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« Reply #200 on: May 26, 2015, 04:04:33 pm »

The Northern Ireland Assembly could collapse following the failure of the welfare bill - it could be down to Westminster to pass a welfare bill for Northern Ireland.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-32894371
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-32793324
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« Reply #201 on: May 26, 2015, 04:28:36 pm »

Wish they'd just go back to direct rule completely #ukup
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« Reply #202 on: May 27, 2015, 09:21:50 am »

Wish they'd just go back to direct rule completely #ukup
The problem is that the Northern Ireland Assembly was created as part of the Good Friday Agreement - the peace treaty for The Troubles. It would, in theory, be a breach of an international treaty - between the UK and Ireland. I don't think it can happen...
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« Reply #203 on: May 27, 2015, 06:28:34 pm »

So long as the Assembly is merely suspended rather than ended then Direct Rule is technically fine. It was basically the norm before the St. Andrews Agreement.
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« Reply #204 on: July 24, 2015, 04:51:58 pm »
« Edited: July 24, 2015, 06:00:40 pm by politicus »

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« Reply #205 on: July 24, 2015, 04:58:43 pm »

Oh dear
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« Reply #206 on: July 24, 2015, 05:09:43 pm »

Oh dear

Surprising. I thought they had changed it long time ago.
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« Reply #207 on: July 24, 2015, 05:45:00 pm »
« Edited: July 24, 2015, 05:57:42 pm by ObserverIE »

Oh dear

Surprising. I thought they had changed it long time ago.

They changed the name of the local authority which covers the city ages ago. The legally-defined city, a much smaller area, is still officially "Londonderry" and would need permission from the British Privy Council for its name, defined in a royal charter, to be changed. SF have been unwilling to go through with this step, at least until now, because of their own party theology.

The county surrounding it is another matter altogether.
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« Reply #208 on: August 26, 2015, 07:08:50 am »

Looks like the Ulster Unionists are pulling out of Government over claims the IRA may have been involved in a recent murder.
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« Reply #209 on: August 26, 2015, 09:31:15 pm »

Looks like the Ulster Unionists are pulling out of Government over claims the IRA may have been involved in a recent murder.

Pathetic maneuvering by UUP
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« Reply #210 on: September 02, 2015, 05:56:00 pm »

Can someone explain what is going on?
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« Reply #211 on: September 02, 2015, 06:36:41 pm »

Can someone explain what is going on?

The UUP was replaced by the DUP as the main Unionist party about a decade ago. Ever since, the UUP has wildly flailed between left and right, looking for a reason to exist. Right now, it's flailing right. It doesn't matter though, they are irrelevant.
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« Reply #212 on: September 02, 2015, 06:52:51 pm »

That I get.

But can someone tell me why IRA front groups assuming the form of anti drug vigilantes are actually killing drug dealers? Are these all Unionist drug dealers? Is there some kind of history? Are they aiming for plausible deniability? Or so they just want an excuse to kill people?
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« Reply #213 on: September 02, 2015, 07:03:03 pm »

Of course there are Prod drug dealers as well. The Loyalist groups all got into the act. Its a sign of real cross-community progress in its way.
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« Reply #214 on: September 02, 2015, 07:05:34 pm »

Some of the worst 'incidents' in the past 10 years in the North have been between rival loyalist paramilitaries - related usually to their 'share' of the local drug trade.
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« Reply #215 on: September 03, 2015, 08:53:26 am »
« Edited: September 03, 2015, 08:58:42 am by ObserverIE »

That I get.

But can someone tell me why IRA front groups assuming the form of anti drug vigilantes are actually killing drug dealers? Are these all Unionist drug dealers? Is there some kind of history? Are they aiming for plausible deniability? Or so they just want an excuse to kill people?

Drug dealers shot by Republican paramilitaries are from their own side of the fence.

This current spate of killings is a feud between two groups of ex-Provisional IRA men in Belfast. The story as retailed by Henry McDonald in the Guardian is that McGuigan was planning to take out other ex-IRA leaders after having shot Davison and that the shooting of McGuigan was a pre-emptive strike. (McDonald is an ex-Stick and is not notably friendly to the Provisionals so has no motive to minimise any SF connection.) The Phoenix (Irish equivalent of Private Eye) has a similar story in the current issue.
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« Reply #216 on: September 09, 2015, 12:15:58 pm »

The DUP have set an ultimatum to suspend Stormont or they quit as ministers.

Now I don't usually like the DUP very much, but I can kind of see why they'd be unhappy. The PIRA was meant to be history and it doesn't seem to be.
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« Reply #217 on: September 09, 2015, 03:47:47 pm »

Re : The supposed continued existence of the Provvies, did anybody really expect them to just give up the stranglehold they had on their own communities, let alone the leverage that an armed organisation would have in any outbreak of violence?

The important thing is that they are no longer political, they are criminal. So lock them up and be done with them, as they won't be able to claim they are of the same political stock as Bobby Sands.

I'm still unsure as to why the UUP did what they did.
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« Reply #218 on: September 10, 2015, 11:19:03 am »

Peter Robinson has resigned.
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« Reply #219 on: September 10, 2015, 11:20:03 am »

Robinson "steps aside" but claims he hasn't actually resigned, all the DUP ministers are gone apart from Arlene Foster...?

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« Reply #220 on: September 10, 2015, 11:21:31 am »

Would there be elections next year by any chance?
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« Reply #221 on: September 10, 2015, 11:24:03 am »

Would there be elections next year by any chance?

Actually this is about ethics in sectarianism.
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« Reply #222 on: November 03, 2015, 03:39:51 am »

Assembly pass gay marriage, but DUP veto.

Anyway, Northern Irish politics are even dumber than usual at the moment so I thought we could bump this old thread,
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« Reply #223 on: November 03, 2015, 11:45:39 am »

Assembly pass gay marriage, but DUP veto.
Why?
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« Reply #224 on: November 03, 2015, 11:47:48 am »

Because SAVE ULSTER FROM SODOMY presumably.
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