Do you oppose school vouchers under ALL circumstances?

[they don't love you like i love you]

Yes. School vouchers are always wrong and need to be completely banned.

Luckily even Utah has the sense to realize vouchers are epic fail.



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[Friz]

Yes.

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

Yes.

[Lief 🗽]

Yes.

I do support magnet schools though, which I think have most of the pros of vouchers, without the cons.

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

Yes.

I do support magnet schools though, which I think have most of the pros of vouchers, without the cons.

This sums up my position.

[Ebowed]

Yes.

[they don't love you like i love you]

Something I'd also support is not recognizing degrees from private schools as valid in hiring for public sector jobs and not allowing credits to be transferable to public schools. The private education system must be strangled and destroyed.

[David S]

Something I'd also support is not recognizing degrees from private schools as valid in hiring for public sector jobs and not allowing credits to be transferable to public schools. The private education system must be strangled and destroyed.

Sometimes you speak up for freedom. That's good. But sometimes, like this thread, you speak up for tyranny. That's not good. Your last sentence says it all. Why in the world does that seem like a good idea to you?

[they don't love you like i love you]

Because private schools are only instruments of class repression and religious indoctrination.

[Ebowed]

Because private schools are only instruments of class repression and religious indoctrination.

Agreed.  Even if all private schools were secular, it still creates a discrepancy in the quality of education between those whose parents are rich and those who are not.

[Saxwsylvania]

Because private schools are only instruments of class repression and religious indoctrination.

Agreed.  Even if all private schools were secular, it still creates a discrepancy in the quality of education between those whose parents are rich and those who are not.

Okay, instead of a few getting quality education, everybody gets the same sh**tty education from the public schools.  Great idea!

Liberals hate private schools because they want the state to have a monopoly on the minds of young people.  They fear free thought.

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

I fear christian madrassas.

[Ban my account ffs!]

Wow. 

I'm a poor kid that went to a private Catholic university on a scholarship.. I feel repressed and indoctrinated alright!

I agree that in some cases alternatives to traditional public schools are a good thing, as in the case of magnet and charter schools, which use public money.  This is essentially a voucher as you are leaving your district schools for a charter school, which is independent or has a sponsorship with the local district.

I absolutely oppose, in any case, public money meant for public schools being taken away to go as a voucher for a private school.

Of course, the college level is a completely different thing.  At this time, school is voluntary, and aid that students receive is meant for the student, not the school.  Also, much of this aid is in the form of federally subsidized loans, which the student will pay back:  Not only directly, but will pay the subsidized interest through taxes... essentially, it's a loan on a loan.

[Colin]

Something I'd also support is not recognizing degrees from private schools as valid in hiring for public sector jobs and not allowing credits to be transferable to public schools. The private education system must be strangled and destroyed.

Ah so you'd basically make sure that public sector jobs get no applicants from the best schools in America. Really great plan there, BRTD, shutting off the public sector from the talents of people who have gone to schools like Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Stanford, CalTech, MIT, University of Chicago, University of Pennsylvania, NYU, Northwestern, Emory, Tufts, and Boston College. The private school system, especially at the college level, will never be strangled and destroyed because it represents the highest level of academic achievement in America. If the Federal Government would want to cut itself off from these people, most of whom are some of the top academic minds in America, I'm sure the private sector would be happy to reap the whirlwind of highly educated people leaving public service.

You'll probably say that I've been indoctrinated by private schools, THE HORRORS, or whatever. I don't think you can really dispute the facts that a vast majority of the top schools in America are private institutions.

[Boris]

Because private schools are only instruments of class repression and religious indoctrination.

Agreed.  Even if all private schools were secular, it still creates a discrepancy in the quality of education between those whose parents are rich and those who are not.

Such a disparity already exists solely among public schools; compare the public schools of wealthy suburbs and poor inner-city areas.

[David S]

Because private schools are only instruments of class repression and religious indoctrination.

Agreed.  Even if all private schools were secular, it still creates a discrepancy in the quality of education between those whose parents are rich and those who are not.

If I read you right you are saying private schools should be abolished because they are better than public schools. Does that make sense?

Is it better that all education should be mediocre, than that a few schools should be good while the rest are mediocre?

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

I generally favor school vouchers, but not blindly.  For instance, the one Gov. Sanford tried to get the SC General Assembly to approve was so small that it effectively served only to cover the costs of pupils already going to private or religious schools.  As such it wasn't a pro-education measure but a give money to well off measure.  I don't know enough about the Utah proposal to say whether I'd have supported it if I lived there.

[Ebowed]

If I read you right you are saying private schools should be abolished because they are better than public schools.

No, they are not "better."  They have a better reputation because rich people go to them.

[Lief 🗽]

Well, I completely disagree with BRTD. There's nothing wrong with private colleges and universities. Top schools such as the Ivy Leagues and schools of similar caliber also have generous financial aid policies, making it possible for working, middle and upper class students to attend.

Private high schools and middle schools, however, just reinforce class divisions and/or lead to religious indoctrination, and vouchers just further the gap by robbing public schools of students and funding.

[Saxwsylvania]

If I read you right you are saying private schools should be abolished because they are better than public schools.

No, they are not "better."  They have a better reputation because rich people go to them.

Ebowed: you are very stupid.

It's one thing to oppose vouchers.  It's another to want to force everyone to go to public schools - even if the quality of education is inferior, or the teachers are sh**t, as is the case in most union states.

I still don't understand why liberals are so filled with hatred for private schools.  Probably because they everything in a "class" mentality.  Also, liberals are especially concerned with advancing society, so they those who attend private school and even families who homeschool  as rogues who must be eliminated for the sake of their socialist utopia.  It is almost science fiction!

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Private high schools and middle schools, however, just reinforce class divisions and/or lead to religious indoctrination, and vouchers just further the gap by robbing public schools of students and funding.

I wasn't aware that public schools own the children that attend them.

[David S]

If I read you right you are saying private schools should be abolished because they are better than public schools.

No, they are not "better."  They have a better reputation because rich people go to them.

Your comment was-  "Even if all private schools were secular, it still creates a discrepancy in the quality of education between those whose parents are rich and those who are not."

[Colin]

Private high schools and middle schools, however, just reinforce class divisions

I would say that this occurs in public schools as well. I would say that the private school that I went to had about the same mix of socio-economic classes as the local public high school. Public high schools, since they draw from the same area, often have the same problem with having a majority of one social class, rich suburban kids, poor urban students, rural students, so that you have the same "reinforced class divisions" that you have in private schools.

Also welcome to the real world. Class divisions are ever present in any society. If you put people of different socio-economic classes together it can breed resentment. If you keep them apart it "reinforces class divisions". In many ways you're damn if you do and damned if you don't.

[Ebowed]

Ebowed: you are very stupid.

How old do you think the earth is?

[David S]

BRTD One of the most disturbing aspects of your philosophy is the belief that government should use coercion to force other people to do what you want. That belief is apparent in your anti-smoking strategy, anti-suburb strategy, and now anti-private school strategy. Always the government is to ban something or apply draconian punishment to anyone who lives his life in a way that you do not like. And yet if someone were to encroach on your freedom by banning alcohol or lap dances you would protest vehemently. Don't you know yet that freedom is one thing you must give if you want to receive it?