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minionofmidas
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« on: August 07, 2004, 05:01:12 AM »
« edited: August 09, 2004, 05:57:50 AM by Lewis Trondheim »

Let's say a miracle happens and the world is declared a Democratic, Federal Republic with 600-odd FPTP consituencies of roughly 10 million each.
I still have some gaps in my districting plan, but here it comes:
(Technical notes: I've allowed a large amount of variation in order to preserve as many traditional boundaries as possible. All these constituencies have 7-13,5 Mio people in them, though.)

Canada - three seats:
Ontario
Canada East (Quebec, the Atlantic Provinces, and the tiny French dependency of St Pierre & Miquelon)
Canada West (remainder)

US - 28 seats:
New England (without Connecticut)
Connecticut - Long Island (incl. Suffolk, Nassau, Queens, Kings, and Richmond Cos)
New York (remainder of the state)
New Jersey
Pennsylvania
Ohio
Indiana - Kentucky
Illinois
Michigan
Wisconsin - Minnesota
Missouri - Iowa
Potomac (MD, DE, DC and WV)
Virginia
Carolinas
Georgia
Florida South (as far north as Manatee, Hardee, Highland, Okeechobee, Indian River)
Florida North (remainder)
Tennessee - Alabama
Lower Mississippi (MS, AR, LA)
Texas South(-East) (as far north as Newton, Jasper, Angelina, Trinity, Walker, Madison, Brazos, Burleson, Lee, Williamson, Travis, Hays, Comal, Bexar, Medina, Uvalde, Kinney)
Texas North(-West) remainder
Plains (ND to OK)
Colorado River (CO, NM, AZ)
USA Northeast (MT, WY, ID, UT, NV, OR)
Washington - Pacific (WA, AK, HI)
Los Angeles (Los Angeles, Ventura and Santa Barbara Cos)
California South (as far north as Mono, Fresno, San Luis Obispo)
California North

Cuba
Haiti
Dominican Republic
Caribbean (everything else there is, dependent or independent, except those islands belonging to Latin American mainland nations. Also includes Bermuda)

Mexico - 10 seats:
Mexico NW (Baja California Northe & Sur, Sonora, Sinaloa, Chihuahua) Currently I got that kind of name almost anywhere in Mexico, which is unsatisfying - better names please
Mexico North East (Coahuila, Tamaulipas, Nuevo Leon)
Mexico North Central (Durango, Zacatecas, Aguascalientes, San Luis Potosi, Guanajuato)
Guadalajara (Jalisco, Nayarit, Colima)
Mexico City (the Federal District)
Mexico State (around it)
Veracruz (Veracruz, Hidalgo, Queretaro)
Mexico South Central (Tlasxcala, Puebla, Morelos)
Mexico South (Michoacán, Guerrero, Oaxaca)
Mexico South East (Chiapas, Tabasco, Campeche, Yucatan, Quintana Roo)

Guatemala
Honduras (incl. Belize)
El Salvador
Nicaragua - Costa Rica - Panama
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« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2004, 05:12:40 AM »
« Edited: August 09, 2004, 05:59:33 AM by Lewis Trondheim »

Part two, South America...
Colombia - four seats:
Medellin - Cartagena (Colombian departments of Antioquia, Chocó, Cordoba, Sucre, Bolivar)
Colombia North East (Magdalena, Atlantico, La Guajira, San Andrés & Providencia, César, Norte de Santander, Santander, Boyacá, Arauca, Casanares, Vicheda, Guairia)
Bogotá (Santa Fé de Bogotà, Cundinamarca, Caldas, Risaralda, Quindia)
Colombia South (remainder)

Ecuador

Peru - three seats:
Lima (departments of Lima and Ancash)
Peru North (south as far as Huanuco, San Martín, Loreto)
Peru South (remainder)

Bolivia

Chile - two seats:
Santiago (Chilean districts of Santiago and Valparaiso)
Chile (remainder of the country)

Argentina - four seats:
Buenos Aires City (the Federal District and part of Buenos Aires state - I'd need more detailed data to draw the exact boundary, a problem that's going to recur)
Buenos Aires State (remainder of the state)
Argentina North East (Entre Rios, Corrientes, Misiones, Santa Fe, Chaco, Formosa, Jujuy, Salta states)
Argentina South & West (remainder)

Venezuela - three seats incl. the Guyanas:
Maracaibo (Venezolan states of Carabobo, Yaracay, Lara, Falcón, Zulia, Trujillo)
Caracas (Federal District, states of Miranda, Aragua, Guarico, Cojedos, Portuguesa)
Venezuela South West - Guyana (remainder of Venezuela plus Suriname, Guyana, French Guyana)

Brasil - 19 seats incl. Uruguay, Paraguay:
Amazonas (Brasilian states of Amazonas, Acre, Roraima, Parà, Amapà, Roraima)
Maranhao - Piauì
Cearà - Rio Grande do Norte
Recife (Pernambuco, Paraiba)
Salvador (part of Bahia state)
Bahia - Sergipe - Alagoas (incl. remainder of Bahia)
Paraguay - Mato Grosso (nation of Paraguay, Br. states of Mato Grosso and Mato Grosso do Sul)
Goiás (Federal district, states of Goiás and Tocantins)
Minas Geraís 1
Minas Geraís 2 (details???)
Rio de Janeiro 1
Rio 2 - Espirito Santo
Sao Paulo 1 to 3
Parana
Santa Caterina - Rio Grande do Sul 1
Uruguay - Rio Grande do Sul 2
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« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2004, 02:52:25 PM »
« Edited: August 09, 2004, 06:04:11 AM by Lewis Trondheim »

Here comes...
Norway - Denmark (also includes Iceland, Danish dependencies)
Sweden
Finland - Baltic Countries

UK - 7 seats incl. Ireland:
Ireland - Scotland (also includes NI)
England North(-East) (Northeast and Yorkshire&Humberside regions, Cumbria, and Man)
England North West - Wales (Lancashire, Cheshire, Greater Manchester, Merseyside; Wales)
Midlands
England South West (South West region, Hampshire, East & West Sussex, Berkshire, Wight, Channel Isles)
London - Surrey
England South East (remainder)

Netherlands - two seats:
Netherlands West (North Holland, South Holland, Zeeland, Utrecht, Flevoland)
Netherlands East (remainder)

Belgium - Luxembourg

France - six seats:
Ile-de-France
France North West (Nord-PdC, Picardie, Haute & Basse Normandie)
France North East (Alsace, Lorraine, Champagne, Bourgogne, Franche Comté)
France West (Bretagne, Pays de la Loire, Poitou-Charentes, Centre)
France South East (Rhone-Alpes, PACA, Corse; Monaco)
France South West (Languedoc-Roussillon, Auvergne, Limousin, Midi-Pyrennees, Aquitaine)

Spain - four seats:
Spain North (Galicia, Asturias, Cantabria, Basque Country, Navarra, La Rioja, Aragon)
Catalonia - Valencia (incl. Balearic Islands, Andorra)
Castile (Castile-León, Madrid, Castile-La Mancha, Murcia)
Spain South (Extremadura, Andalusia, Canaries, Ceuta, Melilla)

Portugal

Germany - eight seats:
Lower Saxony (incl. Hamburg, Bremen)
North Rhine (Düsseldorf and Cologne RBs of NRW)
Westphalia (remainder of NRW)
Germany South West (Hessen, Rhenania-Palatinate, Saarland)
Baden-Württemberg
Bavaria
Germany Central (Saxony, Saxony-Anhalt, Thuringia)
Germany North East (remainder)

Switzerland (incl. Liechtenstein)

Italy - six seats:
Italy North West (Piedmont, Val d'Aosta, Liguria, Tuscany)
Lombardy - Trentino-South Tirol
Italy North East (Veneto, Friuli - Venezia Giulia, Emilia-Romagna)
Italy Centre (Marche, Abruzzo, Molise, Umbria, Lazio; San Marino, Vatican)
Campagna - Puglie - Basilicata
Sicily - Calabria - Sardinia (incl. Malta)

Poland - four seats  incl. Kaliningrad:
Gdansk - Poznan (Pomorske, Zachadnopomorske, Kujawo-Pomorske, Wielkopolske)
Silesia (Slaskie, Opolskie, Dolnoslaskie, Lubuskie)
Krakow - Lodz (Lodzkie, Swietokryskie, Malopolske, Podkarpacie)
Warshow - Kaliningrad (Masowieckie, Podlaskie,
Warmino-Mazurske, Lubelskie; Russian Exclave
Kaliningrad)

Czech Republic
Austria - Slovakia
Hungary
Slowenia - Croatia - Bosnia
Serbia-Montenegro
Albania - Macedonia - Bulgaria
Greece

Romania - two seats:
Romania South (districts in Walachia and Dobrudzha historical regions; Bacau, Vaslui, Galati and Vrancea districts in Moldova region)
Romania North (remainder)

Ukraine - five seats incl. Moldavia:
Moldavia - Odessa - Crimea (Ukrainian Oblasts of Odessa, Mykolayev, Kherson, Crimea AR; Moldavia)
Ukraine West (or Lvov) (Carpathia, Ivano-Frankovsk, Lvov, Cernovtsy, Ternopol, Wolhynia, Rivne, Khmelnitski)
Ukraine Central (or Kiev) (Kiew, Zhitomir, Vinnitsa, Tcherkasy, Kirovograd)
Ukraine North East (or Kharkov) (Tchernihov, Poltava, Sumy, Kharkov, Luhansk)
Ukraine East (or Doneck) (Doneck, Zhaporozhe, Dnepropetrovsk)

Belarus

Russia - 13 seats incl. Mongolia:
Saint Petersburg (all the North Western Region exc. Kaliningrad, Komi AR, Nency AD)
Moscow City
Moscow Rural - Tver (Moscow, Tver, Smolensk oblasts)
Russia West (Bryansk, Orel, Krusk, Belgorod, Voronezh, Tula, Kaluga)
Russia Central (Yaroslavl, Kostroma, Ivanovo, Vladimir, Ryasan, Tambov, Lipeck)
North Caucasus (Krasnodar, Adygai AD, all those Autonomous Republics down there exc. Kalmykhia)
Rostov (Rostov, Volgograd, Astrakhan, Kalmykhia, Stavropol)
Samara (Samara, Saratov, Simbirsk, Penza, Mordwinia, Tchuwashia)
Kazan - Ufa - Orenburg (Tatarstan, Udmurtia, Bashkortostan, Orenburg)
Nizhni Novgorod - Western Ural (Nizhni-Novgorod, Mari-El, Vyatka, Perm, Komi-Permyak AD, Komi, Nency AD)
Yekaterinburg (Yekaterinburg, Kurgan, Tchelyabinsk)
Siberia West (Tyumen, Omsk, Tomsk, Novosibirsk, two Autonomous Districts)
Siberia East (Altai oblast, Altai AR, Tuwa, Khakassia ARs, Krasnoyarsk, Irkutsk, Kemerovo, 3 ADs)
Russian Far East - Mongolia (all the Far East region, Tchita, Buryatia, Agin Buryatian AD; Mongolia)

Georgia - Armenia
Azerbeidzhan

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« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2004, 02:58:10 PM »

I guess Sweden and Norway could be combined into one, with Denmark joining Northern Germany and Finland merging with the Baltic states.
You guessed wrong...although this would also have been possible...
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« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2004, 03:19:50 PM »
« Edited: August 09, 2004, 06:11:54 AM by Lewis Trondheim »

Now it gets interesting...Asia, continent of the future!
Kazakhstan - two seats
Uzbekistan - three seats, one of which to include Turkmenia
Kirgizia - Tadzhikistan

Turkey - seven seats:
Istanbul (provinces of Istanbul, Tekirdag, Kirklareli, Edirne)
Turkey West Coast (Aydin, Izmir, Manisa, Mugla, Canakkale, Bursa, Balikesir, Yalova)
Turkey North Coast (Kocaeli, Amasya, Bartin, Bilecik, Bolu, Cankiri, Corum, Düzce, Karabük, Kastamonu, Sakarya, Sinop, Zonguldak, Ordu, Giresun, Tokat)
Adana - Konya (Konya, Karaman, Mersin, Osmaniye, Adana, Antalya, Hatay, Nigde, Aksaray)
Ankara (Ankara, Afyon, Burdur, Denizli, Eskisehir, Isparta, Kirikkale, Kirsehir, Kütahya, Usak, Yozgat)
Turkey Centre East (Adiyaman, Gaziantep, Kilis, Kahramanmaras, Kayseri, Nevsehir, Sivas, Malatya, Erzincan, Tunceli, Elazig, Sanliurfa)
Turkey East (Agri, Batman, Bingöl, Bitlis, Diyarbakir, Hakkari, Igdir, Kars, Mardin, Mus, Siirt, Sirnak, Van, Ardahan, Artvin, Bayburt, Erzurum, Gümüshane, Rize, Trabzon)

Syria - two seats, one of which to include Libanon
Israel - Cyprus (incl. the occupied territories)
Saudi-Arabia - three seats, one of which to include Jordan
Yemen - two seats
Gulf States (Oman, UAE, Bahrain, Qatar, Kuwait)
Iraq - two seats

Iran - seven seats:
Tehran (only part of that province)
Iran North (remainder of Tehran province, Mazandaran, Gorguz, Semnan, Zanjan, Qazvin)
Tabriz (West Azebeidzhan, East Azerbeidzhan, Ardabil, Gilan)
Iran West (Kordestan, Kermanshah, Ilam, Lorestan, Hamadan, Markazi, Qom)
Iranian Gulf Coast (Khuzestan, Bakhtiara & Chahar Mahall, Bayer Ahmadi & Kokhiluye, Bushehr, Hormuzgan, Sistan & Baluchestan)
Isfahan - Shiraz (Isfahan, Yazd, Fars)
Khorasan - Kerman

Afghanistan - two seats

Pakistan - 15 seats:
Eight seats in the Punjab
Three seats in Sindh
One seat for Baluchistan
Three seats for the NWF province including Islamabad, the Tribal Area, and Pakistani Kashmir

India - 102 seats
Jammu & Kasmir (Indian part only)
Punjab North (Gurdaspur, Amritsar, Tarn Taran, Jullundur, Phillaur, Hoshiarpur Lok Sabha constituencies)
Punjab South (remainder)
Haryana North (Ambala, Kurukshetra, Karnal, Hissar, Sirsa; Chandigarh UT)
Haryana South (remainder)

Rajasthan: six seats
Rajasthan North (or Bikaner) (Ganganagar, Bikaner, Churu, Jhunjhunu)
Alwar - Bharatpur (Alwar, Bharatpur, Bayana, Sawai Madhopur)
Jaipur (Jaipur, Sikar, Dausa, Tonk)
Jodhpur (Jodhpur, Nagaur, Barmer, Ajmer)
Rajasthan South (or Udaipur) (Salumber, Udaipur, Pali, Jalore)
Rajasthan SOuth East (Kota, Jhalawar, Chittorgarh, Banswara)

Gujarat: 5 seats
Saurashtra (Jamnagar, Rajkot, Porbabdar, Junagadh, Amreli, Bhavnagar; Diu)
Gujarat North West (Kutch, Surendranagar, Dhandhuka, Patan, Banaskantha)
Ahmedabad (Ahmedabad, Gandhinagar, Mehsana, Sabarkantha, Kapadvanj)
Vadodara (Kaira, Anand, Baroda, Dohad, Godhra)
Surat (Chota Udaipur, Broach, Surat, Mandvi, Bulsar; Daman, Dadra & Nagar Haveli)

Uttaranchal - Himachal Pradesh
Delhi (at 13,8 Mio and fast growing - so I guess two seats...but definitely not along its current insane constituency boundaries)

UP: 16 seats
Rohilkhand West (Bijnor, Amroha, Moradabad, Rampur, Sambhal)
Rohilkhand East (Budaun, Aonla, Bareilly, Pilibhit, Shahjahanpur)
Sitapur (Kheri, Shahabad, Sitapur, Misrikh, Hardoi)
Lucknow (Lucknow, Mohanlalganj, Unnao, Bara Banki)
Rae Bareli - Sultanpur (Amethi, Rae Bareli, Pratapgarh, Sultanpur, Akbarpur)
Faizabad (Faizabad, Kaiserganj, Bahraich, Balrampur, Gonda)
Gorakhpur (Basti, Domariaganj, Khalilabad, Gorakhpur, Maharajganj)
Uttar Pradesh North East (Padrauna, Deoria, Salempur, Ballia, Bansgaon)
Uttar Pradesh East (Azamgarh, Lalganj, Ghosi, Saidpur, Ghazipur)
Varanasi (Varanasi, Chandauli, Robertsganj, Murzapur, Jaunpur)
Allahabad (Allahabad, Chail, Banda, Machlishahr, Phulpur)
Kanpur (Kanpur, Bilhaur, Ghatampur, Fatehpur)
Etawah - Jhansi (Hamirpur, Jhansi, Jalaun, Etawah, Kannauj)
Farrukhabad - Jalesar (Farrukhabad, Mainpuri, Jalesar, Etah, Hathras)
Agra (Firozabad, Agra, Mathura, Aligarh)
Meerut (Khurja, Bulandshahr, Hapur, Meerut)
Uttar Pradesh North West (Baghpat, Muzaffarnagar, Kairana, Saharanpur)
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« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2004, 03:39:09 PM »

Hmm... what about Parties?
A starting point could be them clubs of Parties (Internationals I think)
In the first election, people would still elect members of their local parties (where elections exist) These would probably soon coalesce into new global parties, with the North-South conflict as the major faultline.
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« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2004, 04:01:38 PM »
« Edited: August 09, 2004, 06:10:46 AM by Lewis Trondheim »

Madhya Pradesh: six seats
Gwalior (Morena, Bhind, Gwalior, Guna, Rajgarh)
Madhya Pradesh North East (Khajuraho, Damoh, Satna, Rewa, Sidhi)
MP South East (Shahdol, Balaghat, Mandla, Jabalpur, Seoni)
MP Central (Sagar, Chhindwara, Betul, Hoshangabad, Vidisha)
Bhopal - Indore (Bhopal, Indore, Shajapur, Ujjain)
MP South West (Khandwa, Khargone, Dhar, Jhabua, Mandsaur)

Chhattisgarh North (Suguja, Raigarh, Janjgir, Bilaspur, Sarangarh)
Chhattisgarh South (remainder)

Bihar: 8 seats
Gopalganj (or Bihar North West) (Bagaha, Bettiah, Motihari, Gopalganj, Siwan)
Chapra - Muzaffarpur (Maharajganj, Chapra, Hajipur, Vaishali, Muzaffarpur)
Darbhanga (Sitamarhi, Sheohar, Madhubani, Jhanjharpur, Darbhanga)
Kishanganj (Saharsa, Madhepura, Araria, Kishanganj, Purnea)
Bhagalpur (Katihar, Banka, Bhagalpur, Khagaria, Monghyr)
Bihar Central (Rosera, Samastipur, Barh, Balia, Begusarai)
Patna (Patna, Arrah, Buxar, Sasaram, Bikramganj)
Gaya (or Bodhgaya) (Nalanda, Aurangabad, Jahanabad, Nawada, Gaya)

Jharkand: three seats
Santhal Parganas (Rajmahal, Dumka, Godda, Kodarma)
Dhanbad - Jharkand North West (Chatra, Giridh, Dhanbad, Palamau, Hazaribagh)
Jharkand South (or Ranchi) (remainder of the state)

Orissa: four seats
Orissa North East (Mayurbhanj, Balasore, Bhadrak, Jajpur, Kendrapara)
Bhubaneshwar (Cuttack, Jagatsinghpur, Puri, Bhubaneshwar, Aska)
Orissa SOuth (Berhampur, Koraput, Nowrangpur, Kalahandi, Phulbani, Bolangir)
Orissa North West (remainder)

Maharashtra: 10 seats
Mumbai (Mumbai South, South Central, North Central, North West, North)
Thane (Mumbai North East, Thane, Kolaba, Dahanu)
Malegaon (Nashik, Malegaon, Dhuile, Nandurbar, Erandol)
Aurangabad (Jalgaon, Buldhana, Parbhani, Jalna, Aurangabad)
Washim (Washim, Akola, Amravati, Wardha, Yavatmal)
Nagpur (Ramtek, Nagpur, Bhandara, Chimu, Chandrapur)
Nanded - Osmanabad (Hingoli, Nanded, Beed, Latur, Osmanabad)
Pune (Ahmednagar, Kopergaon, Khed, Pune, Baramati)
Sholapur (Sholapur, Pandharpur, Satara, Karad, Sangli)
Maharashtra South West - Goa (remainder of Maharashtra, Goa)

Karnataka: 5 seats
Raichur (Bidar, Gulbarga, Raichur, Koppal, Bagalkot, Bijapur)
Hubli-Dharwad (Shimoga, Kanara, Dharwad S, Dharwad N, Belgaum, Chikkodi)
Karnataka Central (Bellary, Davangere, Chitradurga, Tumkur, Mandya)
Mysore (Chamarajnagar, Mysore, Mangalore, Udupi, Hassan, Chikmagalur)
Bangalore (Chikballapur, Kolar, Kanakapura, Bangalore N, Bangalore S)

Kerala: three seats
Calicut (Kasargod, Cannanore, Badagara, Calicut, Manjeri, Ponnani; Lakshadweep UT)
Cochin (Palghat, Ottapalam, Trichur, Mukundapuram, Ernakulam, Muvattupzha, Kottayam)
Trivandrum (Idukki, Alleppey, Mavelikkara, Addor, Quilon, Chirayinkil, Trivandrum)

Andhra Pradesh: 8 seats
Visakhapatnam (Srikakulam, Parvathipuram, Bobbili, Visakhapatnam, Anakapalli)
Godavari (Bhadrachalam, Kakinada, Rajahmundry, Amalapuram, Narasapur, Elluru)
Vijayawada (Machilipatnam, Vijayawada, Tenali, Guntur, Bapatla)
Tirupathi (Ongole, Nellore, Tirupathi, Chittoor, Rajampet)
Kurnool (Cuddapah, Hindupur, Anantapur, Kurnool, Nandyal)
Andhra Pradesh Central (Narasaraopet, Nagarkurnool, Mahabubnagar, Nalgonda, Miryalguda)
Hyderabad (Hyderabad, Secunderabad, Siddipet, Medak, Nizamabad)
Warangal (remainder of Andhra)

Tamil Nadu: six seats
Chennai (Chennai N, C, S, Sriberumpudur, Chengalpattu; Andaman & Nicobar islands)
Pondicherry (Arakkonam, Vellore, Tirupattu, Vadavasi, Tindavanam, Cuddalore; Pondicherry UT)
Salem - Coimbatore (Salem, COimbatore, Dharmapuri, Krishnagiri, Tiruchengode, Nilgiris, Nagapattinam, Thanjavur)
Tiruchirapalli (Chidambaram, Rasipuram, Tiruchirapalli, Perambalur, Mayiladuturai, Gobichettipalayam)
Madurai (Pollachi, Palani, Dindigul, Madurai, Periyakulam, Karur, Sivakasi)
Tuticorin - Nagercoil (Pudukkottai, Sivaganga, Ramanthapuram, Tirunelveli, Tenkasi, Tiruchendur, Nagercoil)

West Bengal: eight seats
Darjeeling (Kuch Bihar, Alipurduars, Jalpaiguri, Darjeeling, Raiganj; Sikkim)
Murshidabad (Balurghat, Malda, Jangipu, Murshidabad, Berhampur)
Hooghly (Krishnagar, Nabadwip, Barasat, Barrackpur, Hooghly, Katwa)
West Bengal South East (Basirhat, Joynagar, Mathurapur, Diamond Harbour, Jadavpur)
Calcutta (Calcutta NW, NE, S, Dum Dum, Howrah)
Uluberia (Uluberia, Serampore, Arambagh, Panskura, Tamluk)
Midnapur (Contai, Midnapore, Jhargram, Purulia, Bankura, Vishnupur)
Asansol (remainder of WB)

Bhutan - Assam West - Meghalaya (incl. Assamese constituencies of Dhubri, Kokrajhar, Barpeta)
Gauhati - Assam South (Nowgong, Mangaldoi, Gauhati, Autonomous District, Silchar, Karimganj)
Assam East (remainder)
Hill States (Arunachal, Nagaland, Mizoram, Manipur, Tripura)
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« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2004, 04:04:25 AM »

I like this a lot. I'm wondering about Israel-Palestine-Cyprus; a bare Jewish plurality, Muslims striving for dominate control; the Greeks balance siding with the Jews to stave off an Arab-Turkish govt. Weird.

Or you could shovel Cyprus into Greece and leave Israel as it is; in that case it's basically the same but with a much more powerful Muslim minority destined to gain dominance via demographic a-la-Lebanon in twenty years or so.

Could you tell us roughly how many districts there are each for the various major world regions?

I feel that this scenario is plausible in thrity to fifty years, given globalization trends and the rise of democracy globally; however, it will certainly not happen tomorrow.
Obviously not! And in thirty to fifty years the districts would have to look different again...
As China has about one fifth of the world's population, India one sixth, the whole of Asia well over half, and Africa, Europe, North America incl. Central America, and South America are very, very roughly equal at present, I guess that gives you an idea.
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« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2004, 04:28:16 AM »
« Edited: August 09, 2004, 06:15:57 AM by Lewis Trondheim »

Nepal - two seats. I've actually found a district map for Nepal, but no population stats yet...
Bangladesh - 14 seats. dito.

Sri Lanka: two
Sri Lanka South West - Maldives (Southern, Western and Sabaragamuwa districts; also includes Chagos Islands)
Sri Lanka North East - remainder

China - those provinces are too darn large, and I haven't looked for more detailed data yet. Anyways, I'm not holding my breath. 124 seats all in all.
Xinjiang - two seats
Tibet - Qinghai (also includes Chinese occupied part of Kashmir)
Gansu - three seats, one of which also includes Ningxia
Inner Mongolia - two seats
Heilongjiang - four seats
Jilin - three seats
Liaoning - four seats
Hebei - seven seats
Beijing - same size as Delhi, two seats
Tianjin
Shanxi - four seats
Henan - nine seats
Shandong - nine seats
Jiangsu - seven seats
Shanghai - two seats
Anhui - six seats
Hubei - six seats
Zhejiang - five seats
Fujian - three seats
Jiangxi - four seats
Hunan - six seats
Guangdong - nine seats
Hongkong - Macao
Hainan
Guangxi & Guizhou - eight seats in all: four in Guangxi, three in Guizhou, one straddling the border
Chongqing - three seats (this is officially a "city with provincial status" with thirty million inhabitants and the surface area of South Carolina)
Sichuan - eight seats
Yünnan - four seats

Taiwan: two seats:
Taiwan North - Taipei city, Taipei district, Taoyüan district, Chilung city, Ilan district, Hsinchu city, Hsinchu district, Miaoli districth, Huchien district, Taichang district, Islands off the Chinese coast
Taiwan South - remainder

Myanmar - five seats (see Nepal)

Thailand - six seats
Thailand North (the Northern Region, really the NW part of the country)
two seats for the North Eastern Region, to be named after major cities or rivers
Bangkok - Bangkok region and part of Central Region
Thailand Central - remainder of Central Region
Thailand South - the Southern Region

Cambodia - two seats, one of which to include Laos

Vietnam - eight seats
Vietnam North East (the Eastern North region)
Vietnam North West - Hanoi (the Western North region and part of the Red River Delta region)
Red River Delta (remainder)
Vietnam North Central
Vietnam South Central (South Central and Southern Highlands regions)
Vietnam South East (80-90% of that region)
Mekong Delta (60% of that region)
Ho Chi Minh City (remainder of both regions - city is just in Mekong Delta region)

two seats for North Korea (see Nepal)

South Korea - five seats:
Seoul (the city)
Kyonggi (Kyonggi district, Incheon city)
South Korea East (Kangwon, Kyongsang-Puk, Chungchong-Puk districts, Taegu city)
South Korea South West (Cheju, Cholla-Nam, Cholla-Puk, Chungchong-Nam districts, Kwangju city)
Kyongsang-Nam (Kyongsang-Nam district, Pusan, Ulsan cities)

Japan - 13 seats
Hokkaido - Tohoku North (Hokkaido, Aomori, Akita, Iwate prefectures)
Tohoku South - Chubu North (Miyagi, Yamagata, Fukushima, Niigata, Nagano)
Kanto North (Ibaraki, Tochigi, Gunma)
Saitama - Chiba
Tokyo
Kanagawa - Yamanashi
Aichi - Shizuoka
Chubu West - Kyoto (Toyama, Ishikawa, Fukui, Gifu, Shiga, Kyoto)
Osaka
Chugoku North East - Kobe (Tottori, Shimane, Okayama, Hyogo)
Kii - Shikoku (Mie, Nara, Wakayama; Shikoku island)
Shimonoseki (Hiroshima, Yamaguchi, Fukuoka)
Kyushu - Ryukyu (Kyushu island exc. Fukuoka; Okinawa)

Philippines - eight seats. Problem: I have pop. figures for 15 or so regions and a map with 70-odd districts)

Malaysia - three seats:
Malaysia North West (Perlis, Kedah, Pinang, Perak, Selangor states, Capital district)
Malaysia South - Singapore (Johor, Melaka, Negri Sembilan states; Singapore)
Malaysia East - Brunei (Pahang, Kelantan, Terengganu states on the mainland, Sarawak, Sabah states, Labuan district on Borneo; Brunei)

Indonesia - twenty-two seats
Aceh - North Sumatra 1
West Sumatra - North Sumatra 2 (so I'm splitting that province, on what boundary I know not)
Riau - Jambi
South Sumatra (incl. Bangka Belitung)
Lampung - Bengkulu
Jakarta
Banten
West Java - four seats
Central Java - three seats
East Java - four seats, one of which to include Yogyakarta
Kalimantan (all of Indonesian Borneo)
Nusa Tenggara (Bali, Nusa Tenggara E, Nusa Tenggara W; East Timor)
South Sulawesi (South Sulawesi and South East Sulawesi provinces)
North Sulawesi - Maluku - Papua (remainder of Indonesia)

Australia - two seats:
New South Wales - Queensland (also incl. ACT)
Australia South & West (remainder, including dependencies)

Pacific (all the states and French and NZ dependencies out there, incl. Papua New Guinea and Newzealand)
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« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2004, 04:43:41 AM »
« Edited: August 09, 2004, 05:56:11 AM by Lewis Trondheim »

Last instalment...Africa
Egypt - 7 seats:
Kairo - Sinai (Kairo, Suez, Sinai North, Sinai South, Port Said, Ismailiyah)
Lower Egypt East (Sharkiyah, Damiette, Daqaliyah)
Lower Egypt West (Qalubiyah, Minutiyah, Gharbiyah)
Alexandria (Kafr-ash-Shaik, Buhayrah, Alexandria)
Gizeh (Giezeh, MArsa Matruh, Fayyum)
Asyut (Minya, Wadi Al Jadid, Asyut, Bani Suways)
Assuan (Qina, Uqsur, Assuan, Bahr al Ahmar, Suhaj)

Tunesia
Algeria - three seats
Morocco - three seats, one of which to include West Sahara and Mauretania
Libya - Chad
Senegal - Gambia
Guinea (incl. Guinea-Bissau)
Liberia - Sierra Leone - Cape Verde
Mali
Burkina Faso
Cote d'Ivoire - two seats

Ghana - two seats:
Ghana North (Ashanti, Broms-Ahafo, Volta, North, Upper East, Upper West)
Ghana South (Easter, Central, Accra, Western)

Benin - Togo
Niger
Nigeria - twelve seats
Sudan - three seats
Cameroon (one seat entirely within the state, plus)
Cameroon - Gabon - Brazzaville (Gabon, Congo Brazzaville, Equatorial Guinea, Sao Tomé & Principe, and the remainder of Cameroon)
DR Congo - six seats, one of which to include the Central African Republic
Somalia (incl. Djibouti)
Ethiopia - seven seats, one of which to include Eritrea
Kenya - three seats (see Nepal)
Uganda - two seats
Rwanda
Burundi
Tanzania - three seats
Madagaskar South (but I can't tell you where it ends)
Madagaskar North - Indian Ocean (incl. Mauritius, Comoro, Seychelles, French dependencies over there)

Mozambique - two seats:
Mozambique North (Niassa, Cabo Delgado, Zambezia, Nampula)
Mozambique South (remainder)

Malawi
Zambia
Zimbabwe
Angola

South Africa - five seats incl. several smaller countries:
KwaZulu-Natal - Swaziland
Mpumalanga - Botswana (also incl. Northern Province)
Gauteng - Free State
Eastern Cape - Lesotho
Cape Town - Namibia (incl. Western Cape, Northern Cape, North West; Namibia; St Helena, Falklands)
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« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2004, 04:47:45 AM »

What happened to Western Papua?

Some of these names need to be considerably more romantic, interesting, and historical.
You're invited to make some. Western Papua is in Sulawesi North - Maluku - Papua. (The province has been renamed Papua a while ago - used to be called West Irian.)
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« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2004, 05:48:59 AM »


Wow...You're knowledge of geography is astounding, Lewis.  
For countries that have multiple districts, maybe you could list how many districts each country has and separate them out by spaces in your lists...it would be more readable that way.
I just looked up anything I could look up...
I'll edit it for readability.
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« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2004, 05:49:52 AM »

You are currently working on a map for us aren't you Lewis.  *Looks up hopefully*

I love maps.
I hereby appoint you my mapmaker. Smiley
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« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2004, 05:51:32 AM »

This is really cool Lewis.  A great starting point for initiating global socialism.  We will start by assessing needs within the newly created districts.  Then we can begin organization of the One World Socialist Order and have  the UN redistribute wealth on a global scale so that everyone's basic needs are met: housing, clean water, enough food, free education and freedom of worship.  

Marx is right.  It is inevitable.  It's an idea that will never die and will win eventually.  From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.  So doable.  Will happen.

All in all it would cost maybe 20% of the current US defense budget, or roughly $100 bil. per year to meet the basic human rights of the world's population.  This is so doable.  If we can only get the righties to stop howling about putting blue helmets on our troops we could get to work.  Give it...maybe fifty years.

freedomburns

I am saddened by the fact that you're probably not joking...you can't just pour money on problems and expect them to disappear.

And what's so bad about self-governance and letting peoples run their own countries the way they want?

My response is that a global federal system will of course include exensive guarantees of regional rights.  Self-governance will be the rule, the exception, rarely used to resolve inter-regional disputes will be the Global UN Fegeration Government.  The system will only work if we are past the tribal warfare stage of human deveolpment and evolution.

The other point is that you cannot just sit idly by seeing the enormous problems and expect them to disappear.  Is global suffering to be the rule of the day then?  Have you no compassion for those less fortunate than yourself?

freedomburns
 
I share about 85%-90% of your hopes, 5% of your optimism.
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« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2004, 10:04:06 AM »

Update:
Nepal West - Gorkha and Chitawan districts, all the districts west of that, and Parsa, Bara and Ratahat districts.
Nepal East - remainder

Bangla Desh:
Sylhet - Sylhet division
Rangpur (or Bangladesh NW) - Thakurgaon, Panchagarh, Dinajpur, Nilphamari, Latmonirhat, Rangpur zillas
Bogra - Kurigram, Gaibandhia, Bogra, Sirajganj, Joypurhat zillas
Rajshahi - Rajshahi, Nawabganj, Naogaon, Natore, Pabna zillas
Khulna - Khulna, Bagarhat, Satkhira, Narail zillas
Bangladesh West - remainder of Khulna division
Mymensingh - Mymensingh, Kirshoreganj, Netrokona zillas
Tangail - Jamalpur, Sherpur, Tangail, Gazipur, Narsinghdi zillas
Dhaka - Dhaka, Manikganj zillas
Bangladesh Central - remainder of Dhaka division
Barisal - Barisal division
Comilla - Comilla, Brahmanberia zillas
Noakhali - Chandpur, Lakshmipur, Noakhali, Feni zillas
Chittagong - Khagradhari, Chittagong, Bandarban, Rangarmati, Cox's Bazaar zillas

Cambodia
Cambodia South (or Phnom Penh) - Phnom Penh, Kendal, Prey Veaeng, Svay Rieng, Takaev, Kampot, Krong Kaeb, Krong Preah Sihanouk, Kampong Spueu, Kaoh Kang, Kampong Cham, Kampong Chhuang provinces
Cambodia North - Laos : remainder

Coming soon: Algeria, Myanmar.
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« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2004, 12:38:05 PM »

The site's population totals seem a bit high at times...
Anyways, all of these are from the site:
Myanmar
Myanmar East (Tanintharyi Region, Kyin, Kayah, Mon and Shan States)
Yangon (Yangon, Bago Regions)
Myanmar South (Ayayarawaddy Region, Rakhine State)
Mandalay (Mandalay Region, part of Mague Region)
Myanmar Central (Remainder of Mague Region, Sagaing Region, Chin, Kachin States)

Cameroon:
Cameroon North West: Nord, Nord Extreme, Adamaoua, Ouest, Nord-Ouest, Sud-Ouest
Cameroon South - etc: includes Littoral, Centre, Est, Sud

Kazakhstan:
North:
West Kazakhstan, Atyrau, Mankistau, Aktobe, Kostanai, North Kazakhstan, Astana, Pavlodar, East Kazakhstan
South:
Karagandi, Ahmecet, South Kazakhstan, Taraz, Almaty

Kenya:
West (Western, Nyanza, part of Rift Valley)
Nairobi (Nairobi, Central, remainder of Rift Valley)
East (Coastal, Eastern, North Eastern)

North Korea:
SW (or Pyongyang): Pyongyang, Nampo, Hwangae-Puk, Hwanghaue-Nam, Kaesong, Pyongan-Nam
NE: remainder

Madagascar:
not really content with this...
NE (Antanarivo, Toamasira, Antsinarana)
SW & Indian Ocean

Morocco:
Fès - Tanger (Oriental, Fès-Boulanare, Taza-Al Hoceima-Taouane, Tanger-Tétouan, Gharb-Charda-Beni Hassan, Meknes-Tahiya)
Rabat - Casablanca (Rabat-Sale-Zammam-Zaer, Casablanca, Chaoua-Ouardigha, Doukhela-Abda, Tadla-Azilal)
Marrakech - Mauretania (Marrakech-Tengift-Al Haauz, Sousse-Massa-Drau, Guelmin; Sahara; Mauretania).
And if I'd written this down legitly, I wouldnÄt have so many spelling errors now.

DR Congo
Kivu (Kivu North, Kivu South)
Central African Republic - Kisangani (incl. Haut-Congo)
Kinshasa
Congo South East (Katanga, Maniema, Kesai Oriental)
Congo South West (Bas_Congo, Bandundu)
Congo North West (Kasai Occidental, Equator)

Ethiopia:
Tigray - Afar - Eritrea
Amhara - two districts
Somali, Deredewa, Harar, and part of Oromia
Addis Abeba and part of Oromia
Gambella, Benishengui, and part of Oromia
Southern

Iraq:
North (Irbil, Sulaymaniyah, Dahuk, Tamim, Nineveh, Salah-ed-Din, Diyala)
Baghdad-Kerbela (Baghdad, Al-Anber, Kerbela)
South (remainder)

Cote d'Ivoire
South East (Comoe Sud, Moyen Comoe, N'zi-Comoe, Agnéby, Lagunes, Lacs, Sud-Bandama)
North West (remainder)

Algeria
Algier (Algier, Burmardas, Blidah, Bouira, Midyah, Tin Ouazou, Burj Bu Amridj, Bejaiaj, Satif, Tebesse)
Ouran & Algeria South (anything west, plus those wilayats south of the mountains as far as Ouagla and Djelfa)
Constantine (anything east of Algier constituency)

Afghanistan:
North East (Badakhshan, Tahar, Qunduz, Baglan, Parwan, Nuristan, Kunar, Nangarhar, Lagman, Kanisa, Kabul)
South West (remainder)
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« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2004, 12:39:57 PM »
« Edited: August 09, 2004, 01:18:50 PM by Lewis Trondheim »

Once I'm done with this source, I'll still have problems in China, Vietnam, Ethiopia, Brazil, Argentina, Indonesia and Pakistan. The Pakistani government doesn't publish anything more detailed than those monster provinces on the net, and the population of Pakistani Kashmir is actually classified information! But this page has some data on the area, wherever from...

Anyways, Nigeria:
Lagos
Ogun - Oyo
Ilopi - Akura (Osun, Ondo, Ekiti, Kwana)
Port Harcourt (Akwa Ibom, Rivers, Bayelsa)
Delta - Edo - Anambra
Nigeria South East (Imo, Abia, Cross River, Ebonyi)
Enugu - Benwe - Koyi
Nigeria North East (Borno, Yobe, Gombe, Adamawa)
Abuja (Taraba, Plateau, Nassarawa, NCT, Niger)
Nigeria North West (Kebbi, Sokolo, Zamfara, Katsina)
Kano - Jigawa
Kaduna - Bauchi

Saudi Arabia
Jordan - Medinah (Al-Medinah, Tabuk, Al Hudud-Ash-Shamaliyah, Janaf, Ha'il, Qasim; Jordan)
Mekkah (Mekkah, Asir, Jizan, Al-Barhah)
Riyad (Riyad, Sharkiyah, Najran)

Philippines
North Luzon (Cagayan, Cordillera, Ilocos)
Central Luzon
Manila (National Capital Region)
South Tagalog
Bicol - East Visayas
West Visayas (West Visayas, Central Visayas)
West Mindanao (West Mindanao, Central Mindanao, Autonomous Region Muslim Mindanao)
East Mindanao (South Mindanao, North Mindanao, Caraga)

Still to do, some other day:
Sudan, Syria, Tanzania, Uganda, Uzbekistan, Yemen, and Thailand for which this has more detailed info than I used previously.
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« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2004, 06:20:38 AM »

Once I'm done with this source, I'll still have problems in China, Vietnam, Ethiopia, Brazil, Argentina, Indonesia and Pakistan.

My proposal for Argentina:
- City of Buenos Aires and 16 suburban districts (Vicente Lopez, San Isidro, Moron, La Matanza, Quilmes, Lomas de Zamora, San Martin, Tres de Febrero, Avellaneda, San Miguel, Hurlingham, Ituzaingo, Lanus, Malvinas Argentinas, San Miguel, Tigre). Total population: 8.9 million.
- Remaining State of Buenos Aires (8.5 million).
- Entre Rios, Santa Fe, Santiago del Estero, Corrientes, Misiones, Formosa, Chaco, Jujuy (9 million)
- Remaining provinces (10 million). This last district looks awful geographically, but it´s the only possibility with only 4 districts.

Hope this was helpful. If you can read spanish in www.indec.gov.ar they have almost every population statistics available.
I'll take your word on Buenos Aires state.
Why'd you exchange Salta and Santiago del Estero? (I'll have to take a look at the map for that.)
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« Reply #18 on: August 10, 2004, 07:28:55 AM »

That makes the Southern & Western district not contiguous! I'll go with mine even though populations are slightly less even.

Sudan
Khartoum (Al Bahr al Ahmar, Nahr an Nil, Kessala, Khartoum, Al Qadarif, Al Jazirah)
Sudan Central (Sinnar, An Nil al Azraq, An Nil al Abyad, Ash Shamaliya, Shamal Kurdufan, Gharb Kurdufan, Janub Kurdufan, A'Ali an Nil, Junqali)
Sudan South West (Shamal Darfur, Gharb Darfur, Janub Darfur, Shamal Bahr Al Gazal, Gharb Fahr al Gazal, Warab, Al Wahdah, Al Buhayrat, Gharb Al Istima'iyah, Bahr al Jabal, Sharkh al Istiwa'iyah)

And a little dossier of Arabic expresiions:
Bahr - Water (River or Sea)
Al Bahr al Ahmar - The Red Sea
Bahr Al Gazal - Gazelle River
Nil - what you think it means
An Nil al Azraq - Blue Nile
An Nil al Abyad - White Nile
Shamal - North
Gharb - West (as in Maghreb)
Janub - South
Sharkh - East

Syria
Libanon - Damascus (Libanon; Tartus, Al-Ladiqiyah, Damascus, Damascus City, Dar'a, As Suwayda, Al Qumaytirah)
Aleppo (Halab, Idlib, Hamah, Khims, Ar Raqqah. Bayr az Zaur, Al Khasakah)

Tanzania
Tanzania Coastal (or Daressalaam) (Zanzibar, Pemba, Daressalaam, Pwani, Lindi. Mtwara, Tanga, Kilimandjaro, Runuma, Morogoro)
Tanzania Central (Iringa, Mbeya, Dodoma, Singida, Arusha, Rukwa, Tabora)
Mwenza (or Tanzania NW, or Lake Victoria South) (Kagera, Mwenza, Shinyanga, Mara, Kigoma)

Uganda
Southwest - Central and Western divisions
Northeast - Northern and Eastern divisions

Uzbekistan
Turkmenia - Khorazm (Turkmenia; Karakalpakistan, Khorazm, Navoi)
Bukhara - Samarkand (Bukhara, Kaskadarya, Surhonda, Samarkand, Djisak, Sirdare)
Tashkent - Fergana (Tashkent, Fergana, Namangan, Andijon)

Yemen
North (Hajjah, Al Mahwid, San'a, San'a City, Al Khuddaydah, Djamar, Sa'dah, Al Jawf, Ma'rib)
South (the former South Yemen, ie Al Mahrah, Hadramaut, Shabwah, Abyan. Aden, Lahij; Al Bayda, where I'm not sure if it's the former South or not; and Ibb and Ta'izz, definitely from the old North Yemen)

Thailand
Chiang Mai (Mae Hong Son, Chiang Mai, Lamphun, Chiang Rai, Lampang, Phayao, Phrae, Nan, Uttaradit, Sukhothai, Phitsanulok, Kamphaeng Phet, Tak, Phichit)
I had this one as Thailand North before
Thailand East (Ubon Ritchathani, Ambat Charoen, Si Sa Ket, Yasothon, Surin, Roi Et, Mukdahan, Kalasin, Nakhon Phanom, Sukon Nakhon)
Udon Thani - Nakhon Rekhasina (Nong Khai, Udon Thani, Nong Bualan Phu, Loei, Khon Kuen, Maha Sarakham, Chaiyaphuri, Phetchuburi, Buri Ram, Nakhon Rekhasina)
These are in the North East region, although some districts from it may have gone to other seats now.
Bangkok (Krung Thep, Samat Prakhun, Samat Sakhon, Nakhon Pathom, Nonthaburi, Pathum Thani, Pra Nakhon Si Ayutthaya)
Thailand Central (Trat, Chanthaburi, Sa Kaeo, Rayong, Chon Buri, Chachoenggao, Prachin Buri, Nakhon Nayok, Saraburi, Lop Buri, Nakhon Sawan, Sing Buri, Ang THong, Uthai Thani, Suphan Buri, Kanchanaburi, Retchaburi)
Bends around the Bangkok constituency. Parts of the old NE added, parts of the old Central now in South
Thailand South (Narathiwat, Yala, Pattani, Song Khla, Satun, Phatthalung, Trang, Nakhon Si Thammarat, Krabi, Phang Nga, Phuket, Surat Thani, Ranong, Chumphon, Prachuap Kiri Khan, Phetchaburi)
Apologies to Opebo for all and any spelling errors.
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« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2004, 07:46:39 AM »

hoo boy...first I have to learn some HTML or something.  This is going to be a labor of love, but still a totally labor-intensive trudge through the atlases.  Geography Nut Man to the rescue!
That's exactly why I didn't do it.

Oh, and: the French won't object to getting fewer parliament seats as the Germans - they'll just want as many cabinet members. Smiley
But the Belgians would really be up in revolt for having fewer seats than the Dutch!
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« Reply #20 on: August 12, 2004, 05:28:47 AM »

Due north from you. Can't miss it really.
Oh, you mean his maps? No, not showing for me either.
The others are, though. Smiley
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« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2004, 12:40:33 PM »

Keep dreaming.
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Bush would have semi-decent poll results in Italy and over Eastern Europe, but Poland and Slovakia are the only countries where an actual win is possible.
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« Reply #22 on: June 06, 2008, 01:50:30 PM »

Wow. My old thread is back!
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« Reply #23 on: June 11, 2008, 11:12:11 AM »

I'll do the world with a hundred 67,000,000-member constituencies now.
How about 67 million 100-member constituencies?
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« Reply #24 on: May 13, 2012, 05:42:36 AM »

Is there some kind of law that dictates this thread must see activity every leap year?
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