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« Reply #800 on: March 20, 2013, 10:30:02 PM »
The thought of Britain with a leadership culture like Australia. Cameron, Clegg and Miliband wouldn't stand a chance.
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« Reply #801 on: March 20, 2013, 10:32:38 PM »
Quote from: RogueBeaver on March 20, 2013, 10:26:38 PM
Gillard not even answering the question, just taunting the Coalition.

It could be said that the Coalition just went on for a vicious fifteen minute taunt against Gillard instead of simply asking a question, too. Both sides are at fault here for their behavior, but then again it's just political theatre.

It's getting much too personal for my taste as well.
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« Reply #802 on: March 20, 2013, 10:36:52 PM »
Both were bonfiring a bunch of strawmen. Dividing now.
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« Reply #803 on: March 20, 2013, 10:37:32 PM »
It was a disgusting display from Julie Bishop....
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« Reply #804 on: March 20, 2013, 10:37:42 PM »
Bookies now strongly favor Rudd over Gillard on odds of winning the leadership ballot (might be different by the time you read this, since events are moving fast):

http://www.sportsbet.com.au/betting/politics?LeftNav
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« Reply #805 on: March 20, 2013, 10:41:33 PM »
What exactly is he waiting for, and how much longer will nominations remain open?
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« Reply #806 on: March 20, 2013, 10:42:39 PM »
Motion failed.
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« Reply #807 on: March 20, 2013, 10:46:27 PM »

73 for the motion, 71 against. They needed 76 for it to pass.
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« Reply #808 on: March 20, 2013, 10:49:15 PM »
AFR said latest Gillard numbers were 58. Rumours are that Rudd won't move, dunno if that's true.
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« Reply #809 on: March 20, 2013, 10:54:55 PM »
Quote from: Mr. Morden on March 20, 2013, 10:37:42 PM
Bookies now strongly favor Rudd over Gillard on odds of winning the leadership ballot (might be different by the time you read this, since events are moving fast):

http://www.sportsbet.com.au/betting/politics?LeftNav

What were the odds like in 2012?
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« Reply #810 on: March 20, 2013, 10:58:29 PM »
Crean's been sacked. Elliott backing Rudd.
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« Reply #811 on: March 20, 2013, 11:01:29 PM »
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Crean's been sacked. Elliott backing Rudd.

Has that been confirmed?
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« Reply #812 on: March 20, 2013, 11:04:17 PM »
The fascinating thing about Australia is how clear it is that the people whose titles would suggest that they have the power don't actually have the power. It's more true in Australia than any other Western democracy, I think.
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« Reply #813 on: March 20, 2013, 11:07:23 PM »
Polnut: From Grauniad liveblog. But yeah, when a senior minister publicly calls for a coup they can't really expect to stay on with the incumbent. Tongue
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« Reply #814 on: March 20, 2013, 11:07:53 PM »
Crean is fundamentally a party man. I think he's taken the fall to give Gillard a unanimous win.

(Dreamland?)
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« Reply #815 on: March 20, 2013, 11:09:09 PM »
I randomly wake up, decide to check the news and this happens. Australia is very Austrian.
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« Reply #816 on: March 20, 2013, 11:09:22 PM »
Confirmed from Crean's office.
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« Reply #817 on: March 20, 2013, 11:13:36 PM »
Swan reconfirms his Gillard support.
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« Reply #818 on: March 20, 2013, 11:14:02 PM »
Interesting. Sounds like it might be as tight as Latham/Beazley.
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« Reply #819 on: March 20, 2013, 11:17:59 PM »
ABC also saying too close to call.
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« Reply #820 on: March 20, 2013, 11:19:56 PM »
I'm pretty sure last time pundits thought Gillard would survive. So this is interesting. I'll say Rudd as I reckon that undecideds will probably go for the challenger.

But don't take my word for it.
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« Reply #821 on: March 20, 2013, 11:22:02 PM »
With seventy minutes to go, Rudd still hasn't declared and there's chatter he may not even run, so RogueBeaver may have had a point earlier...
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« Reply #822 on: March 20, 2013, 11:23:53 PM »
Too much damage. So if Rudd doesn't run, what happens?
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« Reply #823 on: March 20, 2013, 11:34:12 PM »
Rudd set for a narrow win?

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/julia-gillard-calls-leadership-ballot-after-simon-crean-demands-spill/story-e6freuy9-1226602015161
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« Reply #824 on: March 20, 2013, 11:36:50 PM »
Any Rudd win will be probably narrow... but Gillard needs to win relatively comfortably...
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