essential for Clinton to go with a safe, white, Protestant, moderate male, who will be acceptable to women and non threatening to men, someone seen as capable, someone politically experienced, someone she would be comfortable with on the ticket and should she become President someone she would be comfortable working with in her administration.

She goes with Senator Evan Bayh of Indiana, who is also a former Governor of Indiana.  The fact he is a sitting Senator from a state with a Republican Governor does not come into play, as Clinton will want his experience, his appeal, and his abilities.   

As a correction, Clinton should go with someone with the above characteristics and qualities, and whether this individual was Protestant or Catholic it would not matter in any way, shape or form.

It just happens in this case that Bayh is Protestant, but he would still be the best running mate for Clinton whether he was Protestant or Catholic.
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« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2007, 11:17:21 AM »

In no particular order:

Sen. Mark Pryor (AR)
Sen. Tom Carper (DE)
Sen. Evan Bayh (IN)
Sen. Jim Webb (VA)
Sen. Bill Nelson (FL)
Sen. Ben Nelson (NE)
Gov. Tim Kaine (VA)
Gov. Brian Schweitzer (MT)
Gov. Bill Richardson (NM)
Gov. Mike Easely (NC)
Gov. Phil Bredesen (TN)
Gov. Dave Freudenthal (WY)

Where's Governor Strickland (OH)?

And Fromer NATO Commander Wesley Clark?
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« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2007, 12:52:57 PM »

ukchris welcome to the forum.

It is essential for Clinton to go with a safe, white, Protestant, moderate male, who will be acceptable to women and non threatening to men, someone seen as capable, someone politically experienced, someone she would be comfortable with on the ticket and should she become President someone she would be comfortable working with in her administration.

She goes with Senator Evan Bayh of Indiana, who is also a former Governor of Indiana.  The fact he is a sitting Senator from a state with a Republican Governor does not come into play, as Clinton will want his experience, his appeal, and his abilities.   


What would happen then if the Republican governor of Indiana loses? Would the lame duck incumbent apppoint a GOP senator to fill Bayh's spot, or would the newly elected Dem governor choose a Dem to fill a Dem seat?
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« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2007, 04:21:58 PM »

I think it would come down to Bayh, Clark, or Vilsack. The only reason why I would give Bayh a better chance as getting it is, as I've said before, Bill Clinton seems to be a fan and I think would push for his selection. If not Bayh, then I would say Clark would be the next most likely choice. While I think he would be heavily considered, I think Vilsack is the least likely to actually get chosen.
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« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2007, 05:06:28 PM »

In no particular order:

Sen. Mark Pryor (AR)
Sen. Tom Carper (DE)
Sen. Evan Bayh (IN)
Sen. Jim Webb (VA)
Sen. Bill Nelson (FL)
Sen. Ben Nelson (NE)
Gov. Tim Kaine (VA)
Gov. Brian Schweitzer (MT)
Gov. Bill Richardson (NM)
Gov. Mike Easely (NC)
Gov. Phil Bredesen (TN)
Gov. Dave Freudenthal (WY)

Where's Governor Strickland (OH)?

And Fromer NATO Commander Wesley Clark?

I forgot about Strickland; and as for Clark, I think she has Arkansas in the bag, and Clark wouldn't do a great job bringing in other states.
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« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2007, 11:20:46 AM »

Hillary will pick Richardson to be VP
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« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2007, 10:35:50 PM »

I would say Sen. Evan Bayh and Gov. Bill Richardson are the most likely choices.  However, I do think the fact that Bayh's replacement would be appointed by a Republican Governor is a strike against him in Clinton's mind.  That is one less supportive vote in the Senate for her Presidential agenda.  Nevertheless, he may be chosen.  Richardson balances Clinton well and his foreign policy and energy policy experience are a big plus.  But he has a lot of baggage and his media skills are bad. 

Jim Webb and Ted Strickland are too new to their jobs to be chosen.

I am one of the few who thinks Clinton may choose Barack Obama.  He would not be her first choice but if he finishes a strong second in the primaries to her she will be under pressure to pick him or risk alienating a big portion of the Democratic base.  If Obama has a poor showing Clinton will surely choose someone else.
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« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2007, 10:45:48 PM »

Jim Webb and Ted Strickland are too new to their jobs to be chosen.

They both have previous experience though.  Webb was Secretary of the Navy and Strickland was in the House for 12 years.
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« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2007, 10:58:58 PM »

Jim Webb and Ted Strickland are too new to their jobs to be chosen.

They both have previous experience though.  Webb was Secretary of the Navy and Strickland was in the House for 12 years.


I know, but this is their first foray into a major statewide elected office, the traditional breeding ground for a spot on a Presidential ticket.  Also, from a PR standpoint it would look bad for them to quit only 2 years into their current position.  Voters would think -- the people of his state just hired him and he's already jumping ship?
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« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2007, 11:50:05 PM »

In no particular order:

Sen. Mark Pryor (AR)
Sen. Tom Carper (DE)
Sen. Evan Bayh (IN)
Sen. Jim Webb (VA)
Sen. Bill Nelson (FL)
Sen. Ben Nelson (NE)
Gov. Tim Kaine (VA)
Gov. Brian Schweitzer (MT)
Gov. Bill Richardson (NM)
Gov. Mike Easely (NC)
Gov. Phil Bredesen (TN)
Gov. Dave Freudenthal (WY)

Where's Governor Strickland (OH)?

And Fromer NATO Commander Wesley Clark?

I forgot about Strickland; and as for Clark, I think she has Arkansas in the bag, and Clark wouldn't do a great job bringing in other states.

His big draw would be foreign policy credentials.  An area Clinton needs to win the election.
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« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2007, 09:47:30 AM »

What about Mark Warner?
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« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2007, 03:30:27 PM »

Warner's running for the Senate seat vacated by John Warner, and I'm sure the Dems would rather see him take that seat, which looks like a sure thing, than get sidetracked running for V-P. The current governor of Virginia, Tim Kaine, might not be such a bad choice, except that if he were to win, the lieutenant governor would take office, and he's a Republican. But on the other hand, there's a gubernatorial election in 2009 anyway. The biggest argument against Kaine is that he might not be able to deliver the state to the Dems with Hillary at the top of the ticket.
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« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2007, 05:21:53 PM »

I disagree. In fact, I don't think there's a chance in the world that she'd pick Obama, because political exigencies virtually demand that she pick a white man as running mate.
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« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2007, 05:29:20 PM »

If nominated, she will pick Obama.  Why you ask?  One word.  MONEY.  He has raised tons of money and she will want it to go toward their combined campaigns.  He is also from a safe Dem state for his replacement in the Senate.

Obama will spend most of that money trying to win the nomination.  Whatever's left will be a paltry sum compared to whatever HRC (or really, any potential major party nominee this year) would be able to raise for the GE.
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« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2007, 12:07:35 AM »
« Edited: November 17, 2007, 12:09:41 AM by Ogre Mage »


I don't think Clark is as likely a choice as Bayh or Richardson, but he definitely will be considered.  It certainly would not hurt the Democrats to have a 4-star General on the ticket.  However, Hillary would have to tutor Clark in domestic policy and the parliamentary procedure of the Senate.  It is unknown how much Clark has improved politically since his failed 2004 run. 
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« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2007, 12:32:31 PM »

Mark Warner would have been ideal but he's running for Senate.

Bill Richardson would be decent in that he's got experience, brings the Hispanic vote, helps in the Southwest, and doesn't "outshine" her.

Barack Obama brings star power but is inexperienced and seems to have foot/mouth tendencies.
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« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2007, 03:57:21 PM »

Biden would be good.  He can bring in catholic voters, maybe swinging states like FL or OH.
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« Reply #22 on: November 20, 2007, 07:37:40 PM »

Biden would be good.  He can bring in catholic voters, maybe swinging states like FL or OH.

I tend to disagree.  Don't get me wrong because I like Biden.  But speaking as a Catholic I don't vote for someone based on religion.  In fact I don't know of any Catholic who does vote based on religion.  There are some who vote based on view of Roe v Wade, but that's it.
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« Reply #23 on: November 20, 2007, 07:43:30 PM »

Biden would be good.  He can bring in catholic voters, maybe swinging states like FL or OH.

I tend to disagree.  Don't get me wrong because I like Biden.  But speaking as a Catholic I don't vote for someone based on religion.  In fact I don't know of any Catholic who does vote based on religion.  There are some who vote based on view of Roe v Wade, but that's it.

Nor do I know any people like that, but there are some who are like that I am sure.  (People are also more likely to vote for someone they like and identify, think Bush's pork rinds and beer image in 2000 and 2004.)
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« Reply #24 on: November 21, 2007, 12:31:57 AM »

Bayh would be good although I don't think anyone has any expectations of him bringing along Indiana - just a good centrist choice for the general election.
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