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Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]
tsionebreicruoc
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« on: October 19, 2007, 01:57:06 PM »

What are the ideas and the projects of the main candidates on the foreign policy?

Are there ideas shared by GOP and Dems?

Is foreign policy an important point of debates?

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« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2007, 02:09:48 PM »

There is probably more common ground between Republicans and Democrats on foreign policy than domestic policy-- although not nearly as much as there was during the cold war. Democrats tend to be more internationalist and less xenophobic than Republicans, although there are notable exceptions to the rule on both sides. It might be of special interest to you that some Republicans have attempted to make the word "France" kind of a dirty word, based on the French government's refusal to participate in the Iraq war and their opposition to Bush Administration foreign policy in other areas. I find this offensive. The idea that we can demand agreement and obedience from other countries, and demonize them if they refuse to obey, is American jingoism at its worst.

Unfortunately, the Iraq war has dominated all foreign-policy debate in this country for the past four years, to the exclusion of virtually everything else, and the presidential campaign has been no exception.

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Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]
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« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2007, 03:34:47 PM »
« Edited: October 19, 2007, 08:36:07 PM by tsionebreicruoc »

Ok gorkay. I appreciate your position about Irak war, for sure if they did not want us to say "NO", they did not have to ask us. Then, i also can understand that Irak war takes a lot of place in US debates, there are a lot of soldiers there, and, according to what i can hear in medias, it does not seem to be a honeymoon for US army there.

But, is there nothing on Iran? Russia? Venezuela? China? future of NATO? future of UNO? else? common positions on some these subjects?
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« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2007, 08:36:28 PM »

Welcome to the forum Grin

Iran: All hate Iran.  Almost no one rules out military action with it.  Conservatives tend to be more aggressive.

Russia: All hate Russia.  Not too many policy proposals, except for hating Russia and condemning Putin.

Venezuela: Republicans love demonizing Venezuela, Democrats tend to agree but much less aggressively.  Not too many policy proposals, again.

China: Not very much of a partisan split here.  Some Democrats are protectionists and support raising the tariff with China 27%, some are like Bill Clinton and support more free trade.  Republicans have similar splits.  These splits are quite strongly associated with the base of each district/state; states with strong industrial-based economies are less in favor of trade with China than those with weak ones.  A few Democrats believe we should boycott the Olympics because of China's support for the government of Sudan.

NATO: Not an issue.

UN: Not an issue, except for some fringe libertarians who support withdrawal.

Darfur (not mentioned in your post): Some Democrats and a tiny bit of Republicans support intervention/military action in Darfur.
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Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]
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« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2007, 08:12:58 AM »

Thanck you ilikeverin

I mentionned almost Iran, Russia, Venezuela and China cause i think these four countries are very important for the future of the world in the years to come, almost if they become allies. Position of the USA is important to know on it.

I also think that NATO and UNO could, and should, meet changes in years to come. Position of the USA is also important to know on it.

Then, for Darfur, thanck you for your precisions. What i feel now is that progressively the weapons could shut up in this part of the world, without any military intervention from abroad, maybe just a present force to make respect the law. Democrats really envisage to go there with the army??? Isn't it an electoralist position, in the way to be more pleasant with the ones who have been touched by George Clooney's fight?
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« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2007, 01:01:17 AM »

Ok gorkay. I appreciate your position about Irak war, for sure if they did not want us to say "NO", they did not have to ask us. Then, i also can understand that Irak war takes a lot of place in US debates, there are a lot of soldiers there, and, according to what i can hear in medias, it does not seem to be a honeymoon for US army there.

But, is there nothing on Iran? Russia? Venezuela? China? future of NATO? future of UNO? else? common positions on some these subjects?

As far as I can tell, the Dems and Republicans pretty much agree on China and Russia despite the fact that Republicans are often considerably more bellicose in their rhetoric towards these powers. Also, counterintuitive as it may seem, the Chinese leadership actually prefers to have Republicans in power, because they have supported free trade much more consistently than the Democrats have, and China feels that it benefits from free trade with developed countries.

With regard to Venezuela, some of the leftist elements in the Democratic party might still have some sympathy for Hugo Chavez, but his over-the-top rhetoric is seen as off-putting by many, and both parties condemn his government quite forcefully now. His speech at the UN where he compared Bush to the devil was criticized by both parties.

Democrats tend to be a lot more pro-UN than Republicans.

Both parties, except for some isolationist republicans and leftist fringe democrats, support remaining in NATO.
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Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]
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« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2007, 12:25:08 PM »


As far as I can tell, the Dems and Republicans pretty much agree on China and Russia despite the fact that Republicans are often considerably more bellicose in their rhetoric towards these powers. Also, counterintuitive as it may seem, the Chinese leadership actually prefers to have Republicans in power, because they have supported free trade much more consistently than the Democrats have, and China feels that it benefits from free trade with developed countries.

With regard to Venezuela, some of the leftist elements in the Democratic party might still have some sympathy for Hugo Chavez, but his over-the-top rhetoric is seen as off-putting by many, and both parties condemn his government quite forcefully now. His speech at the UN where he compared Bush to the devil was criticized by both parties.

Democrats tend to be a lot more pro-UN than Republicans.

Both parties, except for some isolationist republicans and leftist fringe democrats, support remaining in NATO.

Thanck you strangeland

It surprises me when you say that some democrats, even if they are leftits, have some sympathy for Hugo Chavez. Cause even if he takes more care of his country and of his people than others before him in Venezuela, and even if he is more for multi-lateralism, this man does not seem to be verry lit to me, but more illuminated, and I don't think he has verry lit projects as well on national plan as on international plan, I think these leftits should be aware about these sorts of thing.

Then, I think that the ones who have bellicos speeches should be aware that some politic leaders in the world seem to just wait for it.

I would also have other questions:

When both parties support remaining NATO, do they have ideas? what are main ideas?

When Hillary says that she wants "to finish it with the diplomacy of the cow-boy" or something like that, does she have concrete ideas? clear projects?

Thanck you
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